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post #1831 of 2707
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Well, I can't find anywhere that states it does HD decoding, but if you say it does then set PowerDVD to bitstreaming (the option says Dolby, but it will bitstream everything). You shouldn't have to do anything else. Check the windows audio control panel for the HDMI connection. It will report everything that the receiver supports. If it's not saying Dolby TrueHD and/or DTS-HD MA, then the receiver is telling the computer that it doesn't support it.

To the other poster: multi-channel PCM audio is EXACTLY the same as bitstreaming the HD codecs. All that changes is which device is decoding the bitstream. Perhaps your receiver isn't handling that input correctly? I've read that some don't apply the correct +4dB LFE boost.

He already stated a couple of times that HD formats don't show up in the control panel, same thing mine does. And I can say for a fact the PCM sounds like crap compared to DD on my sytem anyway. Maybe the board isn't decoding to PCM correctly just like it isn't letting me bit stream. It is very flat and their is no life to it at all. Maybe their is an issue with ATI and the older Asus boards.
post #1832 of 2707
Thread Starter 
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PCM sounds like crap compared to DD on my sytem anyway.

That doesn't sound right at all. The Dolby formats have a dynamic range option (sometimes called "night" mode on receivers). Have you checked for that? Which decoder for DD are you using on the PC?
post #1833 of 2707
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Originally Posted by Mopar_Mudder View Post

He already stated a couple of times that HD formats don't show up in the control panel, same thing mine does. And I can say for a fact the PCM sounds like crap compared to DD on my sytem anyway. Maybe the board isn't decoding to PCM correctly just like it isn't letting me bit stream. It is very flat and their is no life to it at all. Maybe their is an issue with ATI and the older Asus boards.

I could be wrong here but I thought you needed Win7 to have the additional HBR audio options show up on control panel? Cougar mentioned winxp, what are you using for an OS?

I have a 5Q-EM, Win7/32 and a 5670 and have no issues bitstreaming.
post #1834 of 2707
2D Performance Issues

I saw this:

ATI Catalystâ„¢ Software Suite Version 10.4 Release Notes

Quote:


Resolved Issues for the Windows 7 Operating System

Performance on 2D applications and benchmarks has now been fixed
post #1835 of 2707
Thread Starter 
Thanks, will update the post. Again, no one seemed to notice when they fixed it!
post #1836 of 2707
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Originally Posted by kemac View Post

I could be wrong here but I thought you needed Win7 to have the additional HBR audio options show up on control panel? Cougar mentioned winxp, what are you using for an OS?

I have a 5Q-EM, Win7/32 and a 5670 and have no issues bitstreaming.

I am on Vista. I really thought about doing a clean install and going to W7. But this is also our main PC and I really don't want to go through trying to backup and reinstalling a lot of programs. The plan always was to build a dedicated HTPC for the new theater anyways, this just pushed up the time line for doing it So I'm not going to try and put any more effort into getting it to work when I won't need it any more.

One a side note I intallled 10.7, which didn't fix it, but I did notice alot of jerky play back last night in 24hz mode that wasn't their with 10.6
post #1837 of 2707
I highly recommend the clean win7 approach and having a dedicated HTPC that you can easily image before and after any changes. Good luck with your build!
post #1838 of 2707
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Originally Posted by kemac View Post

I highly recommend the clean win7 approach and having a dedicated HTPC that you can easily image before and after any changes. Good luck with your build!

That is exactly that I am headed for, should have it together and running tonight.
post #1839 of 2707
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

No offense didaaf, but you don't know what you're talking about. DVI->VGA adapters are very common and work with any card with a DVI port.

@Cougar: Do you have any other screens plugged into the card? If so, try unhooking them so Windows drops back to outputting to your monitor. If not, try hooking up to the other DVI port.

Not offended but uhhh...don't wan't to be a pain in the ass or play mister know it all because i don't but there is definitely a difference in adapters and i don't know what Ati has done but i'm very shure that a standard Nvidia adapter won't work at Ati. And i'm talking about audio over dvi/hdmi because cougar said that he got at least video working so i figured out he's got sound issues!?

