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post #2371 of 3926
5/6/10 at 11:17pm
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Yes. But has OPPO ever denied anyone a warranty claim? Not that I am aware of.
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post #2372 of 3926
5/7/10 at 3:05am
I imagine this question has been posed many times, but I figured I'd post my situation/setup and get your opinions.

I am considering BDP-80 and BDP-83 for my aging theater setup, and am not sure whether the price jump to 83 is worth it for me.

I have a 61" Sony Grand Wega (1080i w/ no HDMI) Oppo's twitter rep said the video capability of the BDP-80 would be fine since i don't have 1080p.
Also have a Denon AVR-4800 5.1/7.1 receiver. (No HDMI)

I have about 1.5 TB of data on my Mac upstairs containing approximately 2000 CDs and maybe 50 movies/concert dvds.

Functionality-wise my order of importance is:
1) SACD/DVD-A playback
2) Digital Media playback (ripped CDs and DVDs)
3) Blu-Ray playback

Does it make sense to pay the extra money for the BDP-83 given my older system? Budgetary concerns are very important for the next year, but I loathe the idea of buying substandard equipment that may be outdated in the short term. I also intend to upgrade the TV in the next 12-18 months to a 1080p set in the 30-40" range, and I don't want to regret getting the cheaper blu-ray unit at that point.

What do you guys think? I'm tempted to go with the BDP-80 and an external 2TB drive. I'm assuming that a USB Hard Drive is the only way to get this material into my Oppo, or can I stream it through ethernet/wifi from a shared folder on my network?

Also, I see a lot of posts about "SOURCE DIRECT" and HDMI. I intended to hook this up via Component Video to the Denon to the TV, and for the audio I intend to just wire each channel directly to the direct channel inputs on the back of the Denon (Not use Optical) Will "Source Direct" allow me to do that?

Thoughts? Concerns? Criticisms?

Thanks!
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post #2373 of 3926
5/7/10 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by Yo Scott View Post

I imagine this question has been posed many times, but I figured I'd post my situation/setup and get your opinions.

I am considering BDP-80 and BDP-83 for my aging theater setup, and am not sure whether the price jump to 83 is worth it for me.

I have a 61" Sony Grand Wega (1080i w/ no HDMI) Oppo's twitter rep said the video capability of the BDP-80 would be fine since i don't have 1080p.
Also have a Denon AVR-4800 5.1/7.1 receiver. (No HDMI)

I have about 1.5 TB of data on my Mac upstairs containing approximately 2000 CDs and maybe 50 movies/concert dvds.

Functionality-wise my order of importance is:
1) SACD/DVD-A playback
2) Digital Media playback (ripped CDs and DVDs)
3) Blu-Ray playback

Does it make sense to pay the extra money for the BDP-83 given my older system? Budgetary concerns are very important for the next year, but I loathe the idea of buying substandard equipment that may be outdated in the short term. I also intend to upgrade the TV in the next 12-18 months to a 1080p set in the 30-40" range, and I don't want to regret getting the cheaper blu-ray unit at that point.

What do you guys think? I'm tempted to go with the BDP-80 and an external 2TB drive. I'm assuming that a USB Hard Drive is the only way to get this material into my Oppo, or can I stream it through ethernet/wifi from a shared folder on my network?

Also, I see a lot of posts about "SOURCE DIRECT" and HDMI. I intended to hook this up via Component Video to the Denon to the TV, and for the audio I intend to just wire each channel directly to the direct channel inputs on the back of the Denon (Not use Optical) Will "Source Direct" allow me to do that?

Thoughts? Concerns? Criticisms?

Thanks!

Both players have about the same component video quality. After you switch to HDMI: Blu-ray performance will be very similar.

Source Direct does not apply component; Blu-ray 1080p24 is not a component video mode.

Media files: DLNA support is coming, but we don't have a date yet.

USB drive: yes, as long as it is formatted FAT (not NTFS). See Media Files for supported file types and codecs.

5.1/7.1: The BDP-83 has more expensive DACs. Whether it would matter to you I can't say. Obviously people can spend a lot of money chasing analog audio performance but there is no point in putting money into the player if it would be better spent on speakers or the receiver or room treatments, etc.

Unless the analog upgrade of the BDP-83 entices you, I would go with the BDP-80. If you expressed fanatical devotion to DVDs and a large projector screen, I would incline to the BDP-83.

-Bill
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post #2374 of 3926
5/7/10 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Media files: DLNA support is coming, but we don't have a date yet.

USB drive: yes, as long as it is formatted FAT (not NTFS). See Media Files for supported file types and codecs.

