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post #31 of 115
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Originally Posted by Espo77 View Post

I don't know anything about Jamo's quality, and they may have went with something a bit cheaper. However, isn't the real problem the overdriving and overworking of the OP's amp/receiver/HTIB? (no mention) .....techno music is loaded with bass...





If the crossover is doing it's job it shouldn't matter how much bass is in the music.
post #32 of 115
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Originally Posted by flyng_fool View Post

If the crossover is doing it's job it shouldn't matter how much bass is in the music.

My assumption was that the amp was over driven and distortion fried the tweeter... listening to bass heavy material only helps in reaching the amps full power and possible clipping.
post #33 of 115
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Originally Posted by Espo77 View Post

My assumption was that the amp was over driven and distortion fried the tweeter... listening to bass heavy material only helps in reaching the amps full power and possible clipping.

nope my friend, i was listening at a little over quarter...there weren't any audible distortion in the music...this is what drives me crazy,,,
post #34 of 115
LMAO at the comments, the tweeter has a modular magnet structure, this isnt the 60's where the Magnets were huge because the technology hadn't advanced enough to make a small motor structure. The tweeter is Fragile. I would be thinking the could be the source of the problem. Clipping. Replace the amp, or turn it down
post #35 of 115
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Originally Posted by Raymond Leggs View Post

LMAO at the comments, the tweeter has a modular magnet structure, this isnt the 60's where the Magnets were huge because the technology hadn't advanced enough to make a small motor structure. The tweeter is Fragile. I would be thinking the could be the source of the problem. Clipping. Replace the amp, or turn it down

the amplifier is Teac A-R600, brand new .. 2X120W@4Ohm, 2X90W@8ohm... do you think this is the problem?
post #36 of 115
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Originally Posted by theVatansever View Post

the amplifier is Teac A-R600, brand new .. 2X120W@4Ohm, 2X90W@8ohm... do you think this is the problem?

Nope. I say defective tweeter.
post #37 of 115
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Originally Posted by theVatansever View Post

the amplifier is Teac A-R600, brand new .. 2X120W@4Ohm, 2X90W@8ohm... do you think this is the problem?

Teac makes quality receivers? Usually the 4ohm rating is 50% to double the 8 ohm rating. In the Teac its only 30 watts more, which is 33% higher?
post #38 of 115
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

Teac makes quality receivers? Usually the 4ohm rating is 50% to double the 8 ohm rating. In the Teac its only 30 watts more, which is 33% higher?

I've just quoted from technical specs. pdf...i dunno if it is a good amp or not but it sounds very detailed and clear...
post #39 of 115
It might be better than I thought. The Teac stuff I normally see is the low end stuff at Costco. This looks to be better than that. But I can't really find much on it.
post #40 of 115
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Originally Posted by theVatansever View Post

you're right but i'd like to see better quality drivers, than it's shiny,glossy look...they should invest on quality instead of appearance.

I'm sure you would, but the majority (like 95%) of the population want speakers that look good in their homes, like it or not it is furniture. Jamo, and most other Speaker manufactures (including Jim Salk btw) know this and spend most of their budgets on the enclosure. Drivers today are cheap cheap cheap. Not in quality, in cost. Yeah, you had a blown tweet, big deal. Could happen to any speaker. Oh, and the TEAC specs are not that great, no doubt those specs are one channel driven in optimum conditions. You don't really know how the amp is performing driving two channels simultaneously. But, I would say that the that when you spend $300 for a speaker that looks nice, you're not getting quality that's for sure. I don't care who makes it and where it's bought from (internet company or B&M shop). You do get what you pay for, as EVERYONE wants to make money. So next time, pony up and buy some real speakers (though to be honest a $1000 / speaker may not be much better, as I said, EVERYONE likes to make money).
post #41 of 115
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Originally Posted by Kpt_Krunch View Post