Take a look for instance at this photo so you can see that there is a wide variaty in adapters: http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=h...1t:429,r:1,s:0 So you can never be to shure about those little basterds. I've got lots of those little buggers lying around and i banged my head over them more then one time.

About my own problem. Tomorrow i'm going to buy a 2.0 x16 mobo because i've got a gut feeling that the salvation lies in that corner (or it's the chipset for audio and video). It's a bottleneck anyhow so i'll keep you posted!!! The capabilities of the samsung i've already put to the test so no need to search in that corner. I must say it's rather sloppy from samsung that they are not aware of there own capabillity's and even worse...the firmware update on the page for my receiver is for the 7.1 version. So afther this mail i'm going to shoud a little at the people behind samsung.nl
post #1840 of 2707
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

No offense didaaf, but you don't know what you're talking about. DVI->VGA adapters are very common and work with any card with a DVI port.

Not quite. There are several different types of DVI and some of them are digital only. VGA is an analog connection so if the DVI port on the card only supports digital, no DVI->VGA adaptor will work.

post #1841 of 2707
Guys, please, need a little help.

I have bought Gigabyte hd5770 after having hd2600xt. Thanks to all of you I made it possible everything with ATI HDMI audio. Works fine.

Anyway, I have a problem with Catalyst Control Center, versions 10.1-10.7 of them. The problem occurs when I wanted to switch amongst displays or when I want to send signal off my monitor to my plasma Panasonic 42g20 (not clone mode), it appears in some strange resolutions and refresh rates. What I have done is following:

1. Monitor resolution set to 1024x768 85Hz and plasma resolutions is 1920x1080 25Hz interlaced. Created hotkey alt+F5 to switch amongst displays. It switches but in plasma it is 1024x768 24Hz resolution. I can not do anything to make it automatically in 1920x1080 25Hz. Strange.

2. Created two profiles Monitor and Television, as well as Desktop shortcuts for them. When I double click shortcut Television (created on 1920x1080 25Hz) it switches to something like 1440x900 24Hz and television receives signal. Then I have to double click again profile shortcut for Television and THEN I have wanted picture 1920x1080 25Hz. Otherway around, when I want to get back to monitor, I double click shortcut Monitor and television turn off, picture appears on monitor in some strange resolution, but after I double click again shortcut Monitor, picture is fine in 1024x768 85Hz.

The problem appears with some MIDDLE stage in switching between monitor and television. With my old hd2600 I did not have that issue at all. I tried different drivers and catalysts, complete removal and new installation from 10.1 to 10.7, everything is the same. Problem stayed.

My system Windows XP SP3.

Any suggestion about switching between monitor and television without middle phase would be highly appreciated.
post #1842 of 2707
I've heard, and only from a single source, that it's possible to do 23.976 Hz output with a 5450. Has anyone got it working without hitching, etc? That, and can it be done with TMT2?

So far, using my 5450 and TMT2, I can set 23.976 but I get an annoying video stutter every second or so from TMT2 when playing blu-ray (audio = no worries). 23.976 hz files play cleanly in Media Player Classic using whatever sync/resample modes MPC makes available, I'm not sure which I have enabled...but TMT2 stumbles. I've tried reclock, but am unable to get rid of the stutter. However, Reclock works with the card set to 24 Hz, with minor and infrequent audio gliches, go figure...

I'm unable to determine where my problem lies, in TMT2, the card, the card settings, reclock, etc. but I'd like to know so that my next upgrade isn't in vain. Do I need TMT3, or a new video card, or some combination thereof?
post #1843 of 2707
I just upgraded my Asus P5E-VM-HDMI, Win XP setup to Win7 with Sapphire 5570.....now I have no front speakers!

I did a clean install of Win 7, and added the HD5570 at the same time. CCC 10.5 was installed along with MediaPortal, codec packs ,etc. I soon found I had no Front Left and Right channels in a 5.1 setup. The 5570 was connected to Yamaha HTR-5990 (same as RX-V 1600) via HDMI and then HDMI to Panasonic PT-56DLX25. I left a few days later for work and the next day (Murphy's law) all audio except .mkv quit for my wife. I return home and assumed codec hell because of the .mkv behavior.

