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Timbre Matching Def Tech 350's or 450's with what Center Channel?

post #1 of 14
2/3/10 at 1:45pm
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I have read a bunch of threads on timbre matching and I believe I understand the concept so I was wondering about a couple scenarios:

1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 350's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?


2. 1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 450's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?

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post #2 of 14
2/3/10 at 2:01pm
A matching 350 or 450, if you can accommodate it, would be the best center speaker for those speakers. Otherwise, either of those CLRs would be a timbre-match for the 350s or 450s.

But, 3 identical speaker across the front soundstage is the ideal situation.
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post #3 of 14
2/3/10 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

A matching 350 or 450, if you can accommodate it, would be the best center speaker for those speakers. Otherwise, either of those CLRs would be a timbre-match for the 350s or 450s.

But, 3 identical speaker across the front soundstage is the ideal situation.

I have heard that 3 identical speakers is ideal. Now for the ultimate question...the 2002 or the 2300? I have heard both centers and I really like them both. It sounds like more people recommend the 2002 over the 2300 because the 2002 has bigger drivers. Some say that the 2300 makes up for the 4 1/2 drivers with the built in Sub.
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post #4 of 14
2/3/10 at 3:11pm
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I have heard that 3 identical speakers is ideal. Now for the ultimate question...the 2002 or the 2300? I have heard both centers and I really like them both. It sounds like more people recommend the 2002 over the 2300 because the 2002 has bigger drivers. Some say that the 2300 makes up for the 4 1/2 drivers with the built in Sub.

It's not the fact that the CLR2002 has bigger drivers that make it a better choice, it's because the CLR2002 has the same mid range driver as the SM350.
If your setup will not allow a third SM350 as your perfect match at center, then the CLR2002 or CLR2500 would be a great choice.

The powered woofer in the CLR2300 gives this speaker better bass extension, but it does nothing to correct timbre matching of two different mid range drivers.
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post #5 of 14
2/3/10 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by eagle101st View Post

I have read a bunch of threads on timbre matching and I believe I understand the concept so I was wondering about a couple scenarios:

1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 350's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?


2. 1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 450's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?

Thanks!!

Best match for the SM450 is the discontinued CLR 2000, the 350 match is the CLR 1000 which both are on craigslist now, both are using same drivers and tweeter. If you look around on craigslist, ebay or audiogon you can always find one for sale ~$200-300 [CLR 2000 & ~$100-200 [CLR1000]. Audiogon.com has one [CLR2000] for sale under definitive tech, the CLR 2000 is about the size of the 2300 with gloss caps and all.
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post #6 of 14
2/3/10 at 5:19pm
Essentially, that the tweeter be identical is all that is probably really important here. The size of the midbass drivers (they are not really midranges) or the presence of the powered "sub" in the speaker is not going to be all that very relevant. Sure, of course, there will probably be timbre differences between the different similar CLR offerings but they will be very subtle. As far as I know the CLR's tweeters are identical to those used in the 350/450 so they will all be essentially interchangable.

The more relevant question here, given the choice between the 2002 and the 2300, is whether using a powered center would be appropriate or useful. With a dedicated subwoofer connected, I would say "no". I would pick the 2002 over the 2300 for BOTH the 350s and 450s.
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post #7 of 14
2/4/10 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Essentially, that the tweeter be identical is all that is probably really important here. The size of the midbass drivers (they are not really midranges) or the presence of the powered "sub" in the speaker is not going to be all that very relevant. Sure, of course, there will probably be timbre differences between the different similar CLR offerings but they will be very subtle. As far as I know the CLR's tweeters are identical to those used in the 350/450 so they will all be essentially interchangable.

The more relevant question here, given the choice between the 2002 and the 2300, is whether using a powered center would be appropriate or useful. With a dedicated subwoofer connected, I would say "no". I would pick the 2002 over the 2300 for BOTH the 350s and 450s.

Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.
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post #8 of 14
2/4/10 at 2:19pm
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Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.

Why 2 more 2002s instead of a pair of 450s? I would think that a pair of 450s would be less expensive.
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post #9 of 14
2/4/10 at 2:52pm
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Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.

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Why 2 more 2002s instead of a pair of 450s? I would think that a pair of 450s would be less expensive.

You'll be plenty happy either way you go with that purchase decision, but sivadselims' point should be considered.
It was reported in the Definitive Thread today that 6th Avenue Electronics has the SM450s on sale for $248 a pair.
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post #10 of 14
2/4/10 at 3:48pm
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Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.

that sounds like a good idea (3 clr2002's across the front) and what i was going to recommend before even reading this post

the sm350's have a single 5 1/4" driver and the clr2002 have dual 5 1/4" drivers

better still is if you could run all 3 vertical across the front sound-stage

the def tech CLR speakers which stand for center/left/right are designed to be used either vertical or horizontal (for center use) but sound their best vertical
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post #11 of 14
2/4/10 at 3:50pm
three 450's across the front would be nice also
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post #12 of 14
2/8/10 at 3:37pm
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I bought the SM 350's and the CLR 2002 and I love them! I upgraded my 8 year old Onkyo HTiB and man o man what a difference. I also bought a new receiver to go with the speakers and I am very happy I am hearing sounds I never heard before in movies.
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post #13 of 14
2/8/10 at 3:47pm
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I bought the SM 350's and the CLR 2002 and I love them! I upgraded my 8 year old Onkyo HTiB and man o man what a difference. I also bought a new receiver to go with the speakers and I am very happy I am hearing sounds I never heard before in movies.

Congrats on a nice setup.
Down the road, consider getting a good subwoofer. You'll be hearing even more effects you've been missing.
The sub that may have come with your HTiB doesn't count
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post #14 of 14
2/8/10 at 4:30pm
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Congrats on a nice setup.
Down the road, consider getting a good subwoofer. You'll be hearing even more effects you've been missing.
The sub that may have come with your HTiB doesn't count

Oh man! lol! I did hook up the old sub (caught!).
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