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post #31 of 73
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Originally Posted by Smoof017 View Post

I agree, but like I said, the places here to check stuff out with a corresponding US spec model are limited...unless you want to buy the $4k receivers...which I don't.

Reliability and customer satisfaction are important also...it isn't about what is popular.

im think headed but i think im getting it.

do you have speakers?

just thought of something you may want to look into as i dont know how it works. updating firmware in a U.S. unit from Germany.
post #32 of 73
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Originally Posted by googlegod View Post

Denon a favorite , you must be kidding, denons factory is outputting buggy firmware AVRs at a alarming rate, This wouldn't be to bad if the user could easly update the firmware. These units must be shipped back to a service center at the buyers expense, even if its still under warranty. I've been a fan of denon hardware for sometime now, but things have changed and its time to re-evaluate denons products as new customer satisfaction must be falling like a rock. A service port or CD driven firmware update system would ease my fear of getting a lemon right out of the box. Denon needs a wake-up-call.
xx09 /xx9 and now the new xx10 / xx0 AVR units

I'd say everything about Denon is suspect right now. Denon is the last company I'd buy from, well second to last. But I've been hearing bad things regarding their quality from my dealer buddies for years now...
post #33 of 73
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Originally Posted by Smoof017 View Post

Thanks for taking the time to comment...but really I don't think it was very constructive. If I thought the best way, or even if you thought the best way, to find out information on all this was to go listen to an audition...then why come here at all? Rhetorical question...I don't want any sh** slinging to start.

This is a repository of people and information with a lot to offer. I don't consider this poll a metric by which I will buy a receiver. I am interested in who actually likes what they bought...and like I said, hopefully someone else will be too.

But enough said, I am in Germany...can't demo the typical models that I would prefer to buy from the US (since its not in Euro) and therefore need to rely disproportionately on experiences of others. Anecdotal reading from 100,000 different posts is probably the most chaotic way I could go about learning that...

I come here to share information when I can and learn about different aspects of A/V equiptment. I shared my opinion that only "YOU" can determine what "YOU" like. If you think it is not constructive then thats "YOUR" opinion. Good luck with your purchase.
post #34 of 73
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Originally Posted by MarkSmith View Post

I come here to share information when I can and learn about different aspects of A/V equiptment. I shared my opinion that only "YOU" can determine what "YOU" like. If you think it is not constructive then thats "YOUR" opinion. Good luck with your purchase.

...Thanks...??
post #35 of 73
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter View Post

im think headed but i think im getting it.

do you have speakers?

just thought of something you may want to look into as i dont know how it works. updating firmware in a U.S. unit from Germany.

I have some Kenwood 3 way towers that aren't that great...had em for a few years...but I thought it was time to get a "matched" system...so I ordered some Pinnacle MB8000, seems cheap, but I liked the smaller company kind of idea and I figure they can't be that much worse than the classic 5's that I see recommended frequently. If they suck then I will probably just go the SVS route.
post #36 of 73
Anthem, or any other separates, do not belong on a list of receivers.

That said, you need to add Sherwood and Sherwood Newcastle, Sunfire, Lexicon and Outlaw, who do make receivers.
post #37 of 73
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dsmith901 View Post

Anthem, or any other separates, do not belong on a list of receivers.

That said, you need to add Sherwood and Sherwood Newcastle, Lexicon and Outlaw, who do make receivers.

Thanks...yeah somebody else pointed that out...but they also made a good point that some people will use their "receivers" as a separate anyways...

Are those you listed bought frequently enough to break the 1% margin...and do they have feature sets that can compete (at a generally similar price point) with the more common names?
post #38 of 73
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Originally Posted by ICBM99 View Post

Without bashing the OPs thread, I voted H/K. That's the only real AVR I've ever owned, other than a cheap Sony HTiB, and a Technics Stereo integrated amp.

I am thinking about replacing it though, I've been looking at Pioneer.

Which HK do you have?
post #39 of 73
I really don't see what is the point in having this poll. How many of us have more than one receiver? Secondly, how many of us auditioned multiple receivers in person prior to making our purchases?

I may love my components, but that does not indicate whether they are good nor how they compare to competitive products.

I'd prefer to hear from dealers and HT installers who sell &/or install products from numerous companies.