Now, I have just reinstalled Win 7 and CCC 10.5 from disk image, uninstalled 10.5 and installed 10.7. But I still have no front speakers. In the Win 7 Sound dialog box I have ATI HDMI Output, and Digital Audio (S/PDIF). I select HDMI/Configure, select 5.1, and when I select TEST I still don't get Front Speakers. This is with no codecs or players installed. When the various speakers run through the test I get a PCM light on the Yamaha, and show 5 speaker input on all speakers, but no sound from the Fronts. After Speaker Setup I select 'Next' for Customize Your Configuration and the "Side Pair" option box is greyed out??

I installed a digital coax and tried the Digital Audio (S/PDIF) option in the Sound dialog box on Win 7, but it won't let me select "Configure", the box is greyed out.

Any idea's? I don't have any other software installed. I did several restarts of the HTPC with the Yamaha already running. Bottom line....since installing the HD 5570 I can't get any sound from my left and right Front Speakers (I plugged my XBox into HDMI 2 on the Yamaha and everything works great, it's definitely an HTPC/Video card problem).

Any help is greatly appreciated......Pulling my hair out.
post #1844 of 2707
I didn't have any luck with the XFX 5670, so I returned it and have the Sapphire 5570 coming.

Am I correct that I have to uninstall both the video card and the audio drivers before I install the card and CCC 10.7?

I did not uninstall the audio drivers with the 5670 and am now thinking that this is what caused the problem.
post #1845 of 2707
As promised here's a update of the outcome:

It finaly works with al the credits for Tulli. A verry long story in short:

It was a EDID problem which caused the lack of HD-options.

a quote from Tulli:

Ok, so I can confirm that the AVR EDID shows no TueHD or DTS HD capabilities. Here's the EDID Audio Data Block:


(144-156) Audio Data Block

Audio Format #1 : LPCM, 2-Channel, 24-Bit, 20-Bit, 16-Bit
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

Audio Format #2 : LPCM, 6-Channel, 24-Bit, 20-Bit, 16-Bit
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

Audio Format #3 : AC-3, 6-Channel, 640 k Max bit rate
Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

Audio Format #4 : DTS, 6-Channel, 1536 k Max bit rate
Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz



Well, after this i asked or it was possible to add the HD options Manualy to force my samsung avr hw-c500. I allready new that my receiver was capable because i checked it out with a ps3 slim which can bitstream (samsung doesn't mention it and don't answers questions just as Sapphire...next time a choose a descent company who actually cares about there customers).

And after that installed the new forced monitor driver, did a reboot et voila...DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD at the sound options from windows (even 7.1 but that trick probably doesn't work with a 5.1 receiver ). Installed powerdvd10 after that and the third HD audio options showed up...AFTER the movie has allready started. But i've read that allready...but it was still a stretching moment after all those days...uh make that weeks. AND THERE IT FINALY WAS, the True-HD MSTR logo also with big HD-AUDIO letters.

So i've you don't mind...i'm gonna enjoy a beer and a good movie with lot's and lot's of noisy moments...againg thanks to Tulli....you the man


Edit: And for the record: Clean install of Windows 7 Ultimate x64,Ati Catalyst 10.7 and powerdvd10...and offcourse the fixed EDID with the extra manualy put in HD audio rules!!!!!!
post #1846 of 2707
I just bought a sapphire 5770 for my htpc and everything works fine and bitstreaming seems to work ok.

The only problem I have is when I start to play a movie I get a pop as it changes audio format. I have seen a lot of people talk about popping but most were relating to old drivers and do not specify when it happens so may be unrelated.

I am using the latest drivers and have also I tried something called ATI anti pop but it did not seem to help.

Any advice on how to eliminate this pop would be greatly appreciated.
post #1847 of 2707
Thread Starter 
If you hear a pop when it changes formats, then that's likely the fault of your receiver. the anti-pop tool won't help here.

The "anti-pop" tool is a bit of a misnomer actually, cause James cooked it up to deal with the silent stream issue, which is when the card cuts audio when nothing is being played, and it takes a second to reinitialize when a sound plays again. When it does, James' receiver made a pop sound, so he labeled his tool "anti-pop", but some of us with other receivers (mine is a Pioneer) don't get the pop.
post #1848 of 2707
Hmm, sounds like I will have to ask Arcam about this one. It's always been a bit buggy but I was hoping that sending it in for repair might have sorted everything out.

