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post #31 of 691
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Yes, I'm sure there will be several.. wrinklefree has already posted some results in the 9GNE Owner's Thread... search his past Posts and you should be able to find them...

Thanks Turbe, I see now that the Duo only has the 11 point grayscale adjust and thats about it.

I also have a question about the spyder3 sensor, from what I read it is not a good one to use with plasmas but I decided to try it out last night and I know my eye is not calibrated but the results I got were the best looking picture I have seen on my 6020 so far. So my question is, is there DIY way to check the cal on the sensor? Also the spyder3 sensors that are inaccurate how bad of a picture will it produce? Is it something someone would notice? Ok that was 3 questions.
post #32 of 691
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

Also the spyder3 sensors that are inaccurate how bad of a picture will it produce?

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NO ONE should be using a Spyder probe to calibrate a Kuro. They are the absolute worst. And I highly doubt your D2 gave you a reading of 5100K. You might want to look at better calibration software. HCFR is freeware and is a hell of a lot better than that ICC profiling crap (I mean software ) you are currently using.

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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

So my question is, is there DIY way to check the cal on the sensor?

To check your Spyder, you would want to use another accurate/reference meter or optical comparator. If you had a Display (or friend's Display) that was calibrated by a Professional with a decent meter, you could use that display to check your Spyder (not the preferred way).

I'd just get a new meter
post #33 of 691
if u can put it together and if it works it still wont be the same. to start the screen uses a different filter and setting are hardcoded and price wise not nice. also isnt abl different on ne or elite. if so ur going to figure out
post #34 of 691
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To check your Spyder, you would want to use another accurate/reference meter or optical comparator. If you had a Display (or friend's Display) that was calibrated by a Professional with a decent meter, you could use that display to check your Spyder (not the preferred way).

I'd just get a new meter

I was thinking it would be somthing along those lines. I guess I will just have to pick up an optical comparator at wally world tonite Thanks again.
post #35 of 691
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Looks like it is possible.

Attached is a picture of my 6020.
LL
post #36 of 691
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

Looks like it is possible.

Attached is a picture of my 6020.

Very interesting...how'd you do it?
post #37 of 691
Hooray!!!

If this is something that can be done with a firmware patch, Turbe with ControlCal might be interested in this. Also, were you able to enable the ISF Day/Night modes? A lot of us 5020/6020 owners would love to have this capability.

PS I am willing to pay for a firmware upgrade.

Thanks

Mark
post #38 of 691
tg 1 that funny because my elite pro-111 looks exactly like yours i dont have the speakers either. take a look at your model number
post #39 of 691
definitely not the 6020 stand...
post #40 of 691
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Very interesting...how'd you do it?

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Hooray!!!

If this is something that can be done with a firmware patch, Turbe with ControlCal might be interested in this. Also, were you able to enable the ISF Day/Night modes? A lot of us 5020/6020 owners would love to have this capability.

PS I am willing to pay for a firmware upgrade.

Thanks

Mark

FOR OBVIOUS REASONS THIS WILL VOID YOUR WARRENTY. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK. I WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOU DAMAGING YOUR PIONEER PLASMA DISPLAY DEVICE OR PERSONAL INJURY. THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A PROCEDURE THAT SHOULD BE USED RATHER IT IS A TEST TO PROVE A THEORY.

Now that that is out of the way.
This was simply a board swap (PRO-151FD Part# AWW1353) The original board in the 6020 is AWW1352. This is the board with the service serial port, speaker terminals and composite/component inputs. I don't know if it makes a difference but before i turned off the TV to swap the boards I put it in factory reset. For example the startup screen asking if the tv is for home or retail use would come up the next time you power up. Also the new board has an extra headphone jack style input for the color sensor. So unless you can find the back panel from a pro-151fd you would either have to drill a hole in the panel if you plan to use it or trim the end of that port on the new board so the panel will fit over it.

So how does it look. Pure mode is amazing. From what I can tell it has all the same menu's that the PRO-151FD has looking at the OM. I watched the Book of Eli last night and was switching back and forth between Pure and Movie mode and Pure mode was displaying more color detail than Movie mode. That Movie is not the most colorful movie but I could notice the difference. It might be interesting to get ISF modes unlocked next. Hope you enjoyed this "test".
post #41 of 691
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Originally Posted by _avarice_ View Post

definitely not the 6020 stand...

krp-ts01
post #42 of 691
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FOR OBVIOUS REASONS THIS WILL VOID YOUR WARRENTY. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK. I WILL NOT BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOU DAMAGING YOUR PIONEER PLASMA DISPLAY DEVICE OR PERSONAL INJURY. THE FOLLOWING IS NOT A PROCEDURE THAT SHOULD BE USED RATHER IT IS A TEST TO PROVE A THEORY.

