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post #31 of 1397
It sounds to me like the 'best of both worlds' would be Whedon handling the main direction, and then hiring Cameron/Scott/Mann/etc. into the 2nd director spot handling the action. It'd be like a 'The Avengers: Hollywood Directors' edition
post #32 of 1397
Here's a another worthy list BIG action epic directors more capable than Whedon:

Wachowski bros, steven spielberg, zhang zimou, robert zemekis, peter jackson,

HONORABLE mentions: Jan Debont, renny harlin, john Mctiernan, Rob Cohan, michael mann, oliver stone
post #33 of 1397
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Secondly, the ensemble in serenity are individual human characters not big bad ass super heroes ok theres a difference. Nancy Meyers can handle ensemble doesn't mean she can direct superhero action. When I watched serenity it felt like I was watching more a tv show than a film. It didn't have that epic or big production. Even the campy Starship Troopers you feel encapsulated in a big sci fi action film...that's the kind of epic production treatmen the Avengers need.

Considering the source material came from a TV show (one of the best ever made, IMO), I thought Joss did a great job with 'Serenity'. The characters were already well developed and their personalities well know to most of the audience. That may have made it feel less "epic". But taken on it's own, that's still a jam-up movie. Whedon will do a great job with this one; you'll see. The guy loves comics, knows the genre, and understands how to put an entertaining movie together. He'll be fine.
post #34 of 1397
Bay can make things go boom real nice. Believable plotlines and characters you can care about, not so much.I guess its just a matter of what you rather watch.
post #35 of 1397
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

All the directors I mentioned are proven big action directors that can handle big sets, big production, for big ass super heroes with big action and epic fighting sequeneces ok joshy baby do you get it mr know it all? BIG-BIG-BIG...big!

Secondly, the ensemble in serenity are individual human characters not big bad ass super heroes ok theres a difference. Nancy Meyers can handle ensemble doesn't mean she can direct superhero action. When I watched serenity it felt like I was watching more a tv show than a film. It didn't have that epic or big production. Even the campy Starship Troopers you feel encapsulated in a big sci fi action film...that's the kind of epic production treatmen the Avengers need.

How do you know that Whedon can't do a big action movie until he tries one? By your logic, there was absolutely no way that Doug Liman could have made a good action movie after Swingers and Go. Except that, you know, he did.

Now I remember why you used to be on my Ignore List. Welcome back to it, zoey baby.
post #36 of 1397
Surprised by the Whedon debate. Who has confidence in JW for "Avengers," and who thinks he's a poor choice?

1 vote for confident
post #37 of 1397
I'm optimistic, with reservations.
post #38 of 1397
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

So, first your complaint was that he didn't have enough experience directing mega-budget huge action movies. And now your complaint is that the people who direct mega-budget huge action movies should just automatically know how to do it at birth?

Whether you liked Serenity or not, the fact is that it was a movie with a significant amount of VFX and a storyline with a large ensemble cast. That's pretty much exactly what's called for here. None of the other Directors you cite are known for their ensemble work.



I hate to burst your bubble, but in movies like this, the action scenes are usually coordinated by 2nd Unit Directors who specialize in doing action. In some cases, the official lead Director may not even be around while the action scenes are being shot. He'll sign off on the 2nd Unit's work, but will mostly focus on the dialogue scenes and plotting. As far as the action scenes go, the most important thing that the Director has to do is make sure that he hires the right 2nd Unit team.

With the type of budget that The Avengers will have, I'm sure that Whedon will have no problem surrounding himself with the best people available.

And like I said earlier, he penned one of the best X-men runs in recent history. While not perfect, the man knows how to make an ensemble cast work. I honestly think he is perfectly suited for this type of film and right now I trust him more than Branahammer and Mighty Joe with their solo Avenger films.
post #39 of 1397
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I dont understand how anyone really could doubt him.. he's an extremely proficient writer, an above average director, and a huge fan of the source material. He also has a lot of respect from AND for the fanbase. He hasn't really been involved with anything subpar yet either.
post #40 of 1397
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I dont understand how anyone really could doubt him.. he's an extremely proficient writer, a above average director, and a huge fan of the source material. He also has a lot of respect from AND for the fanbase. He hasn't really been involved with anything subpar yet either.

Not to mention a lot of his one liners and ideas managed to make into a certain X men film everyone loves...
post #41 of 1397
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I dont understand how anyone really could doubt him.. he's an extremely proficient writer, an above average director, and a huge fan of the source material. He also has a lot of respect from AND for the fanbase. He hasn't really been involved with anything subpar yet either.

Alien 4 anyone? To clarify, I am a big fan of Whedon.
post #42 of 1397
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Alien 4 anyone? To clarify, I am a big fan of Whedon.