Just my 2 cents (Cdn.)

R
post #40 of 73
I've got a H/K AVR 445, its a few years old. Only does HDMI switching (no audio, no video processing), I love the way it sounds, its built like a tank, but I want something with full HDMI capabilities. I'm not looking at H/K because of all the issues they had with the X54 series, and I don't like the looks of the newer models really.
post #41 of 73
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Originally Posted by robertazimmerman View Post

I really don't see what is the point in having this poll. How many of us have more than one receiver? Secondly, how many of us auditioned multiple receivers in person prior to making our purchases?

I may love my components, but that does not indicate whether they are good nor how they compare to competitive products.

I'd prefer to hear from dealers and HT installers who sell &/or install products from numerous companies.

Just my 2 cents (Cdn.)

R

You don't have to have more than 1 receiver...but I suspect many people here have had more than one.

All things being equal, if people are buying more of the comparable receivers of brand x over brand y...then I think that is comparing competitiveness...

But really, your .02 just supports why you didn't create the poll...right?
post #42 of 73
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Originally Posted by robertazimmerman View Post

I really don't see what is the point in having this poll. How many of us have more than one receiver? Secondly, how many of us auditioned multiple receivers in person prior to making our purchases?

I may love my components, but that does not indicate whether they are good nor how they compare to competitive products.

I'd prefer to hear from dealers and HT installers who sell &/or install products from numerous companies.

Just my 2 cents (Cdn.)

R

My advice would be to pretend this thread doesn't exist and ignore the OP and thread.



Mark
post #43 of 73
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Originally Posted by Smoof017 View Post

You don't have to have more than 1 receiver...but I suspect many people here have had more than one.

All things being equal, if people are buying more of the comparable receivers of brand x over brand y...then I think that is comparing competitiveness...

But really, your .02 just supports why you didn't create the poll...right?

With that mentality you should replace your speakers with BOSE as they have a large market share and must be great.

Mark
post #44 of 73
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Originally Posted by MarkSmith View Post

With that mentality you should replace your speakers with BOSE as they have a large market share and must be great.

Mark

if he was polling outside this forum sure, but he is polling inside this forum and i seriously doubt that bose would make the top ten here much less the top 3.
post #45 of 73
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Originally Posted by johnathanwinter View Post

if he was polling outside this forum sure, but he is polling inside this forum and i seriously doubt that bose would make the top ten here much less the top 3.

My point being that simply because a product is more popular does not make it better. Also someone could take this poll and love his 5 year old receiver from XYZ company. That doesnt mean that this years XYZ receivers are a good option as many things can change. To me this is one of the dumbest polls/threads which I have read on AVS.

It's like a car accident though and I cant help but keep looking at it.

Mark.
post #46 of 73
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MarkSmith View Post

With that mentality you should replace your speakers with BOSE as they have a large market share and must be great.

Mark

really have to spell this out huh...

all things being equal, in this poll...

Dude, you are really taking this thing over the edge. This is a simple poll which GREATLY oversimplifies a very complex question. Its not meant to say to someone...look Denon has the most votes...go buy that. It has to be used in context with other information...like any other tool for parsing data. This isn't an earth-shattering algorithm. Its just a simple poll about who likes what they have...

so pls...just relax and watch the car accident in silence.
post #47 of 73
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Originally Posted by MarkSmith View Post

My point being that simply because a product is more popular does not make it better. Also someone could take this poll and love his 5 year old receiver from XYZ company. That doesnt mean that this years XYZ receivers are a good option as many things can change. To me this is one of the dumbest polls/threads which I have read on AVS.

It's like a car accident though and I cant help but keep looking at it.

Mark.

and my point was that i was pulling your leg with the Bose comment. perhaps you missed the big smiley thing. [smiley thing again] this is AVS forum and Bose will get a bashing here.

But what you say is true, i wont disagree. as an example; H/K was really good back when, then it became so buggy that it really needed an Orkin man working at the plant. Things might have changed since then i dont know, but a good receiver model is a good receiver model period, i dont care how old the technology is.

people here have done their homework. i am under the impression that there really is no bad equipment listed in this forum and most of it any average individual would be quite happy with.
post #48 of 73
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Originally Posted by Denophile View Post

does anthem make an avr? another vote for arcam.

