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post #391 of 3926
1/25/10 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by Jon Spackman View Post

Careful, if the player is set for SOURCE DIRECT OUT and you play a 1080p24 blu ray it turns off component video (and likely composite, etc), but as long as AUTO is selected it keeps the component active....

Platitudes and caveats.

And AUTO isn't needed. As long as 24p is disabled and Source Direct is not used HDMI and component will coexist.
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post #392 of 3926
1/25/10 at 10:24pm
This was posted on another forum: http://www.avforums.com/forums/11377185-post44.html. Looks very similar to the new OPPO. I read somewhere that MSRP for Cambridge Audio BD player is $999 USD. Not as inflated as Lexicon, but still ...
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post #393 of 3926
1/25/10 at 11:26pm
For those of you seeking information beyond the general specs of the BDP-80...

I see many asking questions about the specific performance features of the player.
Surely, once we get some reports from buyers with hands on experience, there will be limited information in that regard.
However, in the meantime, there IS more information in the ->first post<- of this thread.
Our gracious host Neuromancer, has put together most known facts about the player thus far, and included there are links to reviews of the player from 2 individuals (gonk and winston) who have used the player for several months. The reviews can shed more light on some of your inquiries, and should be a good source for more information.


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post #394 of 3926
1/25/10 at 11:30pm
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Your Plea: Denied *insert a big red stamp with the letters DENIED horribly written on it as whittled by a single-toothed-old man from the deepest swamp of the American South*
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post #395 of 3926
1/25/10 at 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by Neuromancer View Post

Your Plea: Denied *insert a big red stamp with the letters DENIED horribly written on it as whittled by a single-toothed-old man from the deepest swamp of the American South*

Have you been etching Japanese expressionist art on your chest in the bathroom mirror,
and then drinking yourself into an oblivion to make the pain go away?... again?
You can get ink poisoning that way you know.
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post #396 of 3926
1/26/10 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by zagortenej View Post

This was posted on another forum: http://www.avforums.com/forums/11377185-post44.html. Looks very similar to the new OPPO. I read somewhere that MSRP for Cambridge Audio BD player is $999 USD. Not as inflated as Lexicon, but still ...

The Azur 650BD sells for $699 via Amazon and through various dealers. It was released for sale by Cambridge Audio last September 2009. Cambridge Audio (UK) and Oppo Digital (USA) models are based on parts from same manufacturer (Winbase Electronics/BBK). Cambridge models have always sold for more then Oppo models. Examples of earlier models: Cambridge Audio DVD89 is similar to Oppo 970HD, and the Cambridge Audio DVD99 is similar to Oppo 980.
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post #397 of 3926
1/26/10 at 1:05am
Ok, now I'm officially confused.. I was all set to order a BDP-83 and now I see that the BDP-80 is released... My processor doesn't have HDMI inputs, but it does have 7.1; and no, I'm keeping my Krell, so new processor is out of the question.

I will only use the Blu-Ray player for BR's as I already have a dedicated DVD-player which I feed to my DVDO video processor through SDI. I also have a dediated CD-player (Wadia) and no interest in SACD's (have way too many CD's to start collecting yet another format).

Here's what I'm thinking... since I'll only watch BR's on this player and I'll feed it to a video processor, I might just as well save a few $ and go with the BDP-80...

... or am I missing something? I feel confused...
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post #398 of 3926
1/26/10 at 1:26am
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Originally Posted by Audiojan View Post

Ok, now I'm officially confused.. I was all set to order a BDP-83 and now I see that the BDP-80 is released... My processor doesn't have HDMI inputs, but it does have 7.1; and no, I'm keeping my Krell, so new processor is out of the question.

I will only use the Blu-Ray player for BR's as I already have a dedicated DVD-player which I feed to my DVDO video processor through SDI. I also have a dediated CD-player (Wadia) and no interest in SACD's (have way too many CD's to start collecting yet another format).

Here's what I'm thinking... since I'll only watch BR's on this player and I'll feed it to a video processor, I might just as well save a few $ and go with the BDP-80...

... or am I missing something? I feel confused...

