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post #1591 of 1992
Your welcome. Hope you enjoy your PJ as much as I enjoy mine.
post #1592 of 1992
After researching for 8 months...

Then waiting 3 months for the price to fall back to $2500...

I'm pulling the trigger on this beast. It will be interesting to see which firmware is loaded.

My only regret is the potential prices fall in October\\November, but I can't wait any longer. I believe a good indicator of this projector's performance is how owners are selling their sp8602s.

Thanks to everyone whose contributed to this thread (read it at least 3 times), and many other thread. Each one of you has informed my decision.

Can't WAIT!!
post #1593 of 1992
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Originally Posted by projectorguy123 View Post


And with the games I've tried so far I haven't seen any rainbow effects, no matter if white or dark colors dominate the screen.

Ya, I find that interesting. At 4x I've seen RBE with movies but not games.
post #1594 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Mr. Neverbicker View Post

Just the lamp? Infocus walked me through some steps over the phone and then determined it could be the lamp or something else. They said I could replace the lamp first before sending it in, and if the lamp wasn't the problem, I'd have a spare. So I replaced the lamp and the PJ still needed to go in for repair. At least it's up and running for you now.

Infocus support walked me through various checks as well. Never suggested it might be the lamp. Different support person, I guess.

Working fine now, except the wireless mouse for my HTPC seems to shut the projector off every once in a while. Not sure how that could be since the mouse is RF and the projector remote is IR. Or it could be the wireless mouse waking the HTPC from sleep, and the wake is causing a connection issue that shuts down the projector.
post #1595 of 1992
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Originally Posted by claw View Post

Infocus support walked me through various checks as well. Never suggested it might be the lamp. Different support person, I guess.

Working fine now, except the wireless mouse for my HTPC seems to shut the projector off every once in a while. Not sure how that could be since the mouse is RF and the projector remote is IR. Or it could be the wireless mouse waking the HTPC from sleep, and the wake is causing a connection issue that shuts down the projector.

By default, "auto off" is enabled in the menu. Be sure to turn it off. This happened to me and per Infocus it will sometimes cause a shutdown of the projector with an "active" input.
post #1596 of 1992
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Originally Posted by SauceXX View Post

Ya, I find that interesting. At 4x I've seen RBE with movies but not games.

Well, my report is only based on a sample of movies so far. I haven't watched a full movie, so I should probably report back after I have seen a few.

I have watched an hour of an HD TV channel, and almost an hour of BBC's The Blue Planet. With both viewings I didn't notice any rainbows. Both were being displayed at 1080i when I checked the projector's mode.

That's a good sign for me, since I was worried about the rainbow problem before buying a DLP projector, so I figured I would be susceptible to noticing the artifact. But I haven't noticed any rainbows playing high-speed games (at 60hz) from the PC and Xbox360.

Also, I don't know if I'm running at 4X or 6X. I think 4X since the projector is in low-power mode, but I could be wrong. I'll double-check later this evening and see.

The one time I believe I saw a rainbow was when I was turning my head quickly while viewing, but can't remember if that was during a video game or movie/HDTV. I tried again later to duplicate the effect but couldn't reproduce it while turning my head.
post #1597 of 1992
Hi to all SP8602 owners,
please, can you give me a hand on my question about placement / offset and lens shift -> so will the 8602 fit into my home theater ?

I searched the web for hours but I can't find the right information

*) I will mount the PJ on the ceiling and my mount is about 23cm / 9 high (or let's say below ceiling) - if necessary it should be possible to change this in some way

*) My screen is about 255cm / 100 wide and about 143cm / 56 high

*) The screen starts about 40cm / 16 below the ceiling

*) The projector mount is fixed to a rail -> with this a can vary the distance from the screen from about 305cm / 120 to 455cm / 180

So the question is:
Without using keystone or other tricks - is it possible to use this PJ in my HT, or will I have problems with the offset of the PJ to the screen, or any other problems

THANX in advance!
post #1598 of 1992
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Originally Posted by heino69 View Post

Hi to all SP8602 owners,
please, can you give me a hand on my question about placement / offset and lens shift -> so will the 8602 fit into my home theater ?

I searched the web for hours but I can't find the right information

*) I will mount the PJ on the ceiling and my mount is about 23cm / 9 high (or let's say below ceiling) - if necessary it should be possible to change this in some way

*) My screen is about 255cm / 100 wide and about 143cm / 56 high

*) The screen starts about 40cm / 16 below the ceiling

*) The projector mount is fixed to a rail -> with this a can vary the distance from the screen from about 305cm / 120 to 455cm / 180

So the question is:
Without using keystone or other tricks - is it possible to use this PJ in my HT, or will I have problems with the offset of the PJ to the screen, or any other problems

THANX in advance!

