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post #31 of 197
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

So..... thought I would dredge this thread up again....

I remember somewhere there was a curved cabinet statement build, I cannot for the life of me seem to find it...

Can anyone lend a hand in helping me find it....

Perhaps you mean the Unauthorized Sharkfin Statements.
post #32 of 197
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Originally Posted by PassingInterest View Post

Perhaps you mean the Unauthorized Sharkfin Statements.


Hmmm those are not what I was thinking about, but even nicer yet....

Very impressive looking - simply beautuful...

Just looking at the statements I'm not sure I could accomodate speakers such as the size of these things in my room, I think they may start to get to gawdy looking.... But I certainly like the design of the statements and a curved cab is a must....

I see there is a sealed version, I'll have to look more into that, maybe see if that would be better suited if I would do a build... I like the curved cabinet look aesthetically. - like what I have in the Sig S8's or the Klipsch Palladiums..

I obviously don't need to worry about the low end, from 120hz on down, so woofers and bass output are not my main concern for this....

Thoughts...
post #33 of 197
Don't forget that sealed Statements share the same WMTMW layout as the ported version, and they need to be put up on stands to get the tweeters at ear height.
post #34 of 197
Yes, but the stands could be part of a full range design, just blocked off on the bottom end... hmmm curious...

Was there a efficiency # of what the statements were rated at...? 90db or more...?
post #35 of 197
Right, I only mentioned it because you seemed to be hesitating a bit about the sheer size of the speakers - and with sealed the cabinets are a lot shorter but you have to raise them up again on stands so you don't gain as much as it might seem at first, depending on your room and the look you want.
post #36 of 197
I remember someone having a set of curved statements as well, but you could easily come up with your own curved profile if you wanted. The main things to keep the same is the baffle setup and overall enclosure volume. Actual curviture and depth isn't that important. If you want, contact tpremo55 over at the PE forums. Curt says he built a set.

I'm really going to shoot for a curved speaker on my next build, but I will need to find someone either local or online that can CNC a template that I can use. You planning on building it yourself or having someone do it for you?
post #37 of 197
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

I like the curved cabinet look aesthetically. - like what I have in the Sig S8's or the Klipsch Palladiums.

Totally agree. RBH made a good move switching to a curved design on their 8300 and T2 systems!
post #38 of 197
Do you have links to pics of these RBH curved cab designs... I have only seen the rounded corners and not the full on curved cabs...

thanks
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post #40 of 197
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Originally Posted by stgdz View Post

Curt, I don't have the space to run the statement monitors as surrounds and I need something that is one wall or near wall.

What would you suggest as a good surround. I currently have the Dayton2's and they are a little bit weak for me, yes they can go loud but they don't offer the same listening experience as my dayton 3's(I have switched them around in both fronts and rears).

I have considered either the khan in neatos or the natp's both with the RS28fabric tweeter. Would those be a good match for the statements?

Stgdz,

I think Jeffc did an on wall surround that is similar to the Statements. I believe is was planning on building the Statements eventually, but started with these. His build thread is here

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post16330119


but is a little older (about 1 year). They are larger surrounds with a 3 way design, but at least they are on wall. He does have some plans listed but the finished speakers were a little different. I think Rick Selah did the crossovers, so you would have to contact him to see if you could buy the crossovers as well. I'm thinking of building these (eventually) as well.

Hope this helps,

Darren A.
post #41 of 197
warp...are you thinking about upgrading your mains?
post #42 of 197
I'll add to the dredge... good to hear all the positive words, since I've just about got all the stuff together to build the mini-statements, 3 across for surround...

Should start cutting wood in a few weeks...
post #43 of 197
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

warp...are you thinking about upgrading your mains?

It was more of an exercise in sound project type of thing. I have the tools. I actually have a buddy that I was showing the speakers to and he was interested in trying to build them to possibly replace his mains. Studio 100's.

Who we'll see where it goes if anywhere.
post #44 of 197
I know this is apples / oranges, but how would you compare the Statements to something such as the Ewaves / No Quarters?

Has anyone heard both?
I would love to hear the comparison.

I am desperately in need of some new mains, and I have been back and forth on which ones. For me Music>everything else though movies/video games are a very close second.

Max
post #45 of 197
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Originally Posted by 3AMRecords View Post

I know this is apples / oranges, but how would you compare the Statements to something such as the Ewaves / No Quarters?

Has anyone heard both?
I would love to hear the comparison.

I am desperately in need of some new mains, and I have been back and forth on which ones. For me Music>everything else though movies/video games are a very close second.

