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post #31 of 75
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Originally Posted by jmichaelf View Post

I'm about 8 feet from a much smaller pair of speakers with a much lower spec in a 13x18 foot room and it's loud enough. I imagine the Genelecs would be very capable.

The Genelecs are very loud. I sit about 5m away and I have to take out 15db digitally or it's too loud.
post #32 of 75
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Originally Posted by Jim HTPC View Post

You are mostly correct. This is being taken care of as I type. These guys are the usual suspects and easy to detect as they drop ship. Expect a resolution soon. Buyer beware is all I can add. Good luck getting the faint transformer hum removed from the tweeter when amp board gets worn; under warranty.

Well, they are still on the site and for sale - not sure what you are resolving? If I am not mistaken, the pro stuff is allowed to be sold online, to anyone who has a credit card.

Not arguing the setup issue (as I work with people who do home install of Genelec) - but not sure why you are concerned with pro gear being sold by a pro store.
post #33 of 75
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

Huh? Why should there be any restrictions as to who can buy such speakers? I bought the 8250 for my home cinema. Of course I had no problems ordering them. Anything else would be ridiculous.

Didn't you use to have a full TacT setup? Are you using the TCS with 8250's? How do they compare with the tri-amped MH1's I think you use to have?
post #34 of 75
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Originally Posted by kenratboy View Post

Well, they are still on the site and for sale - not sure what you are resolving? If I am not mistaken, the pro stuff is allowed to be sold online, to anyone who has a credit card.

Not arguing the setup issue (as I work with people who do home install of Genelec) - but not sure why you are concerned with pro gear being sold by a pro store.

I have hard time believing that Genelec would prevail in a breach of warranty becasue the speaker was used in a home setting. I can see how they can try to control their dealers but not the end purchaser. I can see it now in court, but judge they used our speaker to play music for enjoyment rather than work. Yep, that would fly.
post #35 of 75
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Didn't you use to have a full TacT setup? Are you using the TCS with 8250's? How do they compare with the tri-amped MH1's I think you use to have?

Yes, I use the Genelecs and Genelec subwoofer with the Tact TCS III. Had never MH1s.
post #36 of 75
I have sold mostly Pro versions of Genelec over the HT's. After selling 3 (LCR) 3 ways(1037's) someone at a local Pro dealer found out somehow & raised a bit of a fuss. After it was quickly determined that the speakers were going in a home & not a pro application everything was fine. My rep & the distributer are fine with it as long as they get the purchase order. I talked about this with the Genelec trainer from Finland & the bosses in Montreal & agreed why I like the (8000 series over the old 1000 series) In fact I purchased a pair of 1031's & returned them asap when the 8050's became available. (5 years now & no problems)Great speaker that fills a 14 x 24' room. 8050' up front & 8040's in the back.(demo room) The pro listening distance recommendation is strict for that environment but in a typical HT its a bit more forgiving. Compare for instance the 8050 to the HT208 (which is of course a 1031 pro) OR even better the HT208 to the 1031. Use Genelec's own charts & you can see that the same spkr in a domestic environment seems more capable ( longer seating distance, room size ect.) The new 8260 should be fantastic. Go with the pro's.
post #37 of 75
Review of the Genelec 8260a on page 32 here:
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/newbay/par_201007/#/0

Positive, but not exactly in-depth.
post #38 of 75
Is there still an interest in this unit?

I ask because Im currently trying to catch up with an embarassingly long list of PMs and quick reports I owe people. Adding one more would be no great hassle.

I spent some quality time with the 8260 over the summer and took some notes on it. It is a really, and I do mean really, capable speaker.

If theres interest I'll write it up.

MSRP is a shade under $6k per unit.
post #39 of 75
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Is there still an interest in this unit?

I ask because Im currently trying to catch up with an embarassingly long list of PMs and quick reports I owe people. Adding one more would be no great hassle.

I spent some quality time with the 8260 over the summer and took some notes on it. It is a really, and I do mean really, capable speaker.

If theres interest I'll write it up.

MSRP is a shade under $6k per unit.

