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What does jim holtz mini statements speakers compare to commercially?

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I was wondering what these speakers compare to? I am a newb at this and this will be my first diy speaker, so I have to learn sometime right lol
 
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Lots of build threads on HT guide.com, and many posts by the creators Jim and Curt.


I'm running the full size statements, which were a challenging but very fun build, and they sound amazing. great clarity, deep bass, and huge soundstage.


Commercially I'm not sure what I'd compare these to, but when I'm demoing at hifi shops, nothing but the very best makes me think: "I'd lose the statements to run these". JAS audio Plato, PMC EB1i etc.


I like them more than Paradigm S8, B&W 803 etc.
 
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Originally Posted by soundemon /forum/post/18099768


Lots of build threads on HT guide.com, and many posts by the creators Jim and Curt.


I'm running the full size statements, which were a challenging but very fun build, and they sound amazing. great clarity, deep bass, and huge soundstage.


Commercially I'm not sure what I'd compare these to, but when I'm demoing at hifi shops, nothing but the very best makes me think: "I'd lose the statements to run these". JAS audio Plato, PMC EB1i etc.


I like them more than Paradigm S8, B&W 803 etc.

Thanks for the great information, I think I might plan on building the mini statements.
 
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one demo guy built them for his demo showroom, he had comments that they sounded better then magnepans.



What do people mean by soundstage also? I know the midbass tunnel really does a lot for the statements and people always say the soundstage is great but I never knew what that meant.
 
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Originally Posted by stgdz /forum/post/18101749


What do people mean by soundstage also? I know the midbass tunnel really does a lot for the statements and people always say the soundstage is great but I never knew what that meant.

By soundstage people mean accurate reproduction of live music, the way the positioning of instruments is reproduced by the speakers.
 
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Originally Posted by soundemon /forum/post/18099768


Lots of build threads on HT guide.com, and many posts by the creators Jim and Curt.


I'm running the full size statements, which were a challenging but very fun build, and they sound amazing. great clarity, deep bass, and huge soundstage.


Commercially I'm not sure what I'd compare these to, but when I'm demoing at hifi shops, nothing but the very best makes me think: "I'd lose the statements to run these". JAS audio Plato, PMC EB1i etc.


I like them more than Paradigm S8, B&W 803 etc.

That is a bold statement, (no pun intended). But I guess that is the idea behind the name. If I said I was only kind of sure I was going to build a pair of these, I would be lying. I just looked down at the printed spec's from Jim's website. I Definitely plan on building a pair of these.

Some of the best sounding speakers I have heard are the B&W 803's IMO, they were on a showroom floor each with their own MC275 pushing them. I was really blown away when I heard them. To hear that the statements can hang with those makes me want them even more. Knowing that I can build even somewhat close to the sound of a speaker that they were asking about 8k each also makes me happy.


Maxwell
 
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I built the Mini Statements and the matching Statement center.

The choice of drivers by Jim and the crossover design by Curt work very well together.

Prior to these I was using a full PSB set up including the 6T towers , 9C center , and 2B bookshelves for surrounds.

I sold the PSB's shortly after hearing the Statement's






edited to correct 6T model number
 
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Originally Posted by Th3_uN1Qu3 /forum/post/18102102


By soundstage people mean accurate reproduction of live music, the way the positioning of instruments is reproduced by the speakers.

Thanks, the best speakers that I ever heard were some kef refernce MTM's. They had a bar that connected the two woofers together but man did they ever sound good and now I know what you mean by sound stage. When I moved from left to right it felt like I was at a concert.


I don't listen to much live music and instead just do home theater. Been looking at the statements but have also been looking at doing some diy waveguides.
 
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I have built the Statements/Mini Statements/Statements Center for a home theater setup. These are incredible speakers and work well for both HT and music. I don't know of anyone who has built them and is not satisfied. I don't have too much experience with high end designs, but I know they make even the best/most expensive units at the local Best Buy Magnolia sound like trash.


Now the next part is self serving:


Not sure if anyone would be interested, but I'm actually selling my entire Statements lineup of speakers so I can continue doing the DIY thing. Limited room in the house so these have to go first. I'm located around Dallas and my asking price is cheaper than you can build it yourself. If anyone is interested shoot me a PM.
 
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Originally Posted by 3AMRecords /forum/post/18104517


Some of the best sounding speakers I have heard are the B&W 803's IMO, they were on a showroom floor each with their own MC275 pushing them. I was really blown away when I heard them. To hear that the statements can hang with those makes me want them even more. Knowing that I can build even somewhat close to the sound of a speaker that they were asking about 8k each also makes me happy.


Maxwell

A couple of anecdotes from the archives:


Early on in the Statement's history, a set was built by a gentleman who, if memory serves, was involved in the Houston Audiophile Society. I apologize for not remembering his name. As I recall, he had access to, or was familiar with, many high end commercial designs. In an email, he compared the Statements sound quality to commercial designs costing $10K. He also indicated that when the Statements were demonstrated at one of their meetings, enough interest was generated to spawn the construction of Statements for two other members.


Another gentleman from Rio de Janeiro built the MiniStatements, and reported they sounded far better than his friend's $8K commercial speakers. (He told me what they were at the time, but I've long since forgotten.) -He was so happy with them, that he then built the Statements.


I think you will find the Statement's voicing sounds less colored than the 803's


C
 
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Max ,

I have had no problem exceeding reference at 11 feet using a Marantz receiver but I am going to drive them with a crown xls-402 soon. I just scored one for a song today.
 
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I keep trying to convince myself to build the full blown Statements but I just cant find a reason to other than just to spend money .
 
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Originally Posted by Rightbrained /forum/post/18111891


I keep trying to convince myself to build the full blown Statements but I just cant find a reason to other than just to spend money .

buy once cry once?


They are only a couple hundred more then the mini's, for me it would always nag me.
 
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Originally Posted by Looneybomber /forum/post/18111488


Now if only the center was deeper, I could put my TV on it.

And your LCD TV is how deep?
 
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Originally Posted by Rightbrained /forum/post/18111891


I keep trying to convince myself to build the full blown Statements but I just cant find a reason to other than just to spend money .

There is a good reason to choose the Statements and that is the increased Sd of the woofers. They impose a certain tactile presence in the upper bass that the Mini's can't quite recreate.


I know which one I'd build...



C
 
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Originally Posted by cc00541 /forum/post/18112745


There is a good reason to choose the Statements and that is the increased Sd of the woofers. They impose a certain tactile presence in the upper bass that the Mini's can't quite recreate.


I know which one I'd build...



C

But a subwoofer can. For home theater users who have subwoofers already I think the Mini-Statements are perfect...unless the room is unusually large.


Even the Statements aren't going to reproduce the low-end bass in movies properly so the Mini's seem like the best bang for your buck if you're in this category.
 
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Originally Posted by Danielson99 /forum/post/18112851


But a subwoofer can. For home theater users who have subwoofers already I think the Mini-Statements are perfect...unless the room is unusually large.


Even the Statements aren't going to reproduce the low-end bass in movies properly so the Mini's seem like the best bang for your buck if you're in this category.

I built the sealed Statements and will vouch for Curt's comment. The tactile response in the upper bass blew my mind in switching from the Magnepans. I'd listen to what the designer has to say. I reinforce the lowest octave with a Velodyne DD-18 sub but the upper bass needs nothing and they integrate extremely well.
 
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