Anthem is scheduled to release 2 AVR's this year, but I doubt they are a considered in this poll.
post #49 of 73
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Originally Posted by nelson57 View Post

Anthem is scheduled to release 2 AVR's this year, but I doubt they are a considered in this poll.

So do I, since, in theory people are voting for receivers they own or have owned...
post #50 of 73
Thread Starter 
Interesting, Pioneer is taking the top spot. Which pioneer receiver do most people like the most? Is it a current model or and older one?
post #51 of 73
This poll is in line with what the majority of people own, I think. The most popular brands are of course Pioneer, Onkyo, Denon, and Yamaha. I personally like Pioneer, and have an SC-27 running as a pre-amp. IMO Pioneer is the least buggy of the group.
post #52 of 73
I tend to agree that Pioneer's are the less buggy of the bunch. Especially if you go with one of their Elite models. My vote went for Yamaha. Not the new ones either. Anything from the 1900/3900 back is what I meant when choosing them. The new models X65 just seem to be lacking typical Yamaha build quality. I also feel that Denon dropped the ball this year with their decision to add pre-outs only on their 3310 and above models. Onkyo decicided not to add multi-channel inputs on anything less than a NR1007. These are the things that in most cases lead me to recommend Pioneer Elites for the lowest cost fully implemented AVR's at this time. If you want something other than the Elites go for last years models and save money and get all they have to offer. This goes for Denon's,Onkyo's and Yamaha's. They were just made better IMO.
post #53 of 73
Ditto.
I own a Pioneer SC-07.
Love the IceAmps.
Very dynamic, especially with movies.
Also, couldn't live without a room correction system like MCACC.
The last statement about room correction is coming from being a die hard 2-channel analog user.
This all changed, 1 year ago, starting with Marantz & Denon with Audyssey.
I find Audyssey is better with movies, and MCACC better with music.
post #54 of 73
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Originally Posted by Smoof017 View Post

All things being equal, if people are buying more of the comparable receivers of brand x over brand y...then I think that is comparing competitiveness...

There could be many reasons why people by one brand over another. If you go to the big box stores, the sales reps will push the products that earns them the highest commissions, or earns the stores the most profits. Many, if not most, uninformed consumers listen to what these sales reps say and since the reps appear to know more about the products than they do, they will more likely purchase the product recommended by the sales reps. Since most HT rigs are purchased in big box stores, the higher profitable brands will move out the door faster than the others. These sales numbers have no bearing on the actual quality of the products.

I personally will not buy any products made by one of the major A/V manufacturers, as I have experienced far too many premature equipment failures with their products. I think that their quality is awful. Postings from other folks indicate that they've had worse than average success with products made by the company. Yet, they keep selling their stuff.

Why? Good advertising, sales rep commissions,,,,,I don't know. It sure ain't product quality though.

Roberta
post #55 of 73
I love the Rotels because of their great build quality, But I have an Onkyo 805 which is built like a tank and sounds fantastic. 60 lbs of receiver makes me happy
post #56 of 73
I would also add Cambridge audio receivers. They are fantastic and you got to love those toroidal transformers!
post #57 of 73
I voted for Hk only because Integra wasn't listed and I don't have Integra in my house.
post #58 of 73
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Originally Posted by realtight View Post

I'd say everything about Denon is suspect right now. Denon is the last company I'd buy from, well second to last. But I've been hearing bad things regarding their quality from my dealer buddies for years now...

100% false, show me the data where they are lower on quality then any other company??
post #59 of 73
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Originally Posted by Chicagorep View Post

I voted for Hk only because Integra wasn't listed and I don't have Integra in my house.

Um....just vote Onkyo, its the same thing
post #60 of 73
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Originally Posted by Smoof017 View Post

You don't have to have more than 1 receiver...but I suspect many people here have had more than one.

All things being equal, if people are buying more of the comparable receivers of brand x over brand y...then I think that is comparing competitiveness...

But really, your .02 just supports why you didn't create the poll...right?

Polls are always useless because you have NO IDEA why someone likes something.

You really need to list your requirements and then buy the best product for those requirements. All brands are viable and have equal build quality so this back and forth decision making daily from many is just plain ignorance about products, product design and what really matters.
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