I would love to see a speaker in the consumer line that sits between the 210 and 312. Seems like a huge, HUGE jump in price (2.5x) with nothing in between.

However, might we start to see a migration of the pro products to the consumer ones soon?
post #40 of 75
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Originally Posted by kenratboy View Post

I would love to see a speaker in the consumer line that sits between the 210 and 312. Seems like a huge, HUGE jump in price (2.5x) with nothing in between.

However, might we start to see a migration of the pro products to the consumer ones soon?

You quote my post but, in response, dont answer the single question I asked.
post #41 of 75
I was quoting it more to address you vs. just a random comment. But yes, you are right, I did not answer any question other than the fact I am replying to a thread that has been dormant since July.
post #42 of 75
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Originally Posted by kenratboy View Post

I was quoting it more to address you vs. just a random comment. But yes, you are right, I did not answer any question other than the fact I am replying to a thread that has been dormant since July.

Its not really the norm here, when someone offers time and effort to help inform others, to act like a smart ass. You are either interested or dont bother posting.
post #43 of 75
If you think I am wasting your time, then ignore me. No hard feelings.

I was addressing you because I look up to you as an expert. I quoted you because I believed you would have a relevant and insightful reply. I am perplexed as to your attitude. I spend many hours a month (on other forums) helping and troubleshooting peoples audio and HT gear, and I look at forums like this to gain insight I cannot get other places.

Sorry if I somehow offended you, but no offense was intended.
post #44 of 75
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Originally Posted by kenratboy View Post

I am perplexed as to your attitude.

No need to be perplexed at all. I made a simple offer to the forum, and was soliciting a reply. Your post didn't offer that. I then point that out, as I didnt wish my post to get lost in the background, at which point you could have given me an answer, but you chose to give a facetious answer instead. Nothing perplexing about it.

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Originally Posted by kenratboy View Post

Sorry if I somehow offended you, but no offense was intended.

You didnt offend me at all. I would be more than happy to attempt to answer any, and all, questions you may have, but I was simply looking for a specific answer to a specific question when I made that post.
post #45 of 75
Assuming the above distraction is now behind us, is there any interest in having me write something up regarding my experience of the 8260A?
post #46 of 75
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Originally Posted by kenratboy View Post

I would love to see a speaker in the consumer line that sits between the 210 and 312. Seems like a huge, HUGE jump in price (2.5x) with nothing in between.

However, might we start to see a migration of the pro products to the consumer ones soon?

I spoke to Genelec folks at CEDIA about the specific speaker being talked about. He said there was zero plan to bring it to home theater market since every speaker requires a processor, amps and cables, making it a bewildering configuration for consumers who can but a single (consumer) processor to drive all of their channels. So this speaker cannot be seen as an example of something that can be moved from Pro line to consumer.

That said, pro equipment can be sourced readily so the fact that speakers are distributed through that channel is not a barrier to people adopting them if the economics make sense.
post #47 of 75
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I spoke to Genelec folks at CEDIA about the specific speaker being talked about. He said there was zero plan to bring it to home theater market since every speaker requires a processor, amps and cables, making it a bewildering configuration for consumers who can but a single (consumer) processor to drive all of their channels. So this speaker cannot be seen as an example of something that can be moved from Pro line to consumer.

Amir, You have either been fed some rather dubious information , or perhaps misunderstood said information. Similar to the recent Lumis/HT5000 information.

The DSP engine and amps are housed within each speaker, making it a totally unbewildering configuration. Its is actually far simpler than my previous Genelec units which actually did have separate electronics, and even they were very simple to work with. The reference to the consumer only using a single processor for all channels is very misleading indeed. Such units are, by their very nature, multi-channel processors. The genelec DSP monitors simply package a single channel of processing in each unit. The DSP in the Genelec DSP units is actually quite simple compared to many HT processors (see end of next paragraph)

Regarding the DSP, which is no different to the other DSP monitors by Genelec, the units can be used with, or without, the GLM system, meaning that standard HT processors can be used and there are instances where that would absolutely be the better option. The DSP will always handle the crossovers, obviously. Using it without GLM will allow the user to use whatever room correction they choose, and/or to cascade if using a dedicated bass processor. The GLM is actually not that big of a deal....2 shelving filters and 6 PEQ per unit iirc.