-Bill

Bill,

Thank you so much for responding so quickly! I took a look at your BDP-83 FAQ before and again after you just linked it in your response.

I'm fairly certain I'm going to settle for the BDP-80. I just want to ask a couple more questions before I pull the trigger. Are your Media formats listed on the BDP-83 FAQ the same for the BDP-80?

Also on the Oppo Wiki on this page: http://wiki.oppodigital.com/index.ph..._Streaming_FAQ it says there's experimental streaming functionality right now. After figuring out just what DLNA is, I'm not sure I really dig it. But does this not exist on the BDP-80 currently? I think ultimately, I am just going to have a central Media Hub (done in my format) in my office and back it up to an external drive which I'll keep attached to my Oppo.

Thanks again!
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post #2375 of 3926
5/7/10 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by Yo Scott View Post

I'm fairly certain I'm going to settle for the BDP-80. I just want to ask a couple more questions before I pull the trigger. Are your Media formats listed on the BDP-83 FAQ the same for the BDP-80?

Yes, media file support is identical.

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Also on the Oppo Wiki on this page: http://wiki.oppodigital.com/index.ph..._Streaming_FAQ it says there's experimental streaming functionality right now. After figuring out just what DLNA is, I'm not sure I really dig it. But does this not exist on the BDP-80 currently?

Currently, DLNA is "experimental and unsupported" on the BDP-83, but a lot of people are using it. We expect the same deal for the BDP-80 but can't say exactly when.

-Bill
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post #2376 of 3926
5/7/10 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Currently, DLNA is "experimental and unsupported" on the BDP-83, but a lot of people are using it. We expect the same deal for the BDP-80 but can't say exactly when.

Can't hardly wait for it.
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post #2377 of 3926
5/7/10 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

If you want stellar, then the top dog is the BDP-83SE.


Are you suggesting that the BDP-83SE is the "Scooby-Doo" of players?

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post #2378 of 3926
5/7/10 at 4:04pm
well (even) more good news re: the Oppo 80!

got my copy of MISS POTTER today-the Oppo plays it just fine.

not to get too far OT but there are a few conflicting things as to this disc.

it is indeed distributed by Icon films & is most likely an Australian import(indicated by the distributor's URL & mailing address).

on the packaging it's marked ABC(i.e. all-region), BD-25 single layer, AND "1080p High Definition".

on the disc itself there's a Region 4 PAL icon.

so...how is this BD authored? can't be sure-but the Oppo plays it, & it looks great!(skipped ahead to some chs. that featured the sublime scenery of the Lake Country district of the UK). if this BD is actually 1080i50 the Oppo does a flawless job of scan conversion & deinterlacing. that Mediatek is one hardworking chip!

more on the Oppo 80 proper:

fast loading(BD-Live OFF). TOMBSTONE loaded in about 1 min. 5 secs. MISS POTTER in about 48 secs.(close of tray to onscreen studio logo).

1080p DVD upconversion:

IMHO very, very nice. beautiful PQ of my DVD of GENTLEMAN JIM(B/W Errol Flynn vehicle). playing with the RESOLUTION button leads me to think the Oppo does a MUCH better job of scaling than my display.

next tests will be to get out some DVD-As & SACDs. for now it looks like the Oppo is the best purchase I've made this year!!!
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post #2379 of 3926
5/7/10 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by HDntheCity View Post

so...how is this BD authored? can't be sure-but the Oppo plays it, & it looks great!(skipped ahead to some chs. that featured the sublime scenery of the Lake Country district of the UK). if this BD is actually 1080i50 the Oppo does a flawless job of scan conversion & deinterlacing. that Mediatek is one hardworking chip!

When playing the main feature, bring up the On Screen Display. What does it say in the lower right corner?

-Bill
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post #2380 of 3926
5/7/10 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Yes, media file support is identical.



Currently, DLNA is "experimental and unsupported" on the BDP-83, but a lot of people are using it. We expect the same deal for the BDP-80 but can't say exactly when.

-Bill

Bill,

Thanks again for your help today. I pulled the trigger and got the BDP-80. Also going to place an order from Amazon to get a 2TB drive and a copy of Dire Straits Brothers in Arms on SACD. It was always my reference disc for testing car stereos, im looking forward to blowing my mind some time next week!

--Scott
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post #2381 of 3926
5/7/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

When playing the main feature, bring up the On Screen Display. What does it say in the lower right corner?