From your description..you'll be fine. No worries!
post #1599 of 1992
GREAT- Thanx!

Maybe you can help me also to avoid reading all 1500 posts in this thread for just 2 questions:

1.) In low lamp mode - how is the noise level (read something that it's quite loud..)
2.) My strongest concern is RBE:
2.1) I had already LCD (i can't life with shading)
afterwards a
2.2.) Samsung DLP - I really like DLP BUT I noticed the RBE (B/W scenes like casino royale) and now
2.3.) I own a Sony VW60 - I'm not happy with dark scenes (image noise) and very limited brightness

so my next try will be this one - so i hope RBE is really eliminated ;-)

Thanx,
post #1600 of 1992
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Originally Posted by TheDeliverator View Post

After researching for 8 months...

Then waiting 3 months for the price to fall back to $2500...

I'm pulling the trigger on this beast. It will be interesting to see which firmware is loaded.

My only regret is the potential prices fall in October\\November, but I can't wait any longer. I believe a good indicator of this projector's performance is how owners are selling their sp8602s.

Thanks to everyone whose contributed to this thread (read it at least 3 times), and many other thread. Each one of you has informed my decision.

Can't WAIT!!

Welcome to the thread! You'll wonder why you waited so long! I don't think the prices are going to fall any time soon. The Infocus units hold value well!
Until I see something that does an all around better job at putting an image on the screen and not slightly incremental, it will be my main stay. There are slim pickings in this price range as you've discovered and new releases don't always equate to better..have fun!
post #1601 of 1992
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Originally Posted by heino69 View Post

GREAT- Thanx!

Maybe you can help me also to avoid reading all 1500 posts in this thread for just 2 questions:

1.) In low lamp mode - how is the noise level (read something that it's quite loud..)
2.) My strongest concern is RBE:
2.1) I had already LCD (i can't life with shading)
afterwards a
2.2.) Samsung DLP - I really like DLP BUT I noticed the RBE (B/W scenes like casino royale) and now
2.3.) I own a Sony VW60 - I'm not happy with dark scenes (image noise) and very limited brightness

so my next try will be this one - so i hope RBE is really eliminated ;-)

Thanx,

Using the projector in 4x CW with 24Hz content the noise level isn't bad.
It's been a while since I played with the VW60s. From memory I think the Sony is noisier in high mode. I noticed RBE when the lamp was new on the 8602. As the lamp has aged a bit(336 hours now) I see it rarely, it doesn't distract my viewing and I'm very sensitive to RBE. I can go entire movies and never see it.

Of course, the SP8602 is leagues brighter! Black levels are comparable, you get a much brighter image with the Infocus though. It gives you more of a sense of depth and better sharpness. I like the Sonys, but they are just a little soft. I still find them sharper than the JVCs IMHO. I've not notice any noise in the dark scenes. Image noise is very clean on these projectors.
post #1602 of 1992
OK, so using CW at x6 it's getting louder, right?
So maybe one option is to use x6 CW for RBE sensitive movies with B/W content and life with some additional noise and use the standard x4 CW for the majority of movies...
post #1603 of 1992
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Originally Posted by heino69 View Post

OK, so using CW at x6 it's getting louder, right?
So maybe one option is to use x6 CW for RBE sensitive movies with B/W content and life with some additional noise and use the standard x4 CW for the majority of movies...

lol...you may not see them at all. I've used 6x CW only a few days out of the several months I've owned this unit.That being only within the first week of owning it. Since then, I've not used it at all. Chances are you won't need it once your brain adjust and the lamp ages a little, and that is if you see them at all. Yes it is louder at 6x CW, I haven't tried 6x CW at 24Hz. I may try it tonight.
post #1604 of 1992
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Originally Posted by heino69 View Post
*) The projector mount is fixed to a rail -> with this a can vary the distance from the screen from about 305cm / 120 to 455cm / 180
On a rail! Great. I've researched a little on this very subject. Would you mind sharing how you accomplished.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post
Welcome to the thread! You'll wonder why you waited so long! I don't think the prices are going to fall any time soon. The Infocus units hold value well!
Until I see something that does an all around better job at putting an image on the screen and not slightly incremental, it will be my main stay. There are slim pickings in this price range as you've discovered and new releases don't always equate to better..have fun!
Good to hear. I'm sure I'll have a few questions moving forward. I'll be using a HTPC, so I'll want to make sure I get the RBG color settings correct.
post #1605 of 1992
Quote:

Good to hear. I'm sure I'll have a few questions moving forward. I'll be using a HTPC, so I'll want to make sure I get the RBG color settings correct.