This speaker most certainly CAN be seen as an example of something that can be moved to the HT environment. Its already been done, and very simple it is too. Ive seen it done and used it, with GLM and external processing with no problems whatsoever.

I also suspect, from your post, that you may seriously underestimate the complexity of genuine high end HT audio. The simple, and self contained, nature of the 8260, is a world away from remote active tri-amped speakers with multiple external processing units that can be seen in many installs.

What actually separates this unit is absolutely NOT its processing or networking, that is actually no different to other 8200 or 7200 units, rather its simply the performance as an active tri-amped speaker.

Hope this helps
post #48 of 75
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Amir, You have either been fed some rather dubious information , or perhaps misunderstood said information.

I am just telling you what I was told when I asked them why they are not bringing the DSP line to consumers. Maybe they were talking about a product higher up the line than this unit.

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Similar to the recent Lumis/HT5000 information.

Say what? What Lumis/HT5000 information? And what does have to do this topic?

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This speaker most certainly CAN be seen as an example of something that can be moved to the HT environment. Its already been done, and very simple it is too. Ive seen it done and used it, with no problems whatsoever.

Which is what I stated. Why you quote me and then disagree is beyond me! What matters though is whether Genelec thinks this way and enables you to buy your gear from HT channel rather than pro. What you think doesn't amount to much .

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I also suspect, from your post, that you may seriously underestimate the complexity of genuine high end HT audio. The simple, and self contained, nature of the 8260, is a world away from remote active tri-amped speakers with multiple external processing units that can be seen in many installs.

I didn't tell you it was difficult for me to configure or understand it. I told you what Genelec people think is too complicated to sell to HT market. Why not contact them and say they are wrong?

My side company is actually a Genelec dealer and we also sell and support JBL Synthesis which has fair bit of complexity in setting things up also given its processor, software and such. In the type of high-end situations we bid them, it is not an issue of course. So your assumption of my understanding of the market and customers is way out of line and unmerited from the brief post I made.
post #49 of 75
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Which is what I stated.

You actually stated... So this speaker cannot be seen as an example of something that can be moved from Pro line to consumer.

I am stating the diametric opposite. It certainly can.

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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Why you quote me and then disagree is beyond me!

Its totally normal to quote then disagree with said quote. The purpose of the quote is to define what is being disagreed with. Exactly as you are doing here.

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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

What you think doesn't amount to much .

When posting based on direct experience that runs counter to potentially misleading information, it certainly does.

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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

I told you what Genelec people think is too complicated to sell to HT market. Why not contact them and say they are wrong?

My concern was with the potential for forum members to gain a false impression, thats why it was addressed here.

Hope this helps.
post #50 of 75
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

You actually stated... So this speaker cannot be seen as an example of something that can be moved from Pro line to consumer.

I am stating the diametric opposite. It certainly can.

Are you reading what I am writing? 'cause it doesn't seem so. I said Genelec people said they don't to market DSP speakers to HT market. Whether you think it can or cannot has nothing to do with that statement. The only way you could counter that was by quoting who you talked to at Genelec saying more Pro products are headed toward HT market.

I further said this:

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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

That said, pro equipment can be sourced readily so the fact that speakers are distributed through that channel is not a barrier to people adopting them if the economics make sense.

Are you disagreeing with this part too? If so, then I have no idea what you are trying to say because I am saying the audience here can source these components if they wish.

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Its totally normal to quote then disagree with said quote. The purpose of the quote is to define what is being disagreed with. Exactly as you are doing here.

Well, that joke went was too subtle then . See your interactions with the other poster. You said he was interfering with your purpose with this thread. I am saying you are doing the same as I was answering his question, not yours. He asked if more Genelec products would move to HT market and I said it doesn't look like it based on what they said to me personally at CEDIA. So it seems ironic that you would jump in to correct that notion when you said you weren't interested in that discussion.
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My concern was with the potential for forum members to gain a false impression, thats why it was addressed here.

