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post #241 of 1992
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Originally Posted by mprice68 View Post

I just put mine up this morning and iRis is very quick the projector is huge bigger then the jvc it is quiet it's above my head about 6 ft away and I don't hear anything. compared to my 7210 blacks are great 3 d depth on startrek is amazing the images almost don't look real. The only thing that concerns me is the motion smoothing it seems to act like a lcd on sports I am still tweaking. Keep you guys posted

Personally I turn motion smoothing off for movies as it adds jutter to fast moving objects which is quite noticeable.
post #242 of 1992
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Originally Posted by SaintJD View Post

Funny how so many companies put special features on their hardware that obviously don't work perfectly!

First, thanks for the great overview of your initial impressions. As far as creative frame interpolation, there's really only so much that can be derived from the limited frame rate to create fluid motion from fast-moving objects. It would be nice if some functionality were implemented to reduce or disable the effect for the frames which are struggled with. That would be a great fix.
post #243 of 1992
Regarding CFI I have to say that till now the only machine that gets it right is the Sony VW85.. and from what I read the JVC 990 (950 as well?)


We have put at my dealer the Sony next to various projectors and even some with CFI (e.g. Optoma) and the Sony always has the best CFI and smoothest motion in general.

I currently own an IN83 and although I like Sony's CFI there are aspects of IN83 that I find much much better to let go.


As most my wish was that this new Infocus was an improved IN83 in blacks with motorized lenses and good motion. It seems that it has all those improvements but the jury is still out regarding motion judder and how they deal with it. Maybe they could update the firmware and improve on it further.

We'll see...
post #244 of 1992
Anyone know of any comprehensive review posts ?
post #245 of 1992
I like the 8602, it is better than my X10(offcourse), but not that much.
I like:

* smothness in films (this is what i noticed the most)
* sharpness (X10 was sharp also, but this is corner to corner sharp)
* blacks
* colors
* Lens Shift
* Very "calm" picture (hard to describe, but it has a comfortable feel to it)

do not like:

* The touchbuttons on the remote
* The sound of the Autoiris working (I turned my off)
* The blue light in the lens (but it can also be turned off)

I will read trough the manual tonight and see if there is anything significant that I have missed.
I got a good deal on the 8602, otherwise I would have kept my X10.

sorry for my bad english
post #246 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

sorry for my bad english

English was very good.
post #247 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

I like the 8602, it is better than my X10(offcourse), but not that much.
I like:

* smothness in films (this is what i noticed the most)
* sharpness (X10 was sharp also, but this is corner to corner sharp)
* blacks
* colors
* Lens Shift
* Very "calm" picture (hard to describe, but it has a comfortable feel to it)

do not like:

* The touchbuttons on the remote
* The sound of the Autoiris working (I turned my off)
* The blue light in the lens (but it can also be turned off)

I will read trough the manual tonight and see if there is anything significant that I have missed.
I got a good deal on the 8602, otherwise I would have kept my X10.

sorry for my bad english

I agree with all of your comments except one. My iris works completely transparently. Its on "auto" and I never notice it working or hear it at all.

However, the buttons on the remote need some sort of indents or "nubs" to differentiate the arrow buttons. I have programed them into a universal remote. Although its a neat feature I have also programmed the illuminated lens ring to off.
I also got a deal to good to pass up on this unit. They can be quite heavily discounted. Overall I am very happy with this projector!
post #248 of 1992
Now I have a problem with mine.
I can´t turn it off.
The buttons on the remote and the buttons on the projector does not respond.
What should I do?
post #249 of 1992
I pulled the cord.
Restarted the unit, everything seemed ok.
Turn it off quickly and let the fans cool the lamp.

I really hope this was a one time thing.
Lamps are too expensive for theese things to happen.
post #250 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

I pulled the cord.
Restarted the unit, everything seemed ok.
Turn it off quickly and let the fans cool the lamp.

I really hope this was a one time thing.
Lamps are too expensive for theese things to happen.