I'm sure you would, but the majority (like 95%) of the population want speakers that look good in their homes, like it or not it is furniture. Jamo, and most other Speaker manufactures (including Jim Salk btw) know this and spend most of their budgets on the enclosure. Drivers today are cheap cheap cheap. Not in quality, in cost. Yeah, you had a blown tweet, big deal. Could happen to any speaker. Oh, and the TEAC specs are not that great, no doubt those specs are one channel driven in optimum conditions. You don't really know how the amp is performing driving two channels simultaneously. But, I would say that the that when you spend $300 for a speaker that looks nice, you're not getting quality that's for sure. I don't care who makes it and where it's bought from (internet company or B&M shop). You do get what you pay for, as EVERYONE wants to make money. So next time, pony up and buy some real speakers (though to be honest a $1000 / speaker may not be much better, as I said, EVERYONE likes to make money).

But i paid more than 600$...so i wanted to see some quality items in it...BUt it looks like i paid it for nice looking garbage...
post #42 of 115
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Originally Posted by theVatansever View Post

But i paid more than 600$...so i wanted to see some quality items in it...BUt it looks like i paid it for nice looking garbage...

I'm sure you thought they weren't garbage when you hook them up but became garbage once you blew a tweeter
post #43 of 115
considering Jamo isn't a internet direct company and these speakers cost less then $300 each with free shipping at some big name internet stores. These are 3 way floor standing speakers, i'm not sure what you were expecting from $300 shipped. Don't think that 1 blown tweeter means Jamo is cheap.
post #44 of 115
replace your tweeter and don't drive it so loud next time, then you'll be fine. It is very possible you got a defective tweeter. Stuff happens. The other tweeter didn't blow did it?
post #45 of 115
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

replace your tweeter and don't drive it so loud next time, then you'll be fine. It is very possible you got a defective tweeter. Stuff happens. The other tweeter didn't blow did it?

I think its just a fluke, and i bet if you popped out the woofers you wouldnt be all that impressed with what they look like either.
post #46 of 115
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

replace your tweeter and don't drive it so loud next time, then you'll be fine. It is very possible you got a defective tweeter. Stuff happens. The other tweeter didn't blow did it?

yes the other one survived...i disabled both tweeters and connected a pair of nice sounding external tweeters, and listening music much loader...not any problem so far..
post #47 of 115
I came across this thread because my name was mentioned above. So I thought I'd shed a little light on the subject matter.

Due to the fabricating and finishing labor involved, cabinets tend to be the most expensive part of a speaker system. As a custom builder, we finish cabinets to our owner's specifications. If they want speakers at the lowest possible cost, we typically finish them in satin black lacquer. But if you look at any of our galleries, you will see that the majority of our speakers are finished in premium woods. This is an excellent indication of the value many people place in aesthetics (since it is their choice - not ours).

That said, even the exotic veneers we are often called upon to use comprise a relatively small percentage of the total cost of a speaker system.

As for the drivers, I can honestly say that we have never chosen a driver based on cost (performance/value - yes, cost - no). Since we are a custom builder, we are pretty much free to use the best driver we can find for a particular application. We simply cost the finished speaker design based on the drivers we have selected.

Those who sell at retail don't have that luxury. Commercial speakers are generally designed with a specific price point in mind and all components must be selected to arrive at that price point.

When selling at retail, the dealer normally needs a 40% mark-up to carry a product. So a $1000 speaker at retail must be delivered to the dealer at a cost of around $600.

Out of that $600, you need to cover transportation, advertising, marketing, engineering, R&D, labor, plant overhead, material costs and profit margin. Normally, this means the total cost of all parts that go into a retail speaker can be no more than 10 - 15% of the final selling price. So on that $1000, your total parts budget will be $100 - $150 - not much in the scheme of things (the tweeters in our lowest priced models cost more than that alone).

By selling direct, we can allocate a larger percentage of the selling price to parts. So while not having dealers means fewer people will be able to hear our speakers, we think it is a worthwhile trade-off since we can deliver speakers with higher quality drivers and parts for the same money.