Thanks for the advice
post #1849 of 2707
FYI the "ATI HDMI Output sound driver = "Not Plugged In" after Reboot" bug for some seems to have been fixed - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1234612
post #1850 of 2707
When I asked about the Arcam on AVF it was suggested that the pop I'm getting is caused by the source not muting audio while changing formats. By that I assume they mean the player which in my case would be MPC-HC.

I tried VLC and that also seems to cause a pop, any suggestions as to what to try next would be great.
post #1851 of 2707
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

If you hear a pop when it changes formats, then that's likely the fault of your receiver. the anti-pop tool won't help here.

The "anti-pop" tool is a bit of a misnomer actually, cause James cooked it up to deal with the silent stream issue, which is when the card cuts audio when nothing is being played, and it takes a second to reinitialize when a sound plays again. When it does, James' receiver made a pop sound, so he labeled his tool "anti-pop", but some of us with other receivers (mine is a Pioneer) don't get the pop.

No pop here either with my Denon 4306.
post #1852 of 2707
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Canti1982 View Post

When I asked about the Arcam on AVF it was suggested that the pop I'm getting is caused by the source not muting audio while changing formats. By that I assume they mean the player which in my case would be MPC-HC.

I tried VLC and that also seems to cause a pop, any suggestions as to what to try next would be great.

The "source" would be the HDMI device (or the driver). I doubt it is though cause we're not getting pops. IMO the receiver should be smart enough not to do that.
post #1853 of 2707
Some AVR recievers have been known to pop when changing formats, Onkyos have been known to have this problem. There may be a firmware update to fix this on your AVR.
post #1854 of 2707
Thanks for that, yes I suspect that this is the case. I will have to contact Arcam and see what they say. I suspect they will say its the graphics card or drivers so it will end up being something that I have to live with
post #1855 of 2707
I am done with both nvidia and ati for sound,

I put in the auzen xfi home theater HD card and I am more than happy.
post #1856 of 2707
With the 3x000 in Dxva mode isn't enabled some post processing filter such as enhanced details , noise filters ect. on HD material (no problems with Sd). is it the same with the 5000 series? thanks a lot.
post #1857 of 2707
ATI have finally fixed the silent stream issue in the latest leaked 8.761 Catalyst 10.8 betas. At last!!

Hopefully it'll still be fixed in the official Catalyst 10.8 release......
post #1858 of 2707
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Originally Posted by cbemoore View Post

ATI have finally fixed the silent stream issue in the latest leaked 8.761 Catalyst 10.8 betas. At last!!

Hopefully it'll still be fixed in the official Catalyst 10.8 release......

Cool, thanks.

I confirmed the ati audio driver in this beta is v7.11.0.7708 dated 7-14-2010 for the Win 7 64bit drivers.

The previous version was v7.11.0.7706 dated 5-26-2010

I just updated the audio driver using device manager and aiming it at the unpacked files since I didn't feel like swapping out the complete 10.7 driver set for the betas.

I don't use windows sounds and there doesn't appear to be a noticeable difference in Media Center for me.

Perhaps the feature doesn't work there, I remember the Slysoft hack didn't, which makes both useless to me.

When I test using the 5.1 test sounds in the configure dialog for the device in the sound panel I notice the beginning of the first (xylophone) sound is still cutoff, but the rest aren't. So I guess I see a slight improvement there (not that I care about that too much).

Anyway I'm sure those of you who have paid far more attention to this bug will chime in soon.

I'm only interested in being able to pause Recorded TV in Media Center and resume without losing audio...

See station drivers for one source of this beta.
post #1859 of 2707
These drivers are fake and custom made by some idiot named ATIMAN.

7708 is in fact a rebadged Realtek driver. It has exactly the same issues with TMT3 like all the Realtek drivers. Bitstream works as long as you don't pause, skip oder change audio tracks.
post #1860 of 2707
Thread Starter 
TMT3 can't bitstream with Realtek at all. How do you figure they're "rebadged" Realtek drivers, if that's even possible to get into the Catalyst install package?
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