You are on so far, but you just have to realize that the analog output of the BDP-83 will be a bit better SQ than that of the BDP-80.
If your audio setup used HDMI, the the BDP-80 would be a slam dunk.
Then, if you want the very BEST audio for analog output, then you get the BDP-83SE.

Have fun pulling you hair out.
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post #399 of 3926
1/26/10 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by Audiojan View Post

Ok, now I'm officially confused.. I was all set to order a BDP-83 and now I see that the BDP-80 is released... My processor doesn't have HDMI inputs, but it does have 7.1; and no, I'm keeping my Krell, so new processor is out of the question.

I will only use the Blu-Ray player for BR's as I already have a dedicated DVD-player which I feed to my DVDO video processor through SDI. I also have a dediated CD-player (Wadia) and no interest in SACD's (have way too many CD's to start collecting yet another format).

Here's what I'm thinking... since I'll only watch BR's on this player and I'll feed it to a video processor, I might just as well save a few $ and go with the BDP-80...

... or am I missing something? I feel confused...

You have a Krell SSP, I assume you're concerned about analog audio performance. You'd probably want the BDP-83SE. The BDP-80 would suffice as well - both of them have better DACs than the 80.

The 83/SE edition have approximately a quarter of the total harmonic distortion compared to the BDP-80. The BDP-80 was pretty much meant for someone interested in running HDMI directly to their receiver.
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post #400 of 3926
1/26/10 at 2:48am
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Originally Posted by Audiojan View Post

Ok, now I'm officially confused.. I was all set to order a BDP-83 and now I see that the BDP-80 is released... My processor doesn't have HDMI inputs, but it does have 7.1; and no, I'm keeping my Krell, so new processor is out of the question.

I will only use the Blu-Ray player for BR's as I already have a dedicated DVD-player which I feed to my DVDO video processor through SDI. I also have a dediated CD-player (Wadia) and no interest in SACD's (have way too many CD's to start collecting yet another format).

Here's what I'm thinking... since I'll only watch BR's on this player and I'll feed it to a video processor, I might just as well save a few $ and go with the BDP-80...

... or am I missing something? I feel confused...

I have to agree with Smarty-pants and Stimby on their important points! If you are going for the multi-channel 7.1 analog outputs then the BDP-83SE is the one to get imho, as an owner of the Oppo BDP-83 and now the BDP-83SE I can tell you that the SE is very quiet with excellent dynamic range when compared to the BDP-83! If I were you I would keep the Krell and never let go, Krell is something I will never have the pleasure of owning! Years ago I still remember their six pack, 6 mono blocks with huge output power 100% no matter the volume, there price was $25,000! I kneel before Krell!

Regards,
Techlord.
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post #401 of 3926
1/26/10 at 4:31am
I would also agree that if you plan to use analog audio outputs and want the very best go with the BDPSE. If you don't want to spend the money for the SE the BD80 would be another option since you have a DVDO unit.
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post #402 of 3926
1/26/10 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by rwestley View Post

I would also agree that if you plan to use analog output and want the very best go with the BDPSE. If you don't want to spend the money for the SE the BD80 would be another option since you have a DVDO unit.

Wow that's four recommendations in a row, IMHO feeding that Krell a high quality analog signal is the best option!

Regards,
Tecnlord.
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post #403 of 3926
1/26/10 at 5:50am
I humbly suggest he could not tell the difference between the 83 and 80, sound quality-wise, if he didn't know which was which.
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post #404 of 3926
1/26/10 at 5:56am
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I've started noticing an odd trend with some reviews and websites commenting on the BDP-80. Many make comments like "this is a great player for those who will be using it as a video transport." Highdefdigest.com actualy makes this statement: "For the most part, the BDP-80 wasn’t meant to output directly to your TV." Statements like that make it sound like some are saying that this player can't cut it when compared to other standalone players unless you are using an external video processor. Don't comments like that actually sell this player short? If so, why make the comment at all? It makes me reconsider getting one when I keep see comments like this. Are people really saying that if you are not using it as a video transport, you mind as well get an LG or Sony because this can't cut it. If it is not true then I think people need to be more careful with there words.

rolltide1017,

Either they are not stating their comments completely or something is getting lost in the interpretation. They are speaking to the fact that the player has a “Source Direct” mode. This feature allows you to use the BDP-80 as strictly a transport to a dedicated video processor. So, this is actually a PLUS since this feature is not normally found on a sub $499.00 (MSRP) blu-ray player. I’m not sure if any other players below $499.00 (MSRP) offer this feature. This player will be just as competent as most other blu-ray players that do and don't offer a "Source Direct" mode.