The bottom line is this: while one might wish for better drivers in a moderately priced speaker, the numbers just don't support it. Companies selling speakers at retail in this price range actually do a very commendable job producing speakers given the cost constraints they are facing.

People often ask how it is that we can compete with large companies that have huge engineering and R & D staffs. The answer is that we have the opportunity to work with higher quality drivers and parts to begin with. So it is really not a fair contest. Add the opportunity to select any finish you want with no limitations (which is obviously important to some and is an option most large companies are not set up to offer), and we feel we can deliver value that is hard to beat.

- Jim
post #48 of 115
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Originally Posted by theVatansever View Post

yes the other one survived...i disabled both tweeters and connected a pair of nice sounding external tweeters, and listening music much loader...not any problem so far..

Its Louder not "loader".
post #49 of 115
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Originally Posted by jsalk View Post

I came across this thread because my name was mentioned above. So I thought I'd shed a little light on the subject matter.

Due to the fabricating and finishing labor involved, cabinets tend to be the most expensive part of a speaker system. As a custom builder, we finish cabinets to our owner's specifications. If they want speakers at the lowest possible cost, we typically finish them in satin black lacquer. But if you look at any of our galleries, you will see that the majority of our speakers are finished in premium woods. This is an excellent indication of the value many people place in aesthetics (since it is their choice - not ours).

That said, even the exotic veneers we are often called upon to use comprise a relatively small percentage of the total cost of a speaker system.

As for the drivers, I can honestly say that we have never chosen a driver based on cost (performance/value - yes, cost - no). Since we are a custom builder, we are pretty much free to use the best driver we can find for a particular application. We simply cost the finished speaker design based on the drivers we have selected.

Those who sell at retail don't have that luxury. Commercial speakers are generally designed with a specific price point in mind and all components must be selected to arrive at that price point.

When selling at retail, the dealer normally needs a 40% mark-up to carry a product. So a $1000 speaker at retail must be delivered to the dealer at a cost of around $600.

Out of that $600, you need to cover transportation, advertising, marketing, engineering, R&D, labor, plant overhead, material costs and profit margin. Normally, this means the total cost of all parts that go into a retail speaker can be no more than 10 - 15% of the final selling price. So on that $1000, your total parts budget will be $100 - $150 - not much in the scheme of things (the tweeters in our lowest priced models cost more than that alone).

By selling direct, we can allocate a larger percentage of the selling price to parts. So while not having dealers means fewer people will be able to hear our speakers, we think it is a worthwhile trade-off since we can deliver speakers with higher quality drivers and parts for the same money.

The bottom line is this: while one might wish for better drivers in a moderately priced speaker, the numbers just don't support it. Companies selling speakers at retail in this price range actually do a very commendable job producing speakers given the cost constraints they are facing.

People often ask how it is that we can compete with large companies that have huge engineering and R & D staffs. The answer is that we have the opportunity to work with higher quality drivers and parts to begin with. So it is really not a fair contest. Add the opportunity to select any finish you want with no limitations (which is obviously important to some and is an option most large companies are not set up to offer), and we feel we can deliver value that is hard to beat.

- Jim

Agree with you....i wish i had a chance to buy a custom made speaker, thatS made by people know what they're doing...
post #50 of 115
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Originally Posted by Raymond Leggs View Post

Its Louder not "loader".

yes, i'm still in the learning curve of english... thnks for correction
post #51 of 115
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Originally Posted by theVatansever View Post

yes, i'm still in the learning curve of english... thnks for correction

Hey dude, how did you take your jamos apart? is there some hidden screws or does the front snap off?

I just got in some S506 jamos and im curious to see the speakers they ship in these.
post #52 of 115
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Originally Posted by BowerR64 View Post

Hey dude, how did you take your jamos apart? is there some hidden screws or does the front snap off?

