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Timbre Matching Def Tech 350's or 450's with what Center Channel?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I have read a bunch of threads on timbre matching and I believe I understand the concept so I was wondering about a couple scenarios:

1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 350's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?


2. 1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 450's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?

Thanks!!
post #2 of 19
A matching 350 or 450, if you can accommodate it, would be the best center speaker for those speakers. Otherwise, either of those CLRs would be a timbre-match for the 350s or 450s.

But, 3 identical speaker across the front soundstage is the ideal situation.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

A matching 350 or 450, if you can accommodate it, would be the best center speaker for those speakers. Otherwise, either of those CLRs would be a timbre-match for the 350s or 450s.

But, 3 identical speaker across the front soundstage is the ideal situation.

I have heard that 3 identical speakers is ideal. Now for the ultimate question...the 2002 or the 2300? I have heard both centers and I really like them both. It sounds like more people recommend the 2002 over the 2300 because the 2002 has bigger drivers. Some say that the 2300 makes up for the 4 1/2 drivers with the built in Sub.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by eagle101st View Post

I have heard that 3 identical speakers is ideal. Now for the ultimate question...the 2002 or the 2300? I have heard both centers and I really like them both. It sounds like more people recommend the 2002 over the 2300 because the 2002 has bigger drivers. Some say that the 2300 makes up for the 4 1/2 drivers with the built in Sub.

It's not the fact that the CLR2002 has bigger drivers that make it a better choice, it's because the CLR2002 has the same mid range driver as the SM350.
If your setup will not allow a third SM350 as your perfect match at center, then the CLR2002 or CLR2500 would be a great choice.

The powered woofer in the CLR2300 gives this speaker better bass extension, but it does nothing to correct timbre matching of two different mid range drivers.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by eagle101st View Post

I have read a bunch of threads on timbre matching and I believe I understand the concept so I was wondering about a couple scenarios:

1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 350's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?


2. 1. If I buy Def Tech Studio Monitor 450's, which Def Tech Center Channel would be a good timbre match? The CLR 2002 or the CLR 2300?

Thanks!!

Best match for the SM450 is the discontinued CLR 2000, the 350 match is the CLR 1000 which both are on craigslist now, both are using same drivers and tweeter. If you look around on craigslist, ebay or audiogon you can always find one for sale ~$200-300 [CLR 2000 & ~$100-200 [CLR1000]. Audiogon.com has one [CLR2000] for sale under definitive tech, the CLR 2000 is about the size of the 2300 with gloss caps and all.
post #6 of 19
Essentially, that the tweeter be identical is all that is probably really important here. The size of the midbass drivers (they are not really midranges) or the presence of the powered "sub" in the speaker is not going to be all that very relevant. Sure, of course, there will probably be timbre differences between the different similar CLR offerings but they will be very subtle. As far as I know the CLR's tweeters are identical to those used in the 350/450 so they will all be essentially interchangable.

The more relevant question here, given the choice between the 2002 and the 2300, is whether using a powered center would be appropriate or useful. With a dedicated subwoofer connected, I would say "no". I would pick the 2002 over the 2300 for BOTH the 350s and 450s.
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Essentially, that the tweeter be identical is all that is probably really important here. The size of the midbass drivers (they are not really midranges) or the presence of the powered "sub" in the speaker is not going to be all that very relevant. Sure, of course, there will probably be timbre differences between the different similar CLR offerings but they will be very subtle. As far as I know the CLR's tweeters are identical to those used in the 350/450 so they will all be essentially interchangable.

The more relevant question here, given the choice between the 2002 and the 2300, is whether using a powered center would be appropriate or useful. With a dedicated subwoofer connected, I would say "no". I would pick the 2002 over the 2300 for BOTH the 350s and 450s.

Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by eagle101st View Post

Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.

Why 2 more 2002s instead of a pair of 450s? I would think that a pair of 450s would be less expensive.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by eagle101st View Post

Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.

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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Why 2 more 2002s instead of a pair of 450s? I would think that a pair of 450s would be less expensive.

