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post #61 of 691
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Thanks to Turbe and Controlcal I now have ISF memories activated on my jailbroken 9G NE
LL
post #62 of 691
Dang, I wish someone would have thought about trying this a few months ago when Pioneer NE's were still readily available.

TG_ONE...congrats, that is awesome.
post #63 of 691
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Thanks hhaller. Btw does anyone use there color sensor on the elites? How much of a difference does it make?
post #64 of 691
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

Thanks to Turbe and Controlcal I now have ISF memories activated on my jailbroken 9G NE

How much extra did you have to pay for that given that you already had paid for controlcal for the original 6020FD settings?
post #65 of 691
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

Thanks hhaller. Btw does anyone use there color sensor on the elites? How much of a difference does it make?

I don't. It only affects optimum mode.
post #66 of 691
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Originally Posted by esswun View Post

Can one turn a BMW 3 series into an M3? I doubt this is possible.

Actually yes it is possible. Depending on what body style we are talking about. The older ones are much easier since they have less structural differences, it's mainly just an engine swap and transmission swap, which aren't that hard, rather time consuming.

The E92 can never be a direct swap mainly because it has a carbon fiber roof and other lightened parts integrated but a lot of parts are swappable and I bet we could make one look and perform just as good.

With regards to the TV, I'm sure there is some way it may be possible. But is it worth the time, effort, and money? Only one way to find out...
post #67 of 691
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

I don't. It only affects optimum mode.

And also the ISF-Auto mode if ISF profiles are activated. But I've never used that mode on either of my ISF-enabled displays, and I really can't recall anyone here saying that they have used ISF-Auto.
post #68 of 691
^^^

I use ISF Auto on my SAT input.
post #69 of 691
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

And also the ISF-Auto mode if ISF profiles are activated. But I've never used that mode on either of my ISF-enabled displays, and I really can't recall anyone here saying that they have used ISF-Auto.

Good call...forgot about that one.

Also, D-Nice used ISF-auto at sometime. Can't recall when, though.
post #70 of 691
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Originally Posted by pcdo View Post

How much extra did you have to pay for that given that you already had paid for controlcal for the original 6020FD settings?

You try it out yet?
post #71 of 691
Thanks TG, but after having read your great .pdf with regards to this, I am kinda confused as to why you could get shocked if the unit is unplugged for a day or so. Are there internal batteries or backups holding current still? How long did it actually take you to disassemble/reassemble the unit after the swap? And did you need to wear an anti-static band when doing this?

And should we assume that there are other cosmetic diff. between the 6020s and Elites that the picture is say, maybe 80% of one now?
post #72 of 691
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Originally Posted by pcdo View Post

How much extra did you have to pay for that given that you already had paid for controlcal for the original 6020FD settings?

Just PM Turbe, I'm not going to discuss pricing but I found his prices reasonable considering your unlocking ISF memories and the ELITE profile gives you more control than even pure mode+pro adjust menu.

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Originally Posted by mlpetrozelli View Post

Thanks TG, but after having read your great .pdf with regards to this, I am kinda confused as to why you could get shocked if the unit is unplugged for a day or so. Are there internal batteries or backups holding current still?

This was from the PDF "There are large capacitors all over the place under the panel that could still have an electrical charge"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor

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Originally Posted by mlpetrozelli View Post

How long did it actually take you to disassemble/reassemble the unit after the swap? And did you need to wear an anti-static band when doing this?

About an hour, maybe longer since I was taking pictures. I didn't wear an anti-static band but it couldn't hurt.

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Originally Posted by mlpetrozelli View Post

And should we assume that there are other cosmetic diff. between the 6020s and Elites that the picture is say, maybe 80% of one now?

I'm not sure what you mean by cosmetic differences? Externally the NE has a different stand, speaker and bezel. The actual glass panel is a different part number as well.
post #73 of 691
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

I don't. It only affects optimum mode.

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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

And also the ISF-Auto mode if ISF profiles are activated. But I've never used that mode on either of my ISF-enabled displays, and I really can't recall anyone here saying that they have used ISF-Auto.

Thanks for your replies. I'm not a big fan of the built in light sensor since it usually makes the picture darker than I like. Sounds like there is not much added benefit so ordering the color sensor would be a waste of money.
post #74 of 691
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

They use the same PCB between the board part numbers but I noticed one of the chips part number are different between AWW1353 and AWW1352.

Any chance of finding out what the chip part numbers are of the ones that are
different?
post #75 of 691
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Originally Posted by Irwinroad View Post

Any chance of finding out what the chip part numbers are of the ones that are
different?

