Official InFocus Sp8602 owners thread. - Page 21

I just don`t think this reviewer has compared these projectors under the situations he postulates. He has measured them probably under low lamp hour conditions. iThis machine is 18.5% brighter. As if that means anything. Throw 18.5 more light on the screen. Does it look 18.5% brighter. Yes Sir. BS. Increasing the light by 18.5% at the base levels we are at might make it look a tad brighter to the eye. Let`s be generous. To ones eues maybe 5% brighter. Try a test. On an ajustable iris machine adjust the iris for a 20% cut in light. You fiqure out how many iris digits that would be. One F stop cuts the light by 50%. Its a log function, its not linear.

Suppose one machine gives you 12ft lamberts on your screen and another gives you 14 ft lamberts.. That`s about a 17% increase from 12. it will only look a tiny bit brighter to your eyes. Now put out 40 ft lamberts. That will look a lot brighter but will it look double the brightness. hell we over trippled it and I bet it looks maybe 30% or so brighter. I do not have a number. Someone can look up the Planar numbers on Tom Huffman`s sight. I believe he linked it on the Planar thread. On my screen he maesured hugh Lumens. Of course the machine was low bulb hours and close throw.

Hi there Mark. I respect your projector knowledge, but have you thought about setting up a different thread based on comparing projectors and buying advice?

I'm just thinking a lot of your posts are about alternative products and/or questioning In Focus owners' definitions and knowledge of their own projectors.

My thought is that this is an "owner's" thread and, while I understand it is a good place for buyers to look for an overview of what users think before buying and they are 100% welcome, I notice a drop-off in owners and potential owners feeling they can post here without having their exact wording scrutinized.

Just a thought. Then you could pass on your knowledge to a wider range of people and let us continue our inaccurate assessments of our projector's strengths and limitations.

Trust me I post in other threads. People in this thread have asked for comparisons or for something to reinforce that spending more would be stupid. That just isn`t true. But that is not meant to belittle the Infocus, which is a fine machine and a great value.

The Dynamic Iris is always on but Adaptive Contrast and Brilliant Color remain off as I feel they are nothing more than gimmicks. What's more, Bob Williams, the former Infocus engineer behind many of their better pj's and who now works for Planar/Runco and designed the 8150/LS-5 recommends leaving leaving Brilliant Color off.

With the 7210, even when new, using the filter was optional and the main reason I used it was for better black levels. With the LS-5 I have to use it or the image is simply too bright and becomes fatiguing after an hour or so.

As for Art's reviews, let me simply say I prefer other sources that I find more reliable for accurate information concerning projector performance.

This will be my last post about the LS-5 as some 8602 owners seem to be offended by talk of other pj's in their owners thread. If you have further questions feel free to ask via a pm or take a look at the 8150 owners thread and ask a question there.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1122246

Hi,

Thanks very much for your contributions.

It's ironic that the last poster complaining about comparisons with other projectors was soliciting comparisons earlier in the thread before he pulled the trigger on an InFocus.


Larry

Can we resume the threads original topic which is the infocus sp8602 and end the belittling of the pj and other posters in this thread please, it really is unnecessary.

Have a good weekend gentlemen
Ken

I have had my replacement unit for several days now and still no lock-ups
There are some other things that annoy me, such as CFI does not work flawless with 60 hz, switching between hdmi sources takes for ever. But these things I can live with
I just saw Avatar on HD tonight, OMG such a nice picture the 8602 produces.

Hi Duddits

Glad to hear you had no lock ups. I should have my replacement by the end of next week. Thanks for getting back to us on how it was going with your replacement. Now i'm gonna to have to go open my copy of Avatar that came in the mail today.

Ken

Does your replacement have the A70 firmware?
If so I'm a little disappointed that they have not improved the HDMI sync-up speed or 60hz CFI issues. I really don't see the need for CFI at 60hz anyway. I'm still using the A65 version ans still enjoying the picture.

I have A68 version, CFI at 60hz is nice to have when playing games on the PS3 such as Battlefield 1943. I never thought that I would use this function, but in games it is wonderful.

Hi all,

I moved from a HC3100 to a SP8602 last week. I installed firmware v70 before installing it and until just yesterday, I was simply thrilled with my choice, the projector worked beatifully with no issues at all: Satellite HD and XBOX360 looked amazing

But today as I watched a complete BluRay movie with my PS3, 10 minutes into the movie I started to see flickering lines as the image shows (it is a bad photograph, so I have indicated two of the best seen flickering lines with two arrows to help you see them):

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/...b2cc16ca_b.jpg



As you can see two horizontal lines can be seen, one red in the middle, and one green below it. They cross the screen from side to side (they can be better seen against Miguel dark suit bat also against Dexter) They are small but they flicker and are extremely annoying. Even if the photo only shows clearly two, there are more like five or so grouped together. They don't come up at every scene, only now and then.

I have tried changing the HDMI cable, and all kinds of settings I have thought of in the projector (noise reduction, sharpness, smoothingm, cable length...). After intensive testing, I found out that:
-they don't seem to appear until a little time (1-5 minutes) after the projector has been turned on
-the number of lines seems to increase from that moment on
-it happens whether in 1080p24 or 1080p60
-for some mysterious reason it doesn't happen neither with the XBOX360 HDDVD, nor with my satellite HD receiver, both also in 1080p24. Yesterday I watched Batman Begins in HDDVD after seeing those lines in Bluray, and there were no problems at all

I haven't tried yet with a different Bluray player, but the fact that the problem only appears when the projector has warmed up indicates for me a problem with the projector

Any ideas? I am completely puzzled

May be a grounding issue, what else is plugged into the circuit with the ps3 and projector? are they on the same circuit ?. You could try the ps3 with a 2 prong adapter to eliminate a ground issue hope this helps.
Ken

Don't you think you may have the same issue with all your sources if the problem is with your projector ?
You may not worry about your projector, according what you describe, for me the problem is with your player i think.
Did you upgrade your ps3 with the last firmware because few people have problems with it.

Yes I have the PS3 latest firmware and even if it sounds weird because it only happens with the PS3, I think the problem is in the projector:
-firstable because even with 720p the flickering shows (and it didn't with my 720p HC3100 - same argument here about the grounding issue)
-secondly because the problem only starts one minute after turning on the projector (not the PS3), just when it warms up. During the first minute the image is perfect.

That is why I am puzzled. I only can think of the difference of the audio channels in the HDMI signal coming from the PS3 or any other "obscure" option in the HDMI protocol that the PS3 uses but not the XBOX...

Still frustrated

Try the 2 prong plug on the ps3 or make sure it's plugged in on a seperate circuit from the pj, can't hurt and this would eliminate the ground problem or help narrow the problem down.

I just tried the PS3 on a different circuit, no change . Thanks for your suggestion anyway. I am convinced there is something wrong with my unit, if not somebody else would be experiencing the same problem since it is a very typical setup (I mean PS3 as bluray player)

What happens if you try to play an .mkv file with the ps3?
Same thing?

Thanks Larry. If you read my post again I think you'll see I welcome people comparing projectors, but it has to be done in a way that is respectful to other posters.

We shouldn't belittle the views of other contributors and nit pick over whether someone was right to call something "great" or just "very good", or razor sharp, or very sharp, or inky, or very black.

That's all.

I have not tried other content than Blu Ray (games, DVDs, mkvs). I could do it but since I use the PS3 95% for movies, even if it worked it wouldn't help me much.

I'll test it today anyway to check if even with the PS3 itself, there are some contents that work and others that don't

Saint. The purpose in using descriptive words to describe PQ is ....? Many do not have the ability to take measurements even by reading the numbers off a displayed test disc. But many will give their subbjective impressions by glibbly using adjectives and without having any comparative basis for the use of those adjectives. 28 people thought it was great. One posts and if ones does its open for all to comment. It is not disrespectful to question or disagree with an assessment. I can handle your attack on me and very frankly I don`t give a damn. You are right, I have absolutely no respect for your last post. ZERO. That doesn`t mean I don`t respect you or many of your posts, but the last one. Not a chance. If you want to continue this arqument, take it off line and PM me.

->jruizcristina

Maybe it's not the best time to ask about your opinion about 8602 since you're looking for a solution for this issue, but as a HC3100 owner I would like to know if it is a really worthy upgrade, have you seen any other projectors before choosing Infocus, what screen do you have, etc. etc.?
I'm quite happy with Mitsubishi but looking for a upgrade to FullHD and I consider this Infocus and JVC HD750.

Although I can see how Mark's post might annoy you, he does have a point. If I bought the Infocus 8602 because of your hyperbole in one of your posts that stated about the auto iris: "The best thing I can say about the dynamic iris is that I haven't really noticed it doing its stuff, so it must be fairly smooth.", I'd be PO'd! Because it definitely IS noticeable. You'd have to be partially blind not to notice it and it boggles my mind how you were even able to make that statement to begin with. You weren't the only one. So even though everyone is entitled to their own opinion, poster's do have some responsibility to be as accurate as possible with their comments so that they don't mislead other members who look to owner reviews for insight.

Hi,

I think that the difference between the Infocus and the JVC is more related to the DLP - LCOS war. And the outcome depends on personal preferences and viewing conditions.

Firstable you have the DLP vs LCD look. There are people who prefer LCD/LCOS saying it is more cinematic, more relaxed to the eye, no rainbows. Others favor DLP because of the "pop&wow" factor and sharpness. Personally I like DLP a lot more than LCOS. All LCOS I have seen (Sony Ruby, JVC RS1, JVC RS20) seem completely washed out to me against my humble HC3100. That, I repeat, is completely personal and you should judge for yourself, that is something you can't read on specifications and reviews.

Secondly, viewing conditions: I have not a dedicated room, so even if it is completely light controled, the light coloured walls produce reflections. I have a Firehawk 110" screen to fight these reflections. On those particular conditions, having perfect blacks is not a critical issue for me, since even the minimal reflection is going to destroy them under a certain thresold. But lumens *are* critical. In fact that is what I didn't like about my HC3100 (aside from the resolution of course). It looked too dim in my setup

So, under those assumptions (and my $5000 budget), I knew I was looking for a very bright 1080 DLP. I also didn't want to lose image quality after the excellent HC3100. So I considered these alternatives:

-Mitsubishi HC3800: very unreliable (it seems), and image quality possibly worse than HC3100
-Optoma HD8600: not enough lens shift for me (my projector is ceiling mounted higher than the screen)
-Infocus IN83: too long throw
-Planar 85xx (can't remember the exact model): not bright enough in best mode

Unfortunately I didn't get to see any of those, my conclussions are taken from reviews, forums, etc.

So I didn't exactly have a choice. Am I happy with the upgrade? If it were not for this glitch, I would be simply thrilled. I am no expert so I can't give accurate comparison info (it is also a dangerous thing to do in this thread ) but to me it looks fabulous. I can't tell if it is because of the better resolution, better brightness (4 times more according to my non professional measurements), better image quality or may be a combination of all that but it is a joy to watch. I mean don't get too excited, I am not talking about night and day, the HC3100 looked also excellent to me, but this is better.

What I don't like: my problem , and the tons of options like CFI or dynamic iris that I know I have paid but will never use (unless they fix the dynamic iris I mean, but I doubt it)

Anyway, if you want particular details, let me know, I was in your position a couple of weeks ago and I would have surely asked a lot of questions

Having said that... please somebody help with my glitch I want to go back watching movies!!

My intent certainly is not to annoy any one but to help to the greatest degree I can. Actually I prefer DLP to DLIA or LCOS myself but that said it is relative. I would rather have a JVC RS25 or RS35 to an Infocus 8602 but not an Runco LS5. But its a matter of personal preference. Its matter of PQ priorities pure and simple and what I can afford. That shouldn`t anger or annoy any one.

Try to borrow a Ps3 from a friend and test it.
But Infocus support is superb and they will send you a new unit if it is a faulty one.

Hi Mark,

I think that your opinion only enforces that the DLP vs LCOS decision is extremely personal and nobody should take it based on other people opinions. Your position shows that you personally like DLP over DILA in a relative way. For me, having seen the RS20 side by side with the HC3100, I think it is less relative.

I remember when I was deciding between the HC3100 and the Sony Ruby. Probably you would choose the Ruby, from what I take of your position, but for me the HC3100 looked far better. But *nobody* should listen to my opinion on this, I think it is very personal.

I screwed up my last post. I meant to say I prefer an LS5 to the JVCs. This is because of the extra pop and sharpness. Sorry for my sentence structure error.

Big thanks jruizcristina for your answer.

That's what I wanted to see - a subjective opinion, but what is most important - you owned a projector before (even better, the same that I have). I look for opinions from people who upgraded, beceause when you buy a first projector it's quite normal that you're thrilled. And that's good because it's all about, but you're not reliable.

I've had LCD - an Epson TW700, but I didn't like it and sold it. I guess I'm DLP guy but all the rave about JVC makes me confused, and I want to see it in person. I hope it will happen next week.

Few months ago I saw a Sony VW85, Mits HC6800, Mits HC3800 and I if I had to I would choose HC3800, although it's the cheapest and potentially the worst among these three projectors.

Back to the Infocus - I can get it cheaper than HD750, but for the price of Infocus I can get Planar 8150 - it's not new, it's a demo unit. But what stopping me is that the Planar lamp is far more expensive.
I have 95" screen in rather dark, dedicated room so I guess the brightness is not an issue.

I won't be able to see Planar and Infocus so I guess I'll wait until I see the JVC...

I see we're still walking on glass in this thread

Well anyways i spoke to infocus today they recieved my unit with the lockup issue which the dept i delt with didn't have. They were able to confirm the lock up right away, so atleast they have a unit to work with that has this issue. They are shipping my replacement back via 1 day shipping. They would have sent the replacement unit back before i sent my unit to them but i didn't feel like tying up 5K till they recieved my unit.
Good costomer service is one of the criteria my new pj was going to have to meet allthough i had hoped i would never have to test it. So far they get a A in that dept.

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as it nothing had happened". Winston Churchill

I got a kick out of that one
Peace, Ken

Ok I spoke with Infocus technical service, they tested intensively another unit with a PS3 with no problems at all. So I think I will have my unit replaced. Question for people who have gone through this process: are your replacement units similar enough to the original in picture quality and brightness? how much of a "lotery" is it to get a replacement? Becaus I was very happy with mine if not for this problem