Now that that is out of the way.
This was simply a board swap (PRO-151FD Part# AWW1353) The original board in the 6020 is AWW1352. This is the board with the service serial port, speaker terminals and composite/component inputs. I don't know if it makes a difference but before i turned off the TV to swap the boards I put it in factory reset. For example the startup screen asking if the tv is for home or retail use would come up the next time you power up. Also the new board has an extra headphone jack style input for the color sensor. So unless you can find the back panel from a pro-151fd you would either have to drill a hole in the panel if you plan to use it or trim the end of that port on the new board so the panel will fit over it.

So how does it look. Pure mode is amazing. From what I can tell it has all the same menu's that the PRO-151FD has looking at the OM. I watched the Book of Eli last night and was switching back and forth between Pure and Movie mode and Pure mode was displaying more color detail than Movie mode. That Movie is not the most colorful movie but I could notice the difference. It might be interesting to get ISF modes unlocked next. Hope you enjoyed this "test".

Wow, that's good news for all the adventurous, relatively handy 6020 owners out there! How much did the replacement board cost?
post #43 of 691
That is very interesting. My apologies for the skepticism; I did not read the whole thread and assumed this was some kind of software solution....didn't realize you were swapping boards!
post #44 of 691
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Wow, that's good news for all the adventurous, relatively handy 6020 owners out there! How much did the replacement board cost?

There are many places online to find it. Search pro-151fd on ebay. There are other online dealers including pioneer directly.
post #45 of 691
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Originally Posted by _Avarice_ View Post

That is very interesting. My apologies for the skepticism; I did not read the whole thread and assumed this was some kind of software solution....didn't realize you were swapping boards!

Your observation was spot on. There is no cracked firmware that I am aware of. I belive the firmware is looking for specific hardware which in this case is the board I used. Looking at the parts list between the pdp-6020fd and the pro-151fd all the major boards are the same part number except for the board with the service port
post #46 of 691
Seeing as how the 141/600M/151 share the same glass panel, could a 600M board be compatible? Seems like a stretch physically, but in theory this might work (although you would lose a few inputs). There were plenty of 600Ms being salvaged for parts on Ebay.

This probably wouldn't work on a 500M/5020 combo though, as the 500M/101 use a different pdp.

Cool upgrade though! Hope you get the ISF modes working soon, they are a huge step up from Pure!
post #47 of 691
I wonder if I can turn my 5020fd into a 111fd.
post #48 of 691
Actually, looking through the ebay parts, it appears a lot of the boards are ANP2217-B with the alterations between the AWW1352 and AWW1353 being changes in the upper right hand corner as seen in this picture.



I wonder if altering that section an manually change your set into an elite.
post #49 of 691
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Actually, looking through the ebay parts, it appears a lot of the boards are ANP2217-B with the alterations between the AWW1352 and AWW1353 being changes in the upper right hand corner as seen in this picture.



I wonder if altering that section an manually change your set into an elite.

They use the same PCB between the board part numbers but I noticed one of the chips part number are different between AWW1353 and AWW1352.
post #50 of 691
Very Cool! I'm interested in seeing if you can get the isf modes to work
post #51 of 691
Well, just purchased the 111FD board and will see if my 5020FD can become an Elite.
post #52 of 691
Question is, is it worth risking bricking it to try?
post #53 of 691
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Question is, is it worth risking bricking it to try?

If you have to ask then the answer is no. I will have more on this later.
post #54 of 691
I'd assume if you have any experience building your own computer, then this would be a similar task.

Edit: Also TG_ONE, when you change your board, does this also change your service menu?
post #55 of 691
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Here is a more in-depth review on making a non-ELITE more ELITE. For entertainment purposes only, Of course.

 

Can the Pioneer 9G Non.pdf 341.8330078125k . file
post #56 of 691
Ahhh, now you've scared me...
post #57 of 691
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

I was just curious if it was possible to give a PDP-6020FD the color tweaking functionality of the PRO-151FD by swapping one of the boards out? I been searching and it seems like most of there boards are the same part# maybe they are just hardcoded differently. Anyone know anything about this and which board if it is possible?

Thanks in advance.

It's possible with software.

Can you do it? No
post #58 of 691
Would this work with a 5020?
post #59 of 691
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

Can one turn a BMW 3 series into an M3? I doubt this is possible.

No, but you can make a 335i better than the M3 (both in speed and handling). See http://www.dinancars.com
post #60 of 691
Well my board just arrived today. Only cost me $40, but now I have to decide if I really want to go through with this or heed TG_ONE's warnings.
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