Official OPPO BDP-80 Owner's Thread - Page 131

Does the BDP-80 support playback of DVD-Video file structures? I converted a bunch of HD DVDs to BD-Rs a while back, and for flipper HD DVDs with the extras on the DVD side, I'd make a data BD-R with a Blu-ray video structure folder for the main movie and a DVD-Video structure folder for the extras.

The BDP-80 seems to play the BD-video structure fine, but I can only get it to play the individual vob files in the DVD-Video structure. I could've sworn it worked before, menus and everything.

I believe I'm on the most recent firmware, will have to double-check later.

Only VOB files are supported, not DVD-V folders.

Cheers, both. That makes sense. I'll try a smaller, slower stick.

Thanks. Seems strange that Blu-ray file structures are supported but not DVD. Ah well, I guess it won't be too much of a hassle to re-encode the DVD structures as Blu-ray using MultiAVCHD.

I tried to play Snow White and the Huntsman bluray and it wouldn't play. I have the most recent firmware(march) and I switched bd-live on and off(never use it), and cleared persistent storage. Any ideas? I remember this happening a long time ago with a new disc and one of these things worked, but not this time. It plays other discs fine.

I sent this to Oppo CS and below are their replies:


Perform an Erase BD-Video Data (Device Setup->Persistent Storage) and ensure that you are selecting OK and not the default of CANCEL.

Ensure that the Total Used and the Total Remaining are the same in the grayed out section of Persistent Storage.

Turn off the player then turn it back on.

Try playing your Blu-ray title again. It should now load properly and you can playback the main feature.

The above didn't work, so I emailed them again and here is their reply

How long are you letting the disc load for? Allow up to 8 minutes for the film to load as depending on the complexity of the BD-JAVA, it can take several minutes for the disc to load.


I tried the 8 minute thing and, oddly enough, after about 2 minutes the disc and movie started. So, I really have no idea what the fix was, but now it's working Who knows??!!!! Just thought I'd post my experience in case anyone else runs into this.

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I watched the same movie last week rented from Netflix without incident. I also have the latest firmware and BD-Live disabled.

Perhaps just a bad disc?

There are more than a few recent BD releases which use BD-Live to download trailers before the menu plays. This can make for extremely slow load times even when BD-Live is disabled.
There are also often significant differences between rental versions and retail versions, especially Universal titles like that one.

I have 100's of ripped backups of my blu-rays in folder structure and was wondering if the oppo 80 could play these perhaps from a external USB drive?

No, neither the BDP-80 nor -83 will do that.

BDMV folders are supported on the -93 and -103.

-Bill

Don't the 80 and 83 players support AVCHD folders with BDMV inside? My memory is hazy on this one.

You're right, they do. I'd forgotten about that.

I would test a BDMV/ folder alone and if that did not work, try placing it inside an AVCHD/ folder. I recall it usually worked.

It that fails, there are free utilities that will author a new AVCHD/ folder from BDMV input; I think tsMuxer does.

-Bill

Thanks guys, I will experiment this weekend.

Hi all,

Can someone please confirm that my understanding is correct on HDCD decoding:

1) The BDP-80 (and possibly other BDP models) still do not output decoded HDCD data via HDMI bitstream.
2) If I enable HDCD decoding on the Oppo, I do not use HDMI at all, I do use coax/optical, and I set coax/optical to PCM; then, the Oppo will properly decode HDCD and send 44.1/20 PCM data to my processor.

Thanks!

W

Almost entirely wrong. But not to worry as this stuff is confusing.

The BDP-80 *WILL* pass HDCD info in either HDMI or Optical/Coax digital audio for decoding in an AVR that knows how to decode HDCD itself.

If you have an AVR that decodes HDCD, and you use it with digital audio from the 80, then you should leave HDCD decoding turned OFF in the 80. That's because the result of decoding the HDCD matrix leaves enough remnants of the original HDCD in the digital output stream that the decoder in your AVR will get confused into thinking it needs to turn its OWN decoding on. And so the AVR will repeatedly switch in and out of HDCD decoding mode -- which results in audible glitches each time the switch happens.

TECHNICAL NOTE: This is simply an artifact of the design of HDCD. HDCD was invented before digital audio output from home theater players. The assumption was that any HDCD-decoding player would be used with ANALOG audio output, and so the remnants of HDCD still in the digital audio stream after the decode were irrelevant.

If you are sending digital audio to an AVR that does NOT decode HDCD itself, then you can safely turn on decoding in the 80.

To turn on HDCD decoding in the 80 you need to do two things. Set HDCD Decoding ON and set HDMI Audio LPCM. The Optical/Coax setting does not matter.

The result of decoding HDCD is 2.0 LPCM 44.1KHz 20-bit. That is packed into 24 bits for output (with padding zeroes). So the digital output on HDMI or Optical/Coax is 2.0 LPCM 44.1KHz 24-bit.