Max

To further confuse you I would suggest looking at Clearwaves 4T and 4CC. They are a reasonable size and sound great.
post #46 of 197
So I'm thinking "hmmm ... wonder what these mini-statements look like" ... googled them and found the link..



Those are "mini"!?
post #47 of 197
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Originally Posted by soundemon View Post
Lots of build threads on HT guide.com, and many posts by the creators Jim and Curt.

I'm running the full size statements, which were a challenging but very fun build, and they sound amazing. great clarity, deep bass, and huge soundstage.

Commercially I'm not sure what I'd compare these to, but when I'm demoing at hifi shops, nothing but the very best makes me think: "I'd lose the statements to run these". JAS audio Plato, PMC EB1i etc.

I like them more than Paradigm S8, B&W 803 etc.
Ben,

I'm curious, did you order all the items from Parts-Express or did you find them somewhere locally?

Steve
post #48 of 197
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post
So I'm thinking "hmmm ... wonder what these mini-statements look like" ... googled them and found the link..



Those are "mini"!?
How about the statement monitors; they are kind of small?
LL
post #49 of 197
As Einstein used to say: "Its all relative." In this case, the Statements came out as the first design. The Mini's came out later as a downscale version that only gave up a small amount in performance to their older sibling...

You can see pics of all the Statement series as well as other designs at my Speaker Design Works website.

C

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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

So I'm thinking "hmmm ... wonder what these mini-statements look like" ... googled them and found the link..



Those are "mini"!?
post #50 of 197
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I am suppose to be selling off my Energy RC-10 and RC-30 then upgrade to this, and am sure it will be a noticeable upgrade.
post #51 of 197
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Originally Posted by cc00541 View Post

As Einstein used to say: "Its all relative." In this case, the Statements came out as the first design. The Mini's came out later as a downscale version that only gave up a small amount in performance to their older sibling...

You can see pics of all the Statement series as well as other designs at my Speaker Design Works website.

C

Yeah, if/when I go back to floor standing speakers I may consider DIY. The mini's in the picture look stunning.
post #52 of 197
Is there a kit that I can buy to build the Statements. I'm nowhere near capable of making the crossovers...
post #53 of 197
Actually, if you don't find building the enclosures daunting, I'm certain you will find the crossovers equally easy. If not drop me an email...

Curt C
post #54 of 197
I'm really thinking of using Statement Monitors all the way around for my living room HT, though I seriously lust for the full size Statements. Unfortunately, it would be extremely hard to put them at the recommended distance from the rear wall.
post #55 of 197
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Originally Posted by cc00541 View Post

Actually, if you don't find building the enclosures daunting, I'm certain you will find the crossovers equally easy. If not drop me an email...

Curt C

Definitely Email Curt. Even with a complete schematic I can not build an XO board as nice as Curt does. Sometimes its worth it to pay others

This reminds me that I have to check in on htguide.com PMs.
post #56 of 197
its not like you are ever going to see the crossovers though. Just make certain you space your coils appropriately.


Crossovers are easy and its funny to see how small of a gage some of the pro speakers use in their crossover connections. I always worried about gage until I saw my QSC crossovers.
post #57 of 197
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Originally Posted by supermoore1025 View Post

I am suppose to be selling off my Energy RC-10 and RC-30 then upgrade to this, and am sure it will be a noticeable upgrade.

I'm curious about this too. Can anyone that has heard the Mini Statements compare them to Energy's RC line?
post #58 of 197
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Originally Posted by Maxjr View Post

I'm curious about this too. Can anyone that has heard the Mini Statements compare them to Energy's RC line?

I'm sure it would absolutely kill them. I'm currently running the RC-70s off a Denon 3311. I haven't heard the Statements and would really love to if someone in SoCal would be willing to give me and some friends a listen. Recently a few people in WI had a GTG comparing the Salk Sound HT2-TL ($4K+) and the Ascend Towers(~$2k). These are both ID companies and are well known for their excellent speakers, ranking among the highest in value/$. I posted in that thread wondering how the Statements would compare with speakers such as those since building a pair of Statements should run somewhere around $2k.

Is there anyone around the WI area willing to participate in a future GTG comparing some of the best speakers available? Linky
post #59 of 197
wow...those statements look great.

how come no one building them here? is it the price?

from what i've read, a pair of mini statements should be around $600?
post #60 of 197
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post


how come no one building them here? is it the price?

I think the general population here tends more towards home theater oriented speakers and subwoofers when compared against the HTG forum.
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