Joss has said he cried the first time he saw what had been done to his script at a screening.
post #43 of 1397
I had no idea Whedon was involved with that Alien Resurrection movie. It was bad, but did have one powerful scene (where Ripley saw the failed experiments).
post #44 of 1397
Whedon's ALIEN script was sh*t. Read three drafts of it, including the one with the character they wanted Chow Yun-Fat to play: A carbon copy of his character in the John Woo film, A BETTER TOMORROW, right now down long coat and matchstick in his mouth.

The final film was also sh*t.
post #45 of 1397
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He said this year that the coolest item he's ever received out of pure fandom was an actual Alien egg... but that the had to bury the franchise to get it lol.
post #46 of 1397
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Originally Posted by lwright84 View Post

He said this year that the coolest item he's ever received out of pure fandom was an actual Alien egg... but that the had to bury the franchise to get it lol.

I've been trying to remember that quote! Thanks.
post #47 of 1397
It's official. The "Avengers" started filming today. Story here:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=76814
post #48 of 1397
There is still only one Avengers for me and the characters include John Steed and Mrs. Peel....
post #49 of 1397
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There is still only one Avengers for me and the characters include John Steed and Mrs. Peel...

Yup - how many prepubescent boomer boys had Diana Rigg as their idol!
post #50 of 1397
I was in my early 20s and Diana Rigg was hot, hot, hot!
post #51 of 1397
My first star crush. Diana Rigg turns 73 this July. I just dated myself. Ouch!
post #52 of 1397
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I was in my early 20s and Diana Rigg was hot, hot, hot!

Iconic in that leather jumpsuit...I'm trying to remember, was she the first attractive, fashionable female to unashamedly kick butt? Sorta paved the way for Buffy...hmmm, maybe Joss is making the wrong movie. A reboot of THIS Avengers would seem to be right up his alley.
post #53 of 1397
Mmm. Mrs. Peel
post #54 of 1397
Thanks for the pic, adk. If anyone wants me, I'll be in my bunk.
post #55 of 1397
I wanna be that snake and wrap my self.............
post #56 of 1397
Am I the only one around here who is left cold by the very concept of Avengers-type movies?

I like the texture, depth and individuality you get with individual Super Hero stories.
Throwing a whole bunch of them together is this "more is better!" type mentality that so often is the death of taste. It's like those advertisements that yell "Now DOUBLE the amount of raisins in your cereal!" "Cookies now more fully packed with chocolate chips!"...with no hint of the fact that cooking and food is about balancing ingredients for the best experience. Simply shoving "more and more" of one ingredient into a cookie doesn't make it better; it often throws off the balance of the ingredients and makes it more monotonous or off-putting. The appeal to gluttony to offer "more" too often undermines the whole experience.

Same with these "more superhero the better" ideas for movies. It's more likely to produce watered down experiences of each character than a more compelling experience. And there just seems to be no reason for many of these characters to even BE in the same movie/story...except to find a way to shove them together. (The whole Alien vs Predator thing hits me the same way: "You like Alien? You like Predator? Here's a movie where we have BOTH and MAKE THEM FIGHT!" It's the movie version of a kid in a sandbox clashing action figures together. It actually makes both of them suck).

The other thing that has pissed me off about The Avengers is how it's infected other damned SH movies, especially Iron Man 2. There were just gratuitous, non-essential cameos and set-ups shoved into that movie to set up the Avengers, which ultimately
diffused the dramatic focus of the movie. Enough with the Avengers already!

(All that said, maybe the Avengers will be a decent flick. But the general concept and issues surrounding it are somewhat off-putting for reasons above).

Am I just a lone voice in the wilderness here?

Hold me...I'm cold...
post #57 of 1397
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Throwing a whole bunch of them together is this "more is better!" type mentality that so often is the death of taste.

...such as League of Extraordinary Gentlemen? How about "Batman and Robin"

As for food, today it's all about loading everything with pepper and calling it "zesty".
post #58 of 1397
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Am I the only one around here who is left cold by the very concept of Avengers-type movies?

Yes, you are the only one. The Avengers have been around as a concept since the 60s and this is not simply throwing the popular super heroes together as cash grab. The interplay between Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man has come to be known as "Marvel's Holy Trinity" for a reason.
post #59 of 1397
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Originally Posted by NoThru22 View Post

Yes, you are the only one. The Avengers have been around as a concept since the 60s and this is not simply throwing the popular super heroes together as cash grab. The interplay between Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man has come to be known as "Marvel's Holy Trinity" for a reason.

Yeah, I know. I was an avid comic collector, Marvel in particular, for decades.
The Avengers was one of the few Marvel comics that left me utterly cold, for the same reasons.

Following the success of Spiderman/X-men, the flood of getting every comic book hero into a movie are "cash grabs." The Avengers, if anything, especially.

I'm certainly not alone, I know, in observing that the set up for the Avengers movie left elements of Iron Man 2 feeling disjointed, bloated and gratuitous. That was a pretty common criticism of the film.
post #60 of 1397
The real question about The Avengers is how much of the screen Robert Downey's ego will occupy?
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