Official OPPO BDP-80 Owner's Thread - Page 114

Yes, see the manual section on Deep Color.

-Bill

I tried and mine "sticks" on 4:2:2 after a restart.

It's not just a matter of powering down correctly after making changes, is it? Why is the player not remembering my settings?

-Bill

Thanks rlb, but i noticed it was sticking actually after some restarts but after other restarts it would be outputting rgb again. If your just looking to see if ycbcr 4;2;2 is still selected that wont work. Mine has stayed on ycbcr 4;2;2 the entire time but after occasional restarts now (not every restart, it only happens sometimes) it will be outputting rgb, despite ycbcr 4:2;2 still being selected, i only know this because my flea and denon both confirm rgb.

Thanks for the link bill, just out curiosity what constitues an orderly shut down. I usually just hit power on the remote. Sometimes I hit stop then power.

Either should be fine. Some people kill power from an external switch, and settings changes will not be saved in that case.

-Bill

I tried three power on/offs. I confirmed actual output with the info input screen on my DVDO vp.

Im wondering if its not a sync issue, or the player.

It takes about 7 seconds to sync with all my devices. My denon is really slow. For the heck of it, I tried powering it on with the hdmi cable unplugged from the oppo, and noticed it defaulted to rgb.

I am wondering if its not picking up a signal quick enough and defaulting to rgb?

Either way according to oppo it should output ycbcr if thats what i have selected, which I do.

I am completely baffled.

On another note, I turned auto start off, and its off, off is selected even after reboot. But it still starts right away.

Now is this a hint the players not working properly, or am i missing what autostart means?

On previous players if auto start was off, you had to select the disc to begin playing.

Edit.

Well the problem appears to be originating from my yamaha rx-v661 or the denon. When those two are removed it works, thats why im wondering if its just defaulting to rgb if the connection takes to long to sync, but it syncs in 7 seconds.

No other component i own has this issue however. Ps3 and previous sony s360 never had this issue.

Pretty sure the issue is oppo reverts to rgb (even though ycbcr is still selected) if it takes to long to sync. My equipment takes 8 seconds to sync together a connection. To duplicate the issue, plugged directly into my display it works fine every time. However upon bootup connected directly to the display to reproduce it, i unhooked the hdmi cable for 8 seconds and plugged it back in. Sure enough it is at rgb.

Oppo probably wont help me, they said nobody else has reported this, but i doubt not many people have the equipment to test it or their hdmi connections are fast enough. The denon is slow on hdmi changing.


Connected as follows and results.

Oppo-flea-display=worked every time

Oppo-flea-avr-display=worked 3 quarters of the time

Oppo-flea-denon-avr-display=worked slightly less then half the time

Oppo-avr-display=Worked all the time

Oppo-denon-display=barely worked ever.

Their is no real sequence to why its outputting rgb instead other then taking to long to sync.

But other times i can have everything connected and it will work a few times in a row.

Tonight I will try complete factory reset.

This is unlikely. More likely that you have video processing in the chain that's deciding to convert the signal to RGB and the player is still outputting ycbcr.
Nobody has ever demonstrated the -80 outputting something other than what it's set for, so the best course is to assume it is doing just that. The speed of the HDMI handshaking has no bearing AFAIK if the player is set to output explicit ycbcr, because it's "forcing" that output. Your own testing seems to suggest the AVR or Denon as the source of the unwanted video processing.

No the denon is not doing any conversion. I have the scaler set to off so its purely acting as a switch.

Furthermore even with the denon out of the lineup, at times my flea+receiver would revert back to rgb.

Alone flea worked all the time and alone so did the receiver.

Together they output ycbcr 1/3rd times.

Thats why I am thinking its a sink issue.

Furthermore if the denon was set to on it still shows whats being input. But yes denon is set to off, and even not in the chain it outputs rgb. Although with it in the chain because hdmi handshaking is slow with the denon, it usually outputs ycbcr.

Im completely stunned.

Good news is oppo is now trying to replicate my issue, so now im happy thats all i can ask.

Its just so odd its completely random what it outputs.

Well i decided to put the oppo through my receiver first. It seemed to have corrected the issue.

Only problem is i cant use denon lip sync now, and my receiver only has one lip sync correction for all inputs which wont match up with everything.

Guess its time to buy a new avr.

Ah spoke to soon, its back to rgb today.

And oppo simply told me they cant replicate the issue thanks for asking.