With HDCD Decoding OFF (or HDMI Audio Bitstream) the output is 2.0 LPCM 44.1KHz 16-bit -- with the HDCD matrix data intact for use by a decoding AVR, or to be ignored by an AVR that plays this as traditional, "CD compatible" digital audio.
--Bob

Ha! That's the best thing I've read all day.


My processor does not decode HDCD. If I'm using BDP-80 as a simple CD/HDCD transport, and connecting to a processor without HDMI, are you saying the Oppo also sends the decoded LPCM 44.1/24 output via optical/coax? Or is HDMI/LPCM is the only way to output decoded HDCD to a non-decoding processor? I just don't want to be almost entirely wrong again.

Thanks for all your clarifications.

W

^ Yes it sends the decoded result on Optical/Coax as well. It will be 2.0 LPCM regardless of whether you have selected LPCM or Bitstream for Optical/Coax. Even though you are not using HDMI, you still need to set HDMI Audio to either LPCM or OFF to get HDCD Decoding to engage. (Along with HDCD Decoding ON.)

There's a simple trick to tell that HDCD Decoding is actually functioning. For *MOST* HDCD discs, when you enable decoding the volume will drop -6dB to allow the headroom for the extra dynamic range (which is what HDCD is all about). This is enough that you can easily hear it by ear alone.

So play a selection of HDCD discs via Optical and compare HDCD Decoding ON/OFF to confirm the decoding is happening. (Remember to do the HDMI Audio setting as well if it appears not to be working.)
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 1/14/13 at 1:25pm

^ Thanks again!

W

I've got a bit of a nasty problem upgrading my BDP80's firmware.

When I insert a new firmware media into the player, it doesn't recognize it at all and simply ignores it. Forcing a firmware upgrade through the Setup menu only results in the OPPO rejecting the media, saying it doesn't contain a valid firmware file.

I've tried USB (stick blank formatted as FAT32) and a freshly burnt CD-ROM, neither of which worked. Network upgrade reports it couldn't find the server, while the player's internet connection is verified to be working.

Possibly it's due to the different language of the original firmware -- when I reset the player to its factory defaults, the software is in Chinese.

My current firmware version is BDP80C-02-1230 and I suspect the 'C' suffix means it's the Chinese version.

Is there any way to either upgrade the player with a newer version of the Chinese firmware or force it to accept a new US/EU firmware? Any searches for the Chinese firmware lead to websites that are, obviously, written in Chinese, which I can't read.
Edited by Stoney3K - 1/15/13 at 10:40am

You better off dropping an e-mail to Oppo Tech Service asking for advice though, and they'll take care of your problem pretty fast

Well that's a cool problem! Where did you get a Chinese firmware player to start with?

Typically, localized firmware versions come from the master distributor in each part of the world. OPPO Digital in the US posts firmware for the North American models. OPPO UK in Europe posts firmware for the European models.

And yes, each player is set to only accept the matching, localized firmware. So typically, you would get firmware updates from the folks who distributed the player in the first place. But the Network Update in the player should already know to go to the correct Internet address to find the matching updates.

OPPO Digital can likely point you to where you can get the "C" firmware. Since you don't speak Chinese, ask them for the actual download link (e.g., for USB stick install) so you can just download and use it.

I'm assuming of course that you didn't get your hands on some sort of unofficial firmware. If that's the case, you may need to send the player in for service so OPPO can reset it to have official firmware.
--Bob

If I want to simultaneously enable HDMI video/audio to the main zone and downmixed two channel analog stero to zone 2, is it better or even doable to use straight FL/FR analog outputs, or to use the optical output with the optical set to 2 channel downmix and then an optical to analog converter? I don't want to have to change settings in the Oppo between these two uses.

Not enough information.
We'd need to know what you're connected to, and how it handles analog inputs. Some AVRs only allow stereo analog inputs to be used for zone 2. In general I'd suggest using the stereo analog output to zone-2 on your AVR. SPDIF is going to output multichannel audio from the player.

In any case there's no need to change any settings in the plyer since all outputs are active all the time, and the downmix settings ONLY impact the analog out.

I have a Denon 2310 which only supports analog to zone 2. HDMI is used to connect the main zone to the Denon (1.3).
In the manual, it talks about downmix settings for the optical out but not for analog (or I missed it). If I can set downmix to 2 channel, which applies to analog and optical, while HDMI will remain untouched, and given that all outputs are active, then it sounds like I should be fine either way.

If you set the Optical/Coax to use LPCM their output will be stereo (a down-mix if playing multi-channel content). Only Bitstream output can be multi-channel on those.

Meanwhile, the Down Mix setting in Speaker Configuration menu lets you set Stereo for the multi-channel Analog outputs. (Pick "Stereo" for normal, 2-speaker playback. Pick "LT/RT" if sending that 2-channel output to a Receiver that will be used with something like Dolby Pro-Logic to raise that 2-channel input to more than 2 speakers output.)

Neither of those settings has any effect on HDMI audio output.
--Bob