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post #3271 of 3820
11/26/10 at 9:24pm
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post #3272 of 3820
11/29/10 at 2:09pm
Hi all,
Have any of you noticed that when shooting 1080/60P video to the 32GB Internal Memory and you quickly Pan left or right, a notice will come up on the LCD display stating that you panned too quickly.
I do not see it in the Final Product (Video) just on the display while shooting.

Well, I purchased a Lexar "Professional 133X" SDHC "Class 10" 32GB Card for Thanksgiving. ($109.00)
First thing that I noticed is that when I am shooting Video to the Lexar SDHC Card, I can Pan and Scan as fast as I want and I do not see that notice pop up on the Display telling me that I was panning to quickly.
I would surmise that the Camcorder can write quicker to the Lexar Class 10 card than it can to the Internal 32GB Memory!

You would think that Panasonic would install fast enough Memory into the camcorder that a Class 10 card would not show up the Pan Memory!
Not a big deal, stable video (Tri-Pod) I'll shoot to the Internal memory, Fast moving/Panning and Scanning Video will go to the Lexar Card!

Bud B
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post #3273 of 3820
11/29/10 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post

Hi all,
Have any of you noticed that when shooting 1080/60P video to the 32GB Internal Memory and you quickly Pan left or right, a notice will come up on the LCD display stating that you panned too quickly.
I do not see it in the Final Product (Video) just on the display while shooting.

Well, I purchased a Lexar "Professional 133X" SDHC "Class 10" 32GB Card for Thanksgiving. ($109.00)
First thing that I noticed is that when I am shooting Video to the Lexar SDHC Card, I can Pan and Scan as fast as I want and I do not see that notice pop up on the Display telling me that I was panning to quickly.
I would surmise that the Camcorder can write quicker to the Lexar Class 10 card than it can to the Internal 32GB Memory!

You would think that Panasonic would install fast enough Memory into the camcorder that a Class 10 card would not show up the Pan Memory!
Not a big deal, stable video (Tri-Pod) I'll shoot to the Internal memory, Fast moving/Panning and Scanning Video will go to the Lexar Card!

Bud B


Hello, Bud. I own a TM700 too.
The message you are seeing is a warning (that you can disable in the Record Setup menu under Shooting Guide) that is telling you that you are panning too fast for rolling shutter type sensors like the ones in this camcorder, and that will result in a skew effect (vertical details like telephone poles will be slanting instead of straight up).

Depending on image content, sometimes this message might not always appear. The message will also not appear in standby mode (paused recording). See page 72 in your Operating Instructions manual.

I own a TM700 and it has an internal memory buffer (RAM) that it uses before writing to internal, or SD card flash memory.
It has nothing to do with memory speed, as the camcorder's buffer/flash memory transfer speed is fast enough for the highest bit rate encoding possible (averaged 28Mbps in 1080 @60p). The benefits of a very high speed SD card will be for video transfers (and also re-encoding) from internal memory to SD card, mainly.
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post #3274 of 3820
11/29/10 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Bud B View Post
Hi all,
Have any of you noticed that when shooting 1080/60P video to the 32GB Internal Memory and you quickly Pan left or right, a notice will come up on the LCD display stating that you panned too quickly.
I do not see it in the Final Product (Video) just on the display while shooting.

Well, I purchased a Lexar "Professional 133X" SDHC "Class 10" 32GB Card for Thanksgiving. ($109.00)
First thing that I noticed is that when I am shooting Video to the Lexar SDHC Card, I can Pan and Scan as fast as I want and I do not see that notice pop up on the Display telling me that I was panning to quickly.
I would surmise that the Camcorder can write quicker to the Lexar Class 10 card than it can to the Internal 32GB Memory!

You would think that Panasonic would install fast enough Memory into the camcorder that a Class 10 card would not show up the Pan Memory!
Not a big deal, stable video (Tri-Pod) I'll shoot to the Internal memory, Fast moving/Panning and Scanning Video will go to the Lexar Card!

Bud B
Interesting observation, Bud.

Do you have sustain/burst read and write speed of this class 10 device?
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post #3275 of 3820
11/29/10 at 8:57pm
Hi Alainhubert,
I checked out page 72 in the Manual about the "Shooting Guide," that is exactly what it is.
What is crazy though, is that when shooting Video (1080/60P) to the SDHC the "Camera Panning is Too Fast" does not show up.
I am confused as to why not.

Bud B
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post #3276 of 3820
11/29/10 at 9:03pm
Hi Mariner888,
You asked,
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Do you have sustain/burst read and write speed of this class 10 device?

I do not have that information but I did find very favorable reviews of the card on the web, also compared to much more expensive cards.
You could search, Lexar 32GB Professional 133X-Class 10.

Later,
Bud B
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post #3277 of 3820
11/29/10 at 10:38pm
Looks like you've picked up a good bargain.
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post #3278 of 3820
11/30/10 at 6:46pm
How do you view your video on viera tv? Do you connect your HS700 directly to TV, play the video via computer, or copy the video file on a USB and then play on the TV's USB port directly. Can viera tv directly play your .MTS/.MT2S video via its USB port? Thanks

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Originally Posted by Instig8oR View Post

Hi guys I recently bought HS-700 and I must admit I'm so happy with the quality and features of this camera. The video quality on my 42inch viera tv is simply amazing. I'm not having any issues with the "fan" as some unfortunate minority of people are having.

Can any of you please tell me what device is needed to make 2 microphone inputs to your camcorder? For example I want to hear a scanner audio AS WELL as ambient audio at the same time. My scanner only outputs on left channel. When I plug scanner into mic port, I only hear the scanner audio from the left speaker and no ambient sound.

Obviously the built-in microphones gets disabled while the scanner is connected, so is there a work around to this?

Thanks for any advice guys.
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post #3279 of 3820
11/30/10 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by garbarsarbar View Post

How do you view your video on viera tv? Do you connect your HS700 directly to TV, play the video via computer, or copy the video file on a USB and then play on the TV's USB port directly. Can viera tv directly play your .MTS/.MT2S video via its USB port? Thanks

Modern Panasonic TVs and BD players with SD card slot can play AVCHD video right off the card, and you don't need to copy anything if you shoot directly to the card. If you simply copy MTS files into the root directory of the card, it won't work.
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post #3280 of 3820
12/1/10 at 9:55am
Hi all!

After 6 month of waiting let me congratulate you with shaking/jittering issue solution!

See info here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post19575077

Regards,
MYG
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post #3281 of 3820
12/1/10 at 11:30am
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Hi all!

After 6 month of waiting let me congratulate you with shaking/jittering issue solution!

See info here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post19575077

Regards,
MYG

I didn't have patience to wait for the fix, panasonic was no help that time, as result I returned my in 2 weeks

congratulation who got it fixed
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post #3282 of 3820
12/1/10 at 11:49am
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I didn't have patience to wait for the fix, panasonic was no help that time, as result I returned my in 2 weeks

congratulation who got it fixed

You can buy it again!
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post #3283 of 3820
12/2/10 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post
Modern Panasonic TVs and BD players with SD card slot can play AVCHD video right off the card, and you don't need to copy anything if you shoot directly to the card. If you simply copy MTS files into the root directory of the card, it won't work.
What about if you have already transfered the files to your computer? What would be the easiest way to view your footage on the TV again? I may get a tapeless camcorder for my mother, who is used to using her DV camcorder where she can just pop in an old tape to view footage with the camcorder hooked up to the TV. I would like to make it as easy as possible for her. Is it possible to transfer the footage back to the camcorder to view or to an SDHC card to view from the blu-ray player? I understand that you can stream it to a media player but even that seems limited with 108060p. Just looking for the easiest, low tech way for a computer challenged parent to watch old footage. Thanks.
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post #3284 of 3820
12/2/10 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by powjunky View Post

What about if you have already transfered the files to your computer? What would be the easiest way to view your footage on the TV again?

MultiAVCHD, if you want to create proper AVCHD disc.
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post #3285 of 3820
12/2/10 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by powjunky View Post

What about if you have already transfered the files to your computer? What would be the easiest way to view your footage on the TV again? I may get a tapeless camcorder for my mother, who is used to using her DV camcorder where she can just pop in an old tape to view footage with the camcorder hooked up to the TV. I would like to make it as easy as possible for her. Is it possible to transfer the footage back to the camcorder to view or to an SDHC card to view from the blu-ray player? I understand that you can stream it to a media player but even that seems limited with 108060p. Just looking for the easiest, low tech way for a computer challenged parent to watch old footage. Thanks.

Hello,
I've been trying to make it as easy as possible too, by playing 60p directly from an SDHC card taken from the TM700. Despite generous help from Ungermann, I have been unable to get raw 60p to play from an SDHC card in a Panasonic DMP-BD60 blu-ray player. However, I just noticed that in the TM700 user's manual it says that there are two players that will play 60p: they are the Panasonic DMP-BDT350, and the DMP-BDT300. Has anyone tried to play 1920x1080p at 60p with either of these? I'm still on the lookout for either a blu ray or a media player that can help.
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post #3286 of 3820
12/2/10 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by Bizrank View Post

I have been unable to get raw 60p to play from an SDHC card in a Panasonic DMP-BD60 blu-ray player.

Could you do me a favor and follow this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1294889 Could you test my disc image? It has five clips, including one original, unchanged clip from the TM700. The difference with your case is that I mastered the disc with MultiAVCHD. Will it play in your player? Thanks.
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post #3287 of 3820
12/2/10 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by powjunky View Post

What about if you have already transfered the files to your computer? What would be the easiest way to view your footage on the TV again? I may get a tapeless camcorder for my mother, who is used to using her DV camcorder where she can just pop in an old tape to view footage with the camcorder hooked up to the TV. I would like to make it as easy as possible for her. Is it possible to transfer the footage back to the camcorder to view or to an SDHC card to view from the blu-ray player? I understand that you can stream it to a media player but even that seems limited with 108060p. Just looking for the easiest, low tech way for a computer challenged parent to watch old footage. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post

MultiAVCHD, if you want to create proper AVCHD disc.

I've tried MultiAVCHD, which does indeed write the 60p files from the TM700. However, when I play that disc in my Panasonic blu ray BD60, it stutters (or is it "judders", whatever that is?). On the other hand, such discs play perfectly when I burn them at 60i, but the quality isn't the same as when you play directly from TM700 to HDTV. That's why I'm still trying to find a way to play 60p directly from SDHC card. Maybe the BDT-350 or BDT-300, as the manual suggests?

Does Panasonic ever reply to questions like these, by the way? The camera is so stunningly good that it would be great to have an easy way to play back 60p, as POWJUNKY is trying to do.
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post #3288 of 3820
12/2/10 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by Bizrank View Post

I've tried MultiAVCHD, which does indeed write the 60p files from the TM700. However, when I play that disc in my Panasonic blu ray BD60, it stutters (or is it "judders", whatever that is?). On the other hand, such discs play perfectly when I burn them at 60i, but the quality isn't the same as when you play directly from TM700 to HDTV.

A-ha, we are getting somewhere. So you were able to play the original 60p clips from a disc, but they did stutter. Which means that BD60 is capable of playing back 1080p60 per se, but cannot pump through all the bitrate. No point to play my ISO image then, I suppose.
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That's why I'm still trying to find a way to play 60p directly from SDHC card. Maybe the BDT-350 or BDT-300, as the manual suggests?

I am really puzzled with this one. If the player can play 1080p60 from a disc, why not from a card? My player does play it. Have you tried mastering for a card using MultiAVCHD instead of using the original card from the camcorder? Have you upgraded your firmware? I think I asked you about this in our private exchange already.

One more reason could be that the directory structure is incorrect. For a disc it is root->BDMV, for a memory card it is root->PRIVATE/AVCHD/BDMV. Sometimes when I author for a card and screw up the naming while copying to a card, I get empty boxes on the screen, when I watch it through my BD player. On the other hand, if you pull a card right from the camcorder, it should have correct structure. Really, really strange.
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post #3289 of 3820
12/2/10 at 4:35pm
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Originally Posted by Bizrank View Post

I'm still on the lookout for either a blu ray or a media player that can help.

My Dune Prime 3.0 and my Xtreamer play these files. I understand WD live hub can as well.
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post #3290 of 3820
12/2/10 at 4:50pm
Hi all,
I have been playing back my 1080P/60 videos both on my Vizio XVT323SV LED TV and my Pioneer Kuro Plasma with Cyberlink's Power DVD.

Bedroom HTPC Setup: Vizio 32" LED TV, I use a Gateway FX541S Computer (Intel Core2 Quad Processor Q6600 - 2.40 GHz) with an XFX Radeon HD5770 Video card and then HDMI from my card to the Vizio.
Software: Cyberlink's PowerDVD 10

Living Room HTPC Setup: I have an HP Pavilion Elite112y (AMD Phenom II X4 925 - 2.80 GHz) with an ATI Radeon HD4350, HDMI out to Pioneer Kuro also running Cyberlinks PowerDVD.

Never a hitch on either.
I do have the AE Writer 2.1 loaded on my HP but not my Gateway.

For what it's Worth!

Bud B
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post #3291 of 3820
12/2/10 at 5:35pm
I can play the raw 50p files stutter free on all my PC's and also the PS3 but the sound gets out of sync on the PS3 very quickly. Anyone else seen/heard this?
Thanks
Nathan
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post #3292 of 3820
12/3/10 at 10:16pm
If the max bitrate is around 27Mb/s, does it make sense in Premiere to render my movies at any higher rate than that? Am I just added wasted space? Thanks.
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post #3293 of 3820
12/3/10 at 10:23pm
Panasonic claims 28Mmbps but I've seen it go higher.
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post #3294 of 3820
12/3/10 at 10:24pm
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Originally Posted by pjc3 View Post

My Dune Prime 3.0 and my Xtreamer play these files. I understand WD live hub can as well.

By "these files," I mean the TM700 60p files. Is that what you mean? If so, great! --Would you describe your setup with the Xtreamer (the Dune is a bit pricey and I don't need all those features). Do you attach a hard drive to the Xtreamer? Do you connect the Xtreamer to your HDTV with HDMI? Any stuttering or jittering when you play back the files? And, by the way, are the files tucked away in AVCHD and BDMV folders, or will they play all by themselves, as plain old MTS or MT2S files?

Sorry for all the questions. But thanks!
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post #3295 of 3820
12/3/10 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Panasonic claims 28Mmbps but I've seen it go higher.

Yes it does. 28Mbps is only an average, as stated in the Operating Instructions manual on page 152: Transfer rate 1080/60p Approx. 28Mbps (Variable Bit Rate)
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post #3296 of 3820
12/4/10 at 2:04am
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Originally Posted by Bizrank View Post

By "these files," I mean the TM700 60p files. Is that what you mean? If so, great! --Would you describe your setup with the Xtreamer (the Dune is a bit pricey and I don't need all those features). Do you attach a hard drive to the Xtreamer? Do you connect the Xtreamer to your HDTV with HDMI? Any stuttering or jittering when you play back the files? And, by the way, are the files tucked away in AVCHD and BDMV folders, or will they play all by themselves, as plain old MTS or MT2S files?

Sorry for all the questions. But thanks!

Yes, 1080p60 files.

The Dune plays both folder structure (maintaining chapter breaks) and individual MTS files over wired network without a hint of problems.

Xtreamer plays individual files but stutters over wired network (but it does this with BluRay rips occasionally as well). With USB connection the files play smoothly except for very high data rate ( at a guess, > 30Mbps) when there is stuttering but then recovers. I haven't been using the Xtreamer much for playback (it is using the PC Monitor as a second media centre) and only really noticed the stuttering over USB when I was testing out the folders/files question for you. I originally just gave it a go with some MTS files when I first got the camera and it played fine so now the stuttering is a little disappointing.
Setup = Xtreamer via HDMI to 24" 1080p monitor. Wired LAN and USB SDHC card adapter.
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post #3297 of 3820
12/4/10 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by pjc3 View Post
Yes, 1080p60 files.

The Dune plays both folder structure (maintaining chapter breaks) and individual MTS files over wired network without a hint of problems.

Xtreamer plays individual files but stutters over wired network (but it does this with BluRay rips occasionally as well). With USB connection the files play smoothly except for very high data rate ( at a guess, > 30Mbps) when there is stuttering but then recovers. I haven't been using the Xtreamer much for playback (it is using the PC Monitor as a second media centre) and only really noticed the stuttering over USB when I was testing out the folders/files question for you. I originally just gave it a go with some MTS files when I first got the camera and it played fine so now the stuttering is a little disappointing.
Setup = Xtreamer via HDMI to 24" 1080p monitor. Wired LAN and USB SDHC card adapter.
Thanks, pjc3. This helps a lot. Now I'll decide whether to stay where I am, with playback from the camera for 60p to an HDTV or playback with Splash Pro on my computer out to an HDTV monitor, or to go with the Dune. I really haven't got a whole setup for HD streaming, etc., ready to go yet, to take advantage of all the Dune features. But maybe now's the time.
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post #3298 of 3820
12/4/10 at 7:45pm
Whats the "best" practice in clearing the HDD once you have copied all your clips off onto the PC?
Thanks
Nathan
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post #3299 of 3820
12/5/10 at 4:45pm
I burned Ungermann's iso to dvd and played files 1-4 fine on my Panny bd80, with only the last file stuttering. My questions is about putting those files onto my SD card. When I copied the files into the folder structure he suggested, (root->PRIVATE/AVCHD/BDMV), I was not able to play them. It only showed blank thumbnails for JPEGs. Must the card be SDHC? I only had the SD card that was already in the player that was used for BD-Live function.
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post #3300 of 3820
12/5/10 at 8:05pm
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Whats the "best" practice in clearing the HDD once you have copied all your clips off onto the PC?
Thanks
Nathan

To answer my on Q (RTFM) - Put the camera into PLAY then "You can also delete scenes by pressing the MENU button, selecting [EDIT SCENE] -->
[DELETE] --> [ALL SCENES] or [SELECT]."

EDIT - Wow that took 10mins to do!
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