Does not really help me out much.

Have you tried pursuing this in a forum devoted to your receiver or the flea? Your testing indicates problems there.

-Bill

Well I know the issue. It is a sync issue. If you boot it up and the bdp-80 is either not on correct inputs upon booting, or you have devices that take time to sync, it will default to output rgb if it does not detect an hdmi signal upon booting. I confirmed this by leaving my avr on tv input. I usually boot the player up first since it takes time to get to the title screen. Then I switch inputs over after about 14 seconds to the oppo.

The question is why does it do this and how does oppo not know it defaults to rgb? Customer rep keeps telling me i must have dvi cables connected or something.

No flea does not convert colorspace, and it works perfectly connected with the flea alone. ALso 2 other blu ray players in my setup i tested using exactly the same setup dont have this issue.

This is completely new to the oppo, i just tested my ps3 and s360 last night connected the same way.

My receiver does not do anything with hdmi video at all, it is completely passive.

I can duplicate the problem by not having correct inputs selected when the oppo boots.

Well finally got a response from oppo. At least they admitted the error. Ideally would be nice if its fixed but I was not expecting them to put more resources into a discontinued model, would not make much sense unless they are extremely good hearted or it would not be hard to fix. Im asking if the 83 has this issue or not just to confirm but it sounds like it does not. My plan is to purchase a new receiver though dont really want to be purchasing a new blue ray since my bdp-80 is 2 weeks old and i have an external vp, the 80 was perfect otherwise.

Per the following.


"We have confirmed the issue. The problem with our previous results was that we were
using a switcher between the player and our other devices. The reason this is
important to note is that the switcher always has active HDMI ports. Receiver
usually only activate the HDMI interface which is being accessed at the time.

For the BDP-80 the default output Color Space is RGB. The player will only switch to
a new Color Space when there is an active HDMI signal on the other end. When the
receiver is set to a different input, or the receiver changes input after the
allotted time to negotiate a active HDMI signal, the player remains locked into RGB
output (this is different from the logic of the BDP-83 or the BDP-83 as the Color
Space conversion is done internally by the ABT VRS and does not rely on active HDMI
sync).

Ideally the player should be negotiating the Color Space every time the HDMI signal
handshakes (such as when the HDMI connection is cut and restored or the assigned
input become active) but the player is not performing any additional Color Space
changes after the initial boot.

So for the BDP-80 the only way to obtain a proper Color Space from the player is to
use it with a device which always has an active HDMI signal (video processor, most
televisions), turn on the player after you have already switched active inputs on a
passive system (most receivers), or turn on and off the player once the inputs on
all the devices have been properly engaged.

We will log this Color Space error as a bug to our engineering group, but at this
time we do not know if they will address it nor when this will be addressed."

Frankly, I'm impressed that Oppo was that responsive to one complaint about an issue. That's more than 99% of the manufacturers would have provided.

Hey fellow owners....

I have a problem with network streaming of files. I seem to have a problem with mkv files, ( i have also tested others with mixed results) when i use something like tversity to stream a mkv file from my pc to the oppo, it stutters to all hell, like not watchable bad. If I hit pause, and leave it for 30 seconds, it will play fine for 2 or 3 seconds. No matter how long I leave it paused, this playable time-frame does not change.

I have tried connecting directly from pc to oppo, and via my network, 10/100 and nothing changes.

All these mkv files play fine on usb plugged directly into the oppo.

Anyone get their oppo working for streaming mkv files? Firmware is up to date, tried factory reset, nothing.

All cables are cat 5e.

in the program it says device (since I couldnt find a profile for the 80, only the 83)

when i select something to watch, i see the file under the streaming section

How do I ensure its not transcoding, and just streaming? my cpu usage etc is all very normal.

Go into "Settings", choose "Transcoder".
The very first line, make sure you choose to "Never Transcode".
Also, right next to the "When To Transcode" setting, there is a question mark with a circle around it. Drag your mouse pointer over it and within the popup window, it will explain what it is to transcode, etc.

Okay, I have those set proper. I just cannot figure it out. It stutters with everything I try and all the various servers I have tried. URG

I use Tversity too with a Windows Vista 32 system.
The only time that I have a problem with stuttering, is via wireless G and files that are 720p or higher. However, you cannot connect your computer directly to your OPPO player. It's set up to see a router, etc.

I would recommend that you make a list of your Tversity settings and either list them here, or PM me and I will compare them to mine.