You'll be plenty happy either way you go with that purchase decision, but sivadselims' point should be considered.
It was reported in the Definitive Thread today that 6th Avenue Electronics has the SM450s on sale for $248 a pair.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by eagle101st View Post

Thanks for the advice everyone. If money permits, I can buy 2 more 2002's and move the SM 350's to the rears. I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the SM 350's and the CLR 2002.

that sounds like a good idea (3 clr2002's across the front) and what i was going to recommend before even reading this post

the sm350's have a single 5 1/4" driver and the clr2002 have dual 5 1/4" drivers

better still is if you could run all 3 vertical across the front sound-stage

the def tech CLR speakers which stand for center/left/right are designed to be used either vertical or horizontal (for center use) but sound their best vertical
post #11 of 19
three 450's across the front would be nice also
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
I bought the SM 350's and the CLR 2002 and I love them! I upgraded my 8 year old Onkyo HTiB and man o man what a difference. I also bought a new receiver to go with the speakers and I am very happy I am hearing sounds I never heard before in movies.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by eagle101st View Post

I bought the SM 350's and the CLR 2002 and I love them! I upgraded my 8 year old Onkyo HTiB and man o man what a difference. I also bought a new receiver to go with the speakers and I am very happy I am hearing sounds I never heard before in movies.

Congrats on a nice setup.
Down the road, consider getting a good subwoofer. You'll be hearing even more effects you've been missing.
The sub that may have come with your HTiB doesn't count
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by headedforhighend View Post

Congrats on a nice setup.
Down the road, consider getting a good subwoofer. You'll be hearing even more effects you've been missing.
The sub that may have come with your HTiB doesn't count

Oh man! lol! I did hook up the old sub (caught!).
post #15 of 19
Yes, resurrecting an old thread after the steal of a deal at Newegg.com a few weeks back getting 2 pairs of the SM 350 for $130/pair after $50 rebate.
While I know now I should have bought more up front (only 2 rebates per person), initially I was just looking for quality surrounds for a basement remodel. Curious if I should be looking for another set as front left rights and then one of the centers people have mentioned earlier in this thread...OR, if I should try to get 2 more pairs and use 3 equals up front and just have 1 extra speaker that is not used.

If I went the latter route, is there any way to use TWO speakers together as a center...for instance, can I wire them in series/parallel to make use of both at the same time?. Or would the impedance change ruin something or just give me strange sound compared to the other front speakers?

Main goal is to get a nice Definitive Technology system at the lowest price point. If no good way to get more SM 350 anymore, I may have to go with a proper set of Definitive Towers and center with the same tweeters as the SM 350.

Any answers/suggestions you can provide would be much appreciated!

Mike
post #16 of 19
Three identical speakers LCR across the front is ideal. If you can fit a third SM-350 as a center then it will actually sound better than the "dedicated" horizontal center speaker models. (No need for two center speakers - the goal isn't getting the strongest center channel sound, but rather an even, cohesive front sound stage from the LCR speakers working well together.)

With your "leftover" SM-350 you could try out a 6.1 setup (i.e. one "rear surround" in the center back). I ran that for a while and was quite pleased with it.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by brewtownska View Post

Yes, resurrecting an old thread after the steal of a deal at Newegg.com a few weeks back getting 2 pairs of the SM 350 for $130/pair after $50 rebate.
While I know now I should have bought more up front (only 2 rebates per person), initially I was just looking for quality surrounds for a basement remodel. Curious if I should be looking for another set as front left rights and then one of the centers people have mentioned earlier in this thread...OR, if I should try to get 2 more pairs and use 3 equals up front and just have 1 extra speaker that is not used.

If I went the latter route, is there any way to use TWO speakers together as a center...for instance, can I wire them in series/parallel to make use of both at the same time?. Or would the impedance change ruin something or just give me strange sound compared to the other front speakers?

Main goal is to get a nice Definitive Technology system at the lowest price point. If no good way to get more SM 350 anymore, I may have to go with a proper set of Definitive Towers and center with the same tweeters as the SM 350.

Any answers/suggestions you can provide would be much appreciated!

Mike
Mike I maybe pursuaded to sell my C1 center channel w/ it's 5.25 " woofer and aluimin tweeter which is the perfect match for the SM350.

speaker is in excellent condition front grill cover is included.

I will take $150. OBO
here's a image w/out the front grill.

I have sold one expensive DVR to another member here.
STB
post #18 of 19
post #19 of 19
Newegg just restocked more SM350 pairs (though at a higher price than last time by $70), so I bought 2 more pairs. Even at $200 a pair after a $50 rebate card, seems worthwhile to have 8 matching speakers for the theatre. So now I just need to determine if I keep one unused for parts, or if I sell it off to anyone else that may have been in the same predicament as me.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!
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