Originally Posted by ngarn
You objective types are the ones constantly asking for data I am just asking you to produce it.
Just a very small list
Experiment in Listening:http://www.axiomaudio.com/distortion.html#
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Originally Posted by ngarn
Some say they can distinguish... Otherwise this discussion wouldn't be constantly occurring.
And, just because 'some say they can' you accept that on face value? How do you account for human bias, for instance?
Why is DBT the gold standard when humans are the measuring probes? It is if you don't believe it.
Why is it people hear differences when the same component is presented twice but their biases are controlled for, like under DBT? Please don't insinuate that the DBT is flawed and cannot be used for such testing; your credibility is on the line.
I wonder if in testing eyes, what would happen if you present the same corrective lens multiple times, unknown to the subject, if they would pick one over the other?