No I didn't take note of the part numbers.
post #76 of 691
If I swap the 6020 board with the 151 board. Are all calibrated settings lost? What about the firmware? If the 6020 has the latest firmware, after swap, do I update using the 6020 firmware or the 151 firmware? Thanks for answering these questions.
post #77 of 691
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Originally Posted by Sirnice View Post

If I swap the 6020 board with the 151 board. Are all calibrated settings lost? What about the firmware? If the 6020 has the latest firmware, after swap, do I update using the 6020 firmware or the 151 firmware? Thanks for answering these questions.

I put mine in factory reset before swapping out boards so all the picture settings in the picture menu were reset to factory defaults. I have no idea if you can just swap boards without putting the TV in reset. I don't plan on trying it.

If you previously calibrated gray scale with controlcal I believe that stays the same. I did not verify this in the service menu but I did not need to make any adjustments to movie mode gray scale post board change. It appears that the service menu is not on that board.

All the 9G TVs(at least in the USA) use the same firmware. My firmware version stayed the same which is the latest version. I would assume that the firmware is located with the service menu.
post #78 of 691
I just received the AWW1353 board today. Still deciding if I want to swap out the AWW1352 in my 6020. It doesn't look very hard but don't know if voiding my warranty is worth it. I will post pics when it's done (if I decide to go for it).
post #79 of 691
I have a 5020 and just compared the 151->6020 part numbers and found they match for a 111->5020 board swap.

My 5020 is out of warranty so no worries there and the cost/benefits are astounding. Like TG_ONE, I don't want to necessarily make an Elite, I just want the extended menus and options that Pioneer didn't originally include.

That being said, I wont risk electrocution while fulfilling my quest. Does anyone know a tech in the Seattle area that would do a board swap?
post #80 of 691
Sure would like to try this on my 5080. I compared part numbers on the 5080 and 1150 and most of the boards are the same. Even the panel is the same. The main board and the board with the rca connections are different. Any thoughts?
post #81 of 691
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Originally Posted by Slammed1000 View Post

Sure would like to try this on my 5080. I compared part numbers on the 5080 and 1150 and most of the boards are the same. Even the panel is the same. The main board and the board with the rca connections are different. Any thoughts?

The input boards are different because the 1st Gen Elite Kuro's inputs are gold plated where as the non-Elites are not.

If you want to try the broad swap, purchase the input board for the back on the panel, not the side.
post #82 of 691
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I just got calman 4 and colormunki spectro so I will be comparing my 6020fd to my 101FD this weekend. I'm assuming calman 4 home version will let you create reports like I see on this site. Can someone briefly explain were to go to see the reports? I have run through a couple calibrations and the only thing I see are the charts that you pull up one at a time on the left side of the screen. The only problem with this is I can only fill up one page of charts at a time. Any help would be appreciated.
post #83 of 691
Can someone list the upgrades you get by swapping out the boards and possibly what you don't get in adjustments and calibrations? That would help me decide if the risk is worth the reward.
post #84 of 691
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Originally Posted by leonreno View Post

Can someone list the upgrades you get by swapping out the boards and possibly what you don't get in adjustments and calibrations? That would help me decide if the risk is worth the reward.

The only thing I have noticed that I lost was dynamic mode, but I don't really consider that a loss. You gain Pure mode, pro adjust menu and can activate ISF memories with controlcal. The light sensor option will give you mode 1 and mode 2 option instead of just on/off. The blue LED on the front can now be dimmed. Basicly it has the same menu options as the PRO-151FD.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/St...ctions0905.pdf
post #85 of 691
[quote=TG_ONE;19045558]I put mine in factory reset before swapping out boards so all the picture settings in the picture menu were reset to factory defaults. I have no idea if you can just swap boards without putting the TV in reset. I don't plan on trying it.



First of all nicely done in venturing into uncharted territory!

Gladiator I salute you

Secondly can the set be put into factory reset without controlcal?

Any other thoughts about the set recognizing the "new hardware" would be appreciated.
post #86 of 691
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[quote=hhsuds;19084017]
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post

I put mine in factory reset before swapping out boards so all the picture settings in the picture menu were reset to factory defaults. I have no idea if you can just swap boards without putting the TV in reset. I don't plan on trying it.



First of all nicely done in venturing into uncharted territory!

Gladiator I salute you

Secondly can the set be put into factory reset without controlcal?

Any other thoughts about the set recognizing the "new hardware" would be appreciated.

Thanks hhsuds I read somewhere that some sets will lock down if you swap boards and will need a service tech