Respectfully,
Willie
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post #405 of 3926
1/26/10 at 5:59am
OK, my air tanks are running low after wading and diving through the ocean of threads and posts. let me cheat and ask a quick question

I am simplifying my system (right now running non-hdmi prepro, outboard amps, separate integrated for 2-ch w/theater bypass), and plan to only need a good transport to feed source direct video and audio over HDMI to an ABT-equipped receiver with reasonable quality analog output. It seems there are very few players around anymore to do this. I thought about a Denon 2500 transport, but it appears even this doesn't do an automatic source direct.

With this limited preamble and probably admitted bias toward Oppo here in this thread, am I correct that it seems this new BDP-80 is the best solution? [Based on customer support, I would choose this over the Pio 320, which appears to be the closest(only?) competitor]

Thanks, and thanks for the review work and input of the beta testers.
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post #406 of 3926
1/26/10 at 6:07am
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Originally Posted by weissja22 View Post

Need help...83 or 80?

I have a 60" SXRD and an extensive standard def DVD collection - after doing some research it seems that the OPPO 83 would be appropriate for my system. However, one remaining technical question... I have a Pioneer Elite 21txh AVR that already has an Anchor Bay chip in it. Will the ABT chip in the 83 still provide significantly improved upconverting on my large screen compared to the 80?


weissja22,

I don't think the Pioneer Elite 21TXH has an Anchor Bay chip, but I could be wrong.


Respectfully,
Willie
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post #407 of 3926
1/26/10 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by TimB View Post

OK, my air tanks are running low after wading and diving through the ocean of threads and posts. let me cheat and ask a quick question

I am simplifying my system (right now running non-hdmi prepro, outboard amps, separate integrated for 2-ch w/theater bypass), and plan to only need a good transport to feed source direct video and audio over HDMI to an ABT-equipped receiver with reasonable quality analog output. It seems there are very few players around anymore to do this. I thought about a Denon 2500 transport, but it appears even this doesn't do an automatic source direct.

With this limited preamble and probably admitted bias toward Oppo here in this thread, am I correct that it seems this new BDP-80 is the best solution? [Based on customer support, I would choose this over the Pio 320, which appears to be the closest(only?) competitor]

Thanks, and thanks for the review work and input of the beta testers.

I would say that the scenario you describe is probably a great one for using the BDP-80. So, yes.
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

weissja22,

I don't think the Pioneer Elite 21TXH has an Anchor Bay chip, but I could be wrong.


Respectfully,
Willie

The 21THX does have an ABT chip. It has the ABT1015.
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post #408 of 3926
1/26/10 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by gonk View Post

I would say that the scenario you describe is probably a great one for using the BDP-80. So, yes.

The 21THX does have an ABT chip. It has the ABT1015.

Thank you and I stand corrected.
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post #409 of 3926
1/26/10 at 6:58am
When it comes to analog comparrison of the 80 and 83. The Oppo customer service said the 83 was better but the 80 was very good in itself. Just get the 83. Don't worry about it if it's going to bother you. My honest opinion is the bdp80 is enough of a machine for anyone. After speaking to customer service they pretty much told me the same. When it comes to bluray no matter what resolution they said quality was the same between both players and the ABT chip was not used for anything but SD viewing and they also said upconversion was still good on the 80 and you wouldn't start noticing any difference until after 46 inches and even then you'd be hard pressed to see the difference. When it comes to analog he said the 83 was a little better but the 80 was still very good. There's your comparrison right from the mouth of OPPO, make a decision lol
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post #410 of 3926
1/26/10 at 7:41am
Include me into wanting to read more about the audio playback with this player.

Did music listening hold its own as far as you testers were concerned and you would feel many would be happy with it? Or did it perhaps really surprise you for the buck?