Must have been a software glitch. I had a similar experience. After only several hours of use mine went black and the wrench icon was illuminated. After turning if off a waiting a few minutes (as the manual directed), I tried to restart it and no joy. I unplugged it and plugged it back in it worked perfectly ever since.

Joe
post #251 of 1992
This does not appear to be a good sign at all. I wouldn`t worry about lamp damage from a few instances on a particular machine but the fact that it happened to two machines from the very few owners posting here is a significant sign of a problem somewhere in the unit`s design rather than a defect with a particular machine. Obviously, Infocus should have taken longer in bringing the profduct to market in order to do some or more field beta testing where this problem would have been disclosed and hopefully rectified. It never pays to rush and hopefully Infocus will learn from its haste. Yuk. Yuk. If it happens again, return the machine. Your call whether its a defective machine or a defective design. If a defective design, there is a possibility of a software glitch which I suppose Infocus could promptly fix. Is the software upgradable in the field?
post #252 of 1992
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Originally Posted by JDecleri View Post

I agree with all of your comments except one. My iris works completely transparently. Its on "auto" and I never notice it working or hear it at all.

Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with the iris on auto. It worked really well and I was very pleased with the picture, but i can hear the iris working. I asked my friend if he could hear it and he said "sometimes".

Sound is very individual, I know, but what if it is supposed to be "soundless"? JDecleri, do you hear it at all? If you choose any of the 10 steps (10%-100%) do you here something then. A quick buzzing sound, not loud but it is there?
post #253 of 1992
Thread Starter 
well, hopefully someone will be able to help me out. I think I may actually have a faulty unit, OR I'm missing something in the settings.

I am using the Spears and Munsil HD benchmark cal bluray disc. I am having issues with setting contrast correctly...Here is a link for a reference to my problem.
http://spearsandmunsil.com/articles/...stcontrol.html

Here is my problem: When I run the contrast pattern (pluge high) the goal is to set the display at a very minimum of "reference white", but a preferred setting of up to peak white.

The SP8602 is set to 50/100 right out of the box on all settings including contrast. Set at 50 with the contrast pattern (pluge high) on the screen, I am clipping well before even reference white. I can see bars 231 and 232 with no problem, 233 is barely visible and 234 and on are completely clipped and invisible. So turning down contrast should fix this correct? WRONG, at least not on my SP8602 unit. I can turn contrast all the way to 0 and it simply dims the picture, not making any more bars visible.

note: When using the clipping pattern, all colors are 100% clipped as well (white/red/blue/green)

I dont understand it at all. I have tried everything to figure it out but can't. It says in the link I provided: "To set white level, put up the pattern and turn down Contrast until all of the white bars are visible, or as many are visible as possible. If not all the bars can be made visible, you may want to check through the settings in your display or player to see if there is a mode switch that can put the device in the proper mode to show or send the entire video range. These modes are often called things like “Level Expansion,” “Super White,” or “Headroom.”

With that said, is there a setting on the projector that I am missing that will allow it to display the entire video range? Maybe in the service menu?

currently I am doing all of the video processing through my Elite 23fd bluray player. By using the contrast controls on the bluray player, I am able to actually acheive no clipping up to peak white. The only problem with this is that when I play xbox or watch directv, the projectors picture is based on the projectors settings, not the bluray players settings...so the image is clipping pretty bad
post #254 of 1992
Use Source Direct from the Pio to give you an image straight from the disc with no processing done by the player.

Turn off the dynamic iris before adjusting brightness and contrast levels. I have a Runco LS5(Planar 8150) which has a dynamic iris and that is the advice I have read.
post #255 of 1992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by smithfarmer View Post

Use Source Direct from the Pio to give you an image straight from the disc with no processing done by the player.

Turn off the dynamic iris before adjusting brightness and contrast levels. I have a Runco LS5(Planar 8150) which has a dynamic iris and that is the advice I have read.


All adjustments were made with the iris set to 100%.

I guess I should add that I also hooked my panasonic bluray player directly to the projector with the exact same results...so I don't think it's the bluray player
post #256 of 1992
Try to change the settings for "color space" in Advance picture menu.
The default value is on "auto", but I have noticed that sometimes changing the value manually is necessary on some sources.
post #257 of 1992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

Try to change the settings for "color space" in Advance picture menu.
The default value is on "auto", but I have noticed that sometimes changing the value manually is necessary on some sources.