Yeah its tricky with the HTPC. lol
Your calibration will vary depending on the color space modes(video card/projector) and software player you use.
post #1606 of 1992
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Originally Posted by TheDeliverator View Post
On a rail! Great. I've researched a little on this very subject. Would you mind sharing how you accomplished.
I hope rail was the right word, but as you can imagine I'm not a native speaker

Take a look at the attachment...
LL
post #1607 of 1992
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Originally Posted by heino69 View Post
I hope rail was the right word, but as you can imagine I'm not a native speaker

Take a look at the attachment...
Perfect. Thank you.

Do you have a mechanism that locks the mount in place (to keep it from sliding on the rail)?
post #1608 of 1992
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Originally Posted by TheDeliverator View Post

Perfect. Thank you.

Do you have a mechanism that locks the mount in place (to keep it from sliding on the rail)?

we are a little OT, i hope it's OK...

Sure, I can fix the mount with the 2 small screws (you can see it on the picture)

In fact this is just a universal PJ mount welded to a rail which is normally used for a sliding door (you can buy it in a home improvement store)

Easy, cheap but working for me
post #1609 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post

[...] Yes it is louder at 6x CW, I haven't tried 6x CW at 24Hz. I may try it tonight.

6x CW @24Hz is just a littler bit louder than 4x/24
if you're not directly besides the pj you won't notice
(at least on my unit).
post #1610 of 1992
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Originally Posted by meinkino View Post

6x CW @24Hz is just a littler bit louder than 4x/24
if you're not directly besides the pj you won't notice
(at least on my unit).

if noise is not the problem for your installation (not sitting directly under or beside the PJ), is there any reason why step back to x4, or let's say - why is x6 not the default or even only speed setting on this PJ?
post #1611 of 1992
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Originally Posted by heino69 View Post

if noise is not the problem for your installation (not sitting directly under or beside the PJ), is there any reason why step back to x4, or let's say - why is x6 not the default or even only speed setting on this PJ?

One of the original designers(Tibia) posted early in this thread about this subject. Here are his comments. "At 1080p60 SP8602 colorwheel spins 7200rpm at the default 4X. When Fast Color Refresh (6X) is chosen it spins 10800rpm. Yes, it is a bit louder with a high pitched whine. This is normal behavior The Fast Color Refresh option is there for those users who are overly sensitive to rainbow artifacts. Otherwise it is best to leave Fast Color Refresh off. SP8602 colorwheel is sync'd to the DMD refresh rate so when presented with a 1080p24 input signal it spins at 5760rpm (4X) and 8640rpm (6X). This is why you don't hear the colorwheel when displaying 1080p24 even when set to the 6X Fast Color Refresh.

DMD's have a minimum requirement for load time. This is the time required for data to be loaded into the DMD for each colorwheel segment. At the 6X speed load time is challenged with the result that some color detail may be compromised in low APL scenes. For example, a SP8602 colorwheel red segment is 62 degrees wide. At 6X and 1080p60 input that only allows for a maximum of 957 micro seconds for data loading. Actually it is even less than that because of spoke light and other considerations
."

I've tried the 6x CW at 60hz, I didn't see any difference in image quality.With 24Hz input, the data loading should be better than 60Hz when operating at 6x CW.
post #1612 of 1992
Thanx a lot Joesyah!

BTW - Today I ordered this PJ for about €1.000,- (2 week ago it was at €2.000,-) - I think you can't make anything wrong for this price ;-)
post #1613 of 1992
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Originally Posted by heino69 View Post

Thanx a lot Joesyah!

BTW - Today I ordered this PJ for about €1.000,- (2 week ago it was at €2.000,-) - I think you can't make anything wrong for this price ;-)

That is a steal!!!! I'm envious! If my calculations are correct , that's under $1500 USD. At that price this projector has no competition!
post #1614 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post

I've tried the 6x CW at 60hz, I didn't see any difference in image quality.With 24Hz input, the data loading should be better than 60Hz when operating at 6x CW.

I used to be (with older chip processors) that faster CW speeds increased dithering/noise. So look for that (you might have to walk up to the screen and switch speeds while looking at dithering/noise in the shaded/shadow areas). with the new faster processors, it might not be noticeable anymore.