Did you do any comparisons at all versus any other SACD/CD players? How about against some Pioneer BD players whereby reviews have been good about the audio section?

I have two Class A rated components for music so this player's abilities for that aren't of high priority to me. I'm not here to hold anyone to anything because we all know this is one of those areas that is so subjective. But there is very little info at this point about music playback and I'm sure most would be a bit interested in what your experiences have been. I know the 83 is the better dog but whatever you can offer would be appreciated.
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post #411 of 3926
1/26/10 at 7:43am
Request #2.

How about some of these reference BDs for AQ and the lossless track for both movies and concerts? Did the audio playback impress or at least hold its own with this player versus others in your experience?

Thanks again.
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post #412 of 3926
1/26/10 at 7:50am
Sorry for hogging but I'm catching up.

I'm a bit surprised some folks made do with the PS3 up till now. It had to go for me personally with BD playback when the Panny BD30 came out. No fan noise and bitstream capability!

Not that the PS3 isn't still utilized by many but I'm just surprised is all especially when the prices of other players came down.
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post #413 of 3926
1/26/10 at 7:58am
Will this player play DivX files? I see no reference to that format. And also will it display the subtitles contained in the MKV files?
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post #414 of 3926
1/26/10 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by Baikonur View Post

Will this player play DivX files?

Yes. Media file support is the same as for the BDP-83. See: Media Files.

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And also will it display the subtitles contained in the MKV files?

Yes.

-Bill
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post #415 of 3926
1/26/10 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by TimB View Post

OK, my air tanks are running low after wading and diving through the ocean of threads and posts. let me cheat and ask a quick question

I am simplifying my system (right now running non-hdmi prepro, outboard amps, separate integrated for 2-ch w/theater bypass), and plan to only need a good transport to feed source direct video and audio over HDMI to an ABT-equipped receiver with reasonable quality analog output. It seems there are very few players around anymore to do this. I thought about a Denon 2500 transport, but it appears even this doesn't do an automatic source direct.

With this limited preamble and probably admitted bias toward Oppo here in this thread, am I correct that it seems this new BDP-80 is the best solution? [Based on customer support, I would choose this over the Pio 320, which appears to be the closest(only?) competitor]

Thanks, and thanks for the review work and input of the beta testers.

The BDP-80 would be a good fit for you.
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post #416 of 3926
1/26/10 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by Robert George View Post

Wait a few days and I'll tell you.

I just got shipping notification on my order with 3-day shipping. I'll be comparing the BDP-80 to a PS3 Slim and a Toshiba HD-A35 top end HD DVD player for both Blu-ray (PS3) and SD DVD (PS3 and HD-A35). The display will be a Pioneer Elite PRO-FPJ1 (JVC RS2 clone) shooting a 106" diag. on a color corrected Dalite screen.

We'll see if "not recommeded" for larger screens means what I think it means.

Got mine as well and I also have 3-day shipping.

What are your expectations of this player if you don't mind me asking? I have a PS3 60GB that does SACD as well by the way.

After reading the thread up to that point and also reviews by folks that provided them, I ordered one afterwards having to admit mine are pretty high.
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post #417 of 3926
1/26/10 at 8:14am
I've been waiting for Blu-Ray for a long time and this is the unit/price point that finally got me to pull the trigger.

Our home system right now is fairly non-exotic:

Oppo DV-980H player (used for DVDs, SACD and DVD-A)
Denon AVR-2308 (AVR-888) Receiver w/HDMI (can't decode lossless audio, but will accept it as multi-channel PCM)
Panasonic 50PX75U (50" 720p plasma)
NHT Evolution M5 L-R-C speakers
NHT SuperZero surrounds
Outlaw LFM -1 Plus subwoofer
and I have a Denon DVM-745 changer that we keep my daughter's DVD in.