What exactly does this setting do?
post #258 of 1992
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by smithfarmer View Post

Use Source Direct from the Pio to give you an image straight from the disc with no processing done by the player.

Turn off the dynamic iris before adjusting brightness and contrast levels. I have a Runco LS5(Planar 8150) which has a dynamic iris and that is the advice I have read.

this did not fix the problem, thanks for the help though!

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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

Try to change the settings for "color space" in Advance picture menu.
The default value is on "auto", but I have noticed that sometimes changing the value manually is necessary on some sources.

this also did not fix the problem. This setting is actually for component sources, not hdmi.

I did manage to set contrast low enough to acheive reference white (was able to see bars 231/232/233/234/and partially 235) but nowwhere near peak white, which is the goal.

Still while looking at the clipping screen, all colors a fully clipped. I'm at a loss. On a side note, I don't even know how to keep the other colors from clipping.

This whole situation is pretty crappy.
post #259 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

Yesterday I saw the new Star Trek film with the iris on auto. It worked really well and I was very pleased with the picture, but i can hear the iris working. I asked my friend if he could hear it and he said "sometimes".

Sound is very individual, I know, but what if it is supposed to be "soundless"? JDecleri, do you hear it at all? If you choose any of the 10 steps (10%-100%) do you here something then. A quick buzzing sound, not loud but it is there?

The projector is located at the ceiling about 6' behind my seating position. If I mute the volume of the AVR I can hear the iris working but the level is well below the fan sound level and certainly not distracting at all. I do not hear it during a movie and did not notice it during my viewing of the Star Trek film. Maybe I just have a well lubricated mechanism or favorable room acoustics.
post #260 of 1992
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Originally Posted by JDecleri View Post

Must have been a software glitch. I had a similar experience. After only several hours of use mine went black and the wrench icon was illuminated. After turning if off a waiting a few minutes (as the manual directed), I tried to restart it and no joy. I unplugged it and plugged it back in it worked perfectly ever since.

Joe

I wouldn't worry about this just yet. Had the same thing happen twice in the first week I had my IN83, (although no warning light), but seemed to go away completely after that.

Obviously would be very worrying if it continued, but fingers crossed it won't.

Iris noise wise by the way I haven't heard anything.

And I have to say that, after further viewing, the removal of any sign of banding during dark scenes is a big noticeable difference to the IN83.

As far as I can see so far there has been no noticeable digital image noise in the picture, on films certainly, with motion smoothing turned off.
post #261 of 1992
Mine is about 5 feet directly over my head (viewing position).
I can hear the Iris working almost all the time when I set it on auto.
And today I sat on different positions in the room, and I still heard it.

It is not that high of a sound, but it is high enough to annoy me.
post #262 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Duddits View Post

I can hear the Iris working almost all the time when I set it on auto.
And today I sat on different positions in the room, and I still heard it.

It is not that high of a sound, but it is high enough to annoy me.

I imagine this must be one of those subjective things. I've had mine sat on a unit no more than 2ft away (temporary location) on low fan power and haven't heard anything of the iris. Of course it could be a difference in the units if yours really is pronounced. Hard to be sure.
post #263 of 1992
My projector seems to have developed an anomaly in the projected image. The image is disjointed about 6" below the top of the screen but this occurs only for moving objects. I've noticed this for a couple of movies now. At first I thought it might be the DVD I was watching but now I think its related to the processor in the projector. Just wondering if anyone else has had this experience?

Joe
post #264 of 1992
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Originally Posted by JDecleri View Post

My projector seems to have developed an anomaly in the projected image. The image is disjointed about 6" below the top of the screen but this occurs only for moving objects.