Also, lumens is usually reduced at faster CW speeds (hence the reason Business PJ's have 2x CW speeds). There's the thought that the sp8602 bumps the lamp up when switching to 6x to compensate, but I don't think that is proven?
post #1615 of 1992
It's been some time since I've looked at the SP8602 thread. I noticed in post #1584 mention was made of "COLOR WHEEL MODULE FOR ADAMS HOME(SERVICE)" and someone wondered about "Adams."

At the time SP8602 was under development InFocus was assigning code names to projects with names of various mountains. The platform upon which SP8602 was developed was called "Adams" after Mt. Adams in Washington State. There were two versions of Adams; one for business and the other for home use. Hence Adams Business, and Adams Home otherwise known as SP8602.
post #1616 of 1992
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Originally Posted by SauceXX View Post

Ya, I find that interesting. At 4x I've seen RBE with movies but not games.

To update from my last response, I finally observed a RBE while gaming with the SP8602, running the PC game STALKER: Call of Pripyat (it's a Ukrainian FPS adventure game). My SP8602 was in low-power lamp mode and fast-color refresh was off.

I've bolded the summary of what triggered the effect below if people wanted to skip the gaming-related backstory.

In the game I was creeping around in the lair of some mutants (abandoned train-car loading area) and was using a night-vision device, since regular light would attract the mutants' attention. The night-vision effect gives the screen a greenish tint effect. Because it was almost pitch-black in the room the details in the room were barely visible. There was only one in-game light-source in the room but it was far overhead.

I first noticed the RBE effect when I had to turn on my in-game headlamp with the nightvision, after the mutants made me drop my assault rifle (they have telekinetic powers). The combination of the green-tint effect on the dark room, and the concentrated illumination from my headlamp on small sections of the room in range of the lamp (like railings, chains, etc.) would trigger the RBE, especially if I was viewing a lit item in the middle of the screen then rotating the view quickly.

Due to the in-game conditions to simulate a night-vision device the rendered screen was reduced to two color-shades: light pale green for lit items, and darkish-green for non-lit items. Perhaps this reduced color range also contributed to the RBE at the time.

Fortunately that was the only brief time I noticed the RBE. Prior to the mutant raid I was playing a mission (also at night) in a wide-open quarry, using night-vision to stalk some hostile bandit snipers that were causing problems in the area. I was using the night-vision most of the time and didn't have to turn on the head-lamp. Being outside there was more ambient light from the sky so the night-vision worked a little better.

My eyes were getting tired, too, so wonder if that also contributed to me finally noticing the RBE effect. I tried to duplicate the in-game effect a few minutes ago, though currently I have more daylight streaming into my viewing room. I wasn't able to see the RBE effect in the game scene (possibly due to the brighter conditions in my viewing room).

So far I consider this incident to be _very_ minor, as if the RBE was a big problem with the SP8602 then I would be seeing the artifact every couple of minutes no matter what scene was being displayed.

Can a RBE effect be caught on digital camera? I may try to duplicate the experience later with a small 60fps camera I have to see if it can pick up the effect.
post #1617 of 1992
Today I've also ordered one SP8602 in Germany for 999 (that's actual 1,435 US$). This price is really compellingly - I guess, can't do anything wrong with.
post #1618 of 1992
@ Harry
Aren't these compatibly world wide? If so ...it may be better for those in the states to pick their's up in Europe!
Where is the deal on it in Germany?
It may kill the warranty for us in the states? At that price..yeah..you'll be more than satisfied!
Jeez..you guys are pouring salt in the wound! lol
Original MSRP on this projector was $5000!!
post #1619 of 1992
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Originally Posted by tibia View Post

It's been some time since I've looked at the SP8602 thread. I noticed in post #1584 mention was made of "COLOR WHEEL MODULE FOR ADAMS HOME(SERVICE)" and someone wondered about "Adams."

At the time SP8602 was under development InFocus was assigning code names to projects with names of various mountains. The platform upon which SP8602 was developed was called "Adams" after Mt. Adams in Washington State. There were two versions of Adams; one for business and the other for home use. Hence Adams Business, and Adams Home otherwise known as SP8602.


Great backgound info. Thanks.

I'm just going to pretend that everyone finding those crazy low prices are delusional. I could have three of them for what I paid. But I'm still glad I got it when I did, even if I paid more.
post #1620 of 1992
Can someone PM me the link where you got it at this price?
Also, is the warranty still valid in the US for this purchase?
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