I'm more than happy with the upconverting of the DV-980H, so if the BDP-80 matches that and gives us Blu-Ray on top, it's a win. Our main viewing couch is 10-11 feet away from our 50" monitor, so I think we're good candidates for this. I was going to buck and purchase a BDP-83 this week and I just happened to stumble upon this thread, glad I did. Plus, with DV-980H's still bringing in good money on ebay, the upgrade isn't going to cost much at all. I love the fact that with one player and one HDMI connection, these Oppos let me enjoy all of my multi-channel SACDs, DVD-As, DVDs and now Blu-Ray. For under $300 (well, a little over w/shipping).

rp
-very excited to finally dive into the world of Blu-Ray.
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post #418 of 3926
1/26/10 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by rmplum View Post

I've been waiting for Blu-Ray for a long time and this is the unit/price point that finally got me to pull the trigger.

Our home system right now is fairly non-exotic:

Oppo DV-980H player (used for DVDs, SACD and DVD-A)
Denon AVR-2308 (AVR-888) Receiver w/HDMI (can't decode lossless audio, but will accept it as multi-channel PCM)
Panasonic 50PX75U (50" 720p plasma)
NHT Evolution M5 L-R-C speakers
NHT SuperZero surrounds
Outlaw LFM -1 Plus subwoofer
and I have a Denon DVM-745 changer that we keep my daughter's DVD in.

I'm more than happy with the upconverting of the DV-980H, so if the BDP-80 matches that and gives us Blu-Ray on top, it's a win. Our main viewing couch is 10-11 feet away from our 50" monitor, so I think we're good candidates for this. I was going to buck and purchase a BDP-83 this week and I just happened to stumble upon this thread, glad I did. Plus, with DV-980H's still bringing in good money on ebay, the upgrade isn't going to cost much at all. I love the fact that with one player and one HDMI connection, these Oppos let me enjoy all of my multi-channel SACDs, DVD-As, DVDs and now Blu-Ray. For under $300 (well, a little over w/shipping).

rp
-very excited to finally dive into the world of Blu-Ray.

I have to agree. I gave in and ordered mine as well. It should be here tomorrow. I guess it is time to change my rental habits now to make sure they are blu-ray.
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post #419 of 3926
1/26/10 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by rmplum View Post

I've been waiting for Blu-Ray for a long time and this is the unit/price point that finally got me to pull the trigger.

Our home system right now is fairly non-exotic:

Oppo DV-980H player (used for DVDs, SACD and DVD-A)
Denon AVR-2308 (AVR-888) Receiver w/HDMI (can't decode lossless audio, but will accept it as multi-channel PCM)
Panasonic 50PX75U (50" 720p plasma)
NHT Evolution M5 L-R-C speakers
NHT SuperZero surrounds
Outlaw LFM -1 Plus subwoofer
and I have a Denon DVM-745 changer that we keep my daughter's DVD in.

I'm more than happy with the upconverting of the DV-980H, so if the BDP-80 matches that and gives us Blu-Ray on top, it's a win. Our main viewing couch is 10-11 feet away from our 50" monitor, so I think we're good candidates for this. I was going to buck and purchase a BDP-83 this week and I just happened to stumble upon this thread, glad I did. Plus, with DV-980H's still bringing in good money on ebay, the upgrade isn't going to cost much at all. I love the fact that with one player and one HDMI connection, these Oppos let me enjoy all of my multi-channel SACDs, DVD-As, DVDs and now Blu-Ray. For under $300 (well, a little over w/shipping).

rp
-very excited to finally dive into the world of Blu-Ray.

Sounds like the BDP-80 is a perfect fit for you. I think you will really enjoy the bump that Blu-Ray gives in the audio and video department. Please come back and post your thoughts after you watch your first Blu-Ray. I also recommend reading the BD software subforum and looking through the various PQ/AQ threads that will give you the best demo of BD material.
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post #420 of 3926
1/26/10 at 8:25am
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

rolltide1017,

Either they are not stating their comments completely or something is getting lost in the interpretation. They are speaking to the fact that the player has a Source Direct mode. This feature allows you to use the BDP-80 as strictly a transport to a dedicated video processor. So, this is actually a PLUS since this feature is not normally found on a sub $499.00 (MSRP) blu-ray player. I'm not sure if any other players below $499.00 (MSRP) offer this feature. This player will be just as competent as most other blu-ray players that do and don't offer a "Source Direct" mode.


Respectfully,
Willie

This is a great point.
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