Hope this helps.

Well, if you cared about the well being of the forum members, you would just post your experience and not wait for a formal invitation. And certainly don't stomp on the toes of someone jumping in and asking a question. If you want to be helpful, be helpful for heaven's sake.

Someone said the senior members left here are the friendly kind. I sure don't feel the love this minute .

PS apologies for bickering.
post #51 of 75
I had a friend spent 3 months in jail for listening to these speakers outside of a studio.
Genelec police is among us as we speak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZZ6dG6tMpI
post #52 of 75
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Well, if you cared about the well being of the forum members, you would just post your experience and not wait for a formal invitation.

I was in no way waiting for a formal invitation. That is a gross misrepresentation of what I posted. Any post I make on these units would be fairly detailed and involve some time to gather notes and then write something suitable. If there were no interest, it would be a pointless use of my time,

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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

apologies for bickering.

Accepted.

Just to be clear, the only reason I replied to your post was that it could easily have given the impression that these units were in some way difficult to use, or fundamentally unsuitable. Neither being the case, I sought to clarify that. The clarification being based on direct experience.

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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Someone said the senior members left here are the friendly kind. I sure don't feel the love this minute .

Wow, you sound heartbroken. If you are at CEDIA next year, I'll arrange a lap dance for you. Just let me know which gender you would prefer
post #53 of 75
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Wow, you sound heartbroken. If you are at CEDIA next year, I'll arrange a lap dance for you. Just let me know which gender you would prefer

Good to know people's day job outside the forum! I will be sure to send anyone needing such service your way!

Next time, offer dinner. It is harder to twist that into something else.
post #54 of 75
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Is there still an interest in this unit?

I ask because Im currently trying to catch up with an embarassingly long list of PMs and quick reports I owe people. Adding one more would be no great hassle.

I spent some quality time with the 8260 over the summer and took some notes on it. It is a really, and I do mean really, capable speaker.

If theres interest I'll write it up.

MSRP is a shade under $6k per unit.

Yes please do post your review/thoughts.
post #55 of 75
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Is there still an interest in this unit?

I ask because Im currently trying to catch up with an embarassingly long list of PMs and quick reports I owe people. Adding one more would be no great hassle.

I spent some quality time with the 8260 over the summer and took some notes on it. It is a really, and I do mean really, capable speaker.

If theres interest I'll write it up.

MSRP is a shade under $6k per unit.

Dear coldmachine,

I get straight down to your question: Yes. I would be very interested in write-up of your experiences with said speaker.

I myself own a Genelec 1037C setup, have bought a Seaton Catalyst to compare it to and I am also interested in Genelecs new MDC units. I know you have/had a 324 front stage. I would be especially interested in you comparing the sound signature of the new coaxial design with the standard Genelec 3-way main monitors. Thank you for your time.
post #56 of 75
Thread Starter 
coldmachine,

At the time of starting this thread I was tossing up between Genelec, Procella and Seaton. I've since decided to go with Seaton. I'd be very interested to read your thoughts on the 8260a even though it won't affect my decision.
post #57 of 75
OK, I'm on the case. I'll aim to have it up by next week.

I'll start a new thread to avoid it getting missed as I'll give a preamble regarding active units in general, and Genelec specifically, for those who are unfamiliar with, or have never considered, high end actives.
post #58 of 75
I'd be interested in a writeup.
post #59 of 75
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Originally Posted by kenratboy View Post

Well, they are still on the site and for sale - not sure what you are resolving? If I am not mistaken, the pro stuff is allowed to be sold online, to anyone who has a credit card.

Not arguing the setup issue (as I work with people who do home install of Genelec) - but not sure why you are concerned with pro gear being sold by a pro store.

There is an ongoing issue between pro and home. It would be easier if there was only one line (pro/home). You really need someone who is skilled at setting them up to make them shine to their fullest potential. Expect to pay top dollar for setup if you penalize a dealer by buying on the internet. We do.
post #60 of 75
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Assuming the above distraction is now behind us, is there any interest in having me write something up regarding my experience of the 8260A?

Yes
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