Joe

I haven't, but beginning to get a bit concerned waiting for a problem with mine now! So far I've had no issues. Fingers crossed.
post #265 of 1992
any one having issues with their projector, I suggest calling Infocus' tech support 800 number listed on their site. This way they can document the problems and get a fix in the next firmware update.
post #266 of 1992
I just discovered that the Infocus SP8602 is arriving in the UK at a price I can just about afford. Traditionally I have had DLP machines - one Mitsubishi and several Optomas. My last Optoma - the HD8200 - turned out to be a bad experience - it was my first pj with an auto iris. First was DOA and the second had an auto iris fault. Apart from that the picture was gorgeous but I just didn't have the courage to try a third machine. I bought a 2nd hand JVC RS2 and while loving the black levels have struggled with the lack of sharpness, lumens and ansi contrast 'pop'. I did demo a Benq W6500 recently, but the RS2 blew it away in almost every dept. I was shocked tbh. The Benq's black levels were simply awful and the iris was very noticeable to me. I've resigned myself to the fact that there are really no decent DLPs in my price range so I've been contemplating getting a refurb JVC RS20. This is supposed to be somewhat sharper than the RS2 and has more lumens but it's ansi contrast is reputedly only around 300:1. Obviously the RS20 has been raved about. Then I saw that the SP8602 was coming on sale at a price I can just about afford. I love the DLP look but I'm not sure I can at all live with a dynamic iris. Any more info on the iris in the SP8602 would be appreciated. There's two particular scenes that the Benq struggled with. The opening to Planet Earth as the sun rises across the globe. That just looked awful. To begin with the black in the areas of the earth in shadow appeared light grey and then as the sunlight made it's way across the earth the iris would snap open. The other scene I found to be a good test was in The Dark Knight - where the Joker is being interrogate in prison. The scene switches between the Joker sitting in the dark and the officer interrogating him who stands against a brightly lit background. Here the Benq would slowly shut its iris down and open itself up. The operation was smooth, but basically you couldn't mistake the fact that the iris was there. Could someone check out those scenes? How does the SP802 perform in them?

Ultimately though I'll have to get a demo of the SP8602 and may be pitch it against the JVC RS20. The other factor to take into account is warranty. The refurb RS20s only come with 6 months but AFAIK the SP8602 comes with a huge 5 years! It'd be nice to have that security. I'm not sure what the failure rate would be on refurb JVCs. The fact that they've gone wrong once before could make them prone again. On the other hand the fact that they've gone back to JVC and been put through their paces could indicate that they'll be okay.
post #267 of 1992
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Originally Posted by Canary_Jules View Post

The other factor to take into account is warranty. The refurb RS20s only come with 6 months but AFAIK the SP8602 comes with a huge 5 years! It'd be nice to have that security. I'm not sure what the failure rate would be on refurb JVCs. The fact that they've gone wrong once before could make them prone again. On the other hand the fact that they've gone back to JVC and been put through their paces could indicate that they'll be okay.

I would suggest reading the Infocus 5 year warranty. It is a 2 year full warranty and very limited during years 3 to 5. Adding their extended warranty can get you full coverage for 4 years.

"Parts are covered for five (5) years from date of proof of purchase, excluding the power supply, fans, color wheel and light tunnel which are covered for two (2) years. Labor is covered for two (2) years from date of proof of purchase. "

http://www.infocus.com/Support/Warra...tWarranty.aspx

New JVC projectors can get a full extended warranty that goes out to 5 years.
post #268 of 1992
Thanks. I wasn't aware of the clauses. Warranties are often slightly different here in the UK though so I'll look at the relevant info. I think I'm right though that JVC won't sell extended warranties in the UK.
post #269 of 1992
Just finished watching all of the Planet Earth Blue Rays and the opening scene with the sun rays looked great to me. I may not be as critical as others but I have no issues with the iris. From reading posts on this forum on other projectors I was a bit concerned about this unit, especially with no formal reviews. My fears as of this point are unfounded.
That being said my unit developed a banding issue. Called Infocus customer support and they said no problem, they will ship me out another new unit and pay for the return shipping.


Joe
post #270 of 1992
i want to replace my 7210, with the 8602, but it seems a couple/few guys have issues with em already, and there has been little in the way of reviews yet...
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