-Bill

will do! Thanx Bill.
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post #2382 of 3926
5/8/10 at 2:22pm
well Bill here's what it says:


AVC BDMV PAL 16:9

which I suppose confirms that this BD is 50Hz & therefore 1080i(as I seem to remember you said there are no 1080p50Hz BDs that you're aware of).

for us it means-no worries. the Oppo 80 & it's big brothers will play it & play it beautifully. and you don't need a 50Hz-compatible display.

BTW toggling between AUTO, 1080P, & 1080i produced no noticeable differences in PQ to my eyes.

among other things I noted the detail in the scene where Beatrix Potter first goes to Fredrick Warne(her eventual publisher) to, as we would say today, pitch her first book. you can clearly see the texture in the drawing paper as she packs her portfolio with the artwork for what became "Peter Rabbit".
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post #2383 of 3926
5/8/10 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by HDntheCity View Post

well Bill here's what it says:


AVC BDMV PAL 16:9

which I suppose confirms that this BD is 50Hz & therefore 1080i(as I seem to remember you said there are no 1080p50Hz BDs that you're aware of).

Correct. The OPPOs display "PAL" when detecting 50hz source on DVD or Blu-ray.

You should report this title to the 1080i50 list. It was definitely on film (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482546/technical).

-Bill
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post #2384 of 3926
5/8/10 at 7:42pm
I have access to a very expensive Sony Projector (SRX-R110) which, in some sort of bizarre joke, is not HDCP compliant

Does anyone know of or would be will to help work on a firmware hack for the BDP-80 that would be able to bypass the HDCP output much like the hack for the Oppo DV-970H
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post #2385 of 3926
5/8/10 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by jtmetcalfe View Post

I have access to a very expensive Sony Projector (SRX-R110) which, in some sort of bizarre joke, is not HDCP compliant

Does anyone know of or would be will to help work on a firmware hack for the BDP-80 that would be able to bypass the HDCP output much like the hack for the Oppo DV-970H

Yikes. 4096x2160 Pixels, $98,550 new, 4500Watts, 240V, out of production.

It would be easier to use the component output. 1080i for BR, 480p for CSS-protected DVD.

-Bill
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post #2386 of 3926
5/8/10 at 8:44pm
That's what you would think.

We have an issue with the component input on the projector, I think it has to do with the voltage range of the connectors

For scenes in which there is a large change in color temperature (drastic cuts from white to black most recently noticed in the famous bone-to-spaceship transition scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey) there is a noticeable "clipping" or "stutter" on the projector, almost like the picture distortion when unplugging/replugging a digital video connector

We haven't been able to fix this problem either, which is unfortunate because any picture (even sd dvd content) looks absolutely beautiful on the sony, we are just trying to solve these last few issues so that it can run perfectly
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post #2387 of 3926
5/8/10 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by jtmetcalfe View Post

I have access to a very expensive Sony Projector (SRX-R110) which, in some sort of bizarre joke, is not HDCP compliant

Does anyone know of or would be will to help work on a firmware hack for the BDP-80 that would be able to bypass the HDCP output much like the hack for the Oppo DV-970H

http://www.hdfury.com/
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post #2388 of 3926
5/9/10 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by jtmetcalfe View Post

That's what you would think.

We have an issue with the component input on the projector, I think it has to do with the voltage range of the connectors

For scenes in which there is a large change in color temperature (drastic cuts from white to black most recently noticed in the famous bone-to-spaceship transition scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey) there is a noticeable "clipping" or "stutter" on the projector, almost like the picture distortion when unplugging/replugging a digital video connector

We haven't been able to fix this problem either, which is unfortunate because any picture (even sd dvd content) looks absolutely beautiful on the sony, we are just trying to solve these last few issues so that it can run perfectly

You might try the ultra-high end forum here. Googling shows that Sony was expected to release a board with HDCP for this pj; don't know if it ever happened.

-Bill
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post #2389 of 3926
5/9/10 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

hdfury

Right, HDFury seems great however i have only seen hdmi --> component converters, have they released an hdmi --> hdmi hdcp stripper that i am not aware of?
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post #2390 of 3926
5/9/10 at 10:16am
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Right, HDFury seems great however i have only seen hdmi --> component converters, have they released an hdmi --> hdmi hdcp stripper that i am not aware of?

There are other hdcp strippers out there too.
Read the literature and info available on the HDF website,
and do some Googling for HDCP strippers.
You should be able to find something that works.
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post #2391 of 3926
5/9/10 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post

Correct. The OPPOs display "PAL" when detecting 50hz source on DVD or Blu-ray.

You should report this title to the 1080i50 list. It was definitely on film (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482546/technical).

-Bill


Done!!!

Thanx again for all the help Bill.
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post #2392 of 3926
5/9/10 at 12:01pm
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There are other hdcp strippers out there too.
Read the literature and info available on the HDF website,
and do some Googling for HDCP strippers.
You should be able to find something that works.

Thanks for the advice, I hope you know that I wouldn't have posted here without doing some preliminary research. Most of the HDCP strippers I found were somewhere around the 300-500$ range, does this sound about right or could there be a less expensive option that I have not come across?

Also, I have a basic understanding of electrical engineering, and I am assuming that the components in these boxes aren't anything special, does anyone have schematics for one of these devices?
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post #2393 of 3926
5/11/10 at 2:32am
I've been toying with the idea of this player but could someone please shed light on my ideal setup in reference to the following:

"The BDP-80 delivers an immersive surround experience. For users with a stereo sound system, the 7.1-channel analog output can be configured to down-mix the surround audio into stereo."

I want to get a Marantz SR4023 Stereo Receiver... is the down-mixing done internally on the machine itself or is there some other drastic means I will need to seek in getting this done proper for my stereo setup?

Please, any ideas, suggestions, thoughts, feedback... much appreciated.
I'm new to the whole Oppo brand but it appears to be nothing short of stellar.
(Originally I was going to go with the el'cheapo Vizio 100 blu-ray unit... for like $149, while the Oppo is double the price, I'm guessing
I'll get much better results with it.) Talk me out of the Vizio?
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post #2394 of 3926
5/11/10 at 4:08am
If I wanted to use the 80 for both movies and music and am currently using multi-channel outs for audio when watching movies, is it possible to use coaxial for CD audio? Will one be defaulted to? Or would I simply have to change the output settings on the menu?
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post #2395 of 3926
5/11/10 at 4:20am
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If I wanted to use the 80 for both movies and music and am currently using multi-channel outs for audio when watching movies, is it possible to use coaxial for CD audio? Will one be defaulted to? Or would I simply have to change the output settings on the menu?

All the audio outputs are active simultaneously, so you can do this without changing anything.

-Bill
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post #2396 of 3926
5/11/10 at 4:25am
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I want to get a Marantz SR4023 Stereo Receiver... is the down-mixing done internally on the machine itself or is there some other drastic means I will need to seek in getting this done proper for my stereo setup?

The player does it. You can see setup illustrations in the manual: http://download.oppodigital.com/BDP8...anual%20v6.pdf

-Bill
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post #2397 of 3926
5/11/10 at 7:14am
I had SACD mode set to PCM (not DSD) because as I understand it you lose the ability to control speaker distance and level/trim in DSD mode. (I'm using the 5.1 analog outputs for music, and I need this control for MCH discs.)

I read that one of the changes in the latest FW release had to do with SACD volume control. Does anyone know if the new FW now allows speaker distance/level control with SACD mode set to DSD?

Thanks.
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post #2398 of 3926
5/11/10 at 7:30am
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...I want to get a Marantz SR4023 Stereo Receiver....

How about we talk you into going for a multichannel AVR instead of just stereo??? Even if you only have stereo speakers now, the built-in features of the modern AVRs will give you superior sound quality, and have features such as Audyssey, HDMI connectivity and pass through to your panel. And yes, the Oppo will do what you want, and pass along all channels. A modern AVR will also down-mix all channels depending upon your settings for number of speakers.
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post #2399 of 3926
5/11/10 at 7:51am
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I had SACD mode set to PCM (not DSD) because as I understand it you lose the ability to control speaker distance and level/trim in DSD mode. (I'm using the 5.1 analog outputs for music, and I need this control for MCH discs.)

I read that one of the changes in the latest FW release had to do with SACD volume control. Does anyone know if the new FW now allows speaker distance/level control with SACD mode set to DSD?

Thanks.

The latest firmware was for the BDP-83, not the BDP-80.
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post #2400 of 3926
5/11/10 at 7:57am
Hey guys, sorry if this has been asked before and I couldn't find this in the thread when i searched........but here goes....

1) For wide screen projector use will the Oppo 80 matched with Denon's AVR-4810ci be a good match considering that 4810ci includes vertical stretch mode for anamorphic 2.40:1 widescreen projection?? I need to buy a BD player that can handle TV and projector (future) use.

2) Any new universal players that I need to look at or wait for with fast load time besides Oppo that's bang for the buck?

I know there are other manf selling non-univeral kind with streaming and that's not a big factor for me. Just want one that's good for the money that works perfectly well with my 4810ci and able to support wide screen projection if needed.

Appreciate any input......THANKS!
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