I just got in some S506 jamos and im curious to see the speakers they ship in these.

wait a minute mate,,,i'm gonna take a shot to show what you want...
first, you've to remove these 6 plastic screw covers...than disassemble 6 screws, this glossy panel goes out and here you have speakers....


post #53 of 115


I have the exact same speakers which I bought from my brother for $250 for the pair due to some cosmetic damage. I so far love the sound these speakers make but a bit disappointed with the quality of the tweeters which you have shown on the first page. Oh! well!! I guess I can't complain for the amount I paid for.

Please post as many pictures as you can....how about a pic of the crossover. I now wonder about the quality of the midrange and woofer. Any chance a pic for those?
post #54 of 115
After looking at your first post i looked at the plug things on the back of the plastic cover. I noticed those little holes, so i poped out the rubber gromet things and i could then see the screws for the front plate.

My tweeters appear to be a little different then yours. You think?

These are just the rear S502 surrounds but IMO they dont look that bad to me. I paid about $500. less then you for my whole 5.0 set though so i think mine are great for what i paid ($420.) shipped

post #55 of 115
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Originally Posted by BowerR64 View Post

After looking at your first post i looked at the plug things on the back of the plastic cover. I noticed those little holes, so i poped out the rubber gromet things and i could then see the screws for the front plate.

My tweeters appear to be a little different then yours. You think?

These are just the rear S502 surrounds but IMO they dont look that bad to me. I paid about $500. less then you for my whole 5.0 set though so i think mine are great for what i paid ($420.) shipped


dude, yours is exactly same with mine,,,, yours just doesnt have housing for front plate...
post #56 of 115
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Originally Posted by swifty7 View Post



I have the exact same speakers which I bought from my brother for $250 for the pair due to some cosmetic damage. I so far love the sound these speakers make but a bit disappointed with the quality of the tweeters which you have shown on the first page. Oh! well!! I guess I can't complain for the amount I paid for.

Please post as many pictures as you can....how about a pic of the crossover. I now wonder about the quality of the midrange and woofer. Any chance a pic for those?

ok mate, tomorrow i may post lots of photos... just wait a little
post #57 of 115
It always amazes me when people buy some speakers and they really like the quality and sound. Then they take a look inside and things quickly change and the whining about cheap tweeters begins. There is an old saying, looks can be deceiving.

As long as you like the sound, what difference does it make what the tweeter looks like, especially when you can't even see the damn thing? Get your replacement tweeter under warranty and move on.
post #58 of 115
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Originally Posted by theVatansever View Post

dude, yours is exactly same with mine,,,, yours just doesnt have housing for front plate...

No i think yours are better, i like that you can replace your tweeter i cant mine is glued in to the front cover thing. Also your center bullet thing appears to be a machined metal, mine is plastic with a metalic looking paint if it is metal its not machined but molded. I cant really tell if its metal or not really. Yours has a machined look wich i think being real metal would give a better sound?

IMO the quality is good, im not disapointed a bit.
post #59 of 115
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

It always amazes me when people buy some speakers and they really like the quality and sound. Then they take a look inside and things quickly change and the whining about cheap tweeters begins. There is an old saying, looks can be deceiving.

As long as you like the sound, what difference does it make what the tweeter looks like, especially when you can't even see the damn thing? Get your replacement tweeter under warranty and move on.

you're right but what worries me is if the same damn tweeter dies again? I cant listen loud music long time,,, afraid of losing tweeters again...so disabled them and using better external tweeters.
post #60 of 115
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Originally Posted by BowerR64 View Post

No i think yours are better, i like that you can replace your tweeter i cant mine is glued in to the front cover thing. Also your center bullet thing appears to be a machined metal, mine is plastic with a metalic looking paint if it is metal its not machined but molded. I cant really tell if its metal or not really. Yours has a machined look wich i think being real metal would give a better sound?

IMO the quality is good, im not disapointed a bit.

you'll also need some glue if yours die and yep, mine middle drives have metal center...it feels so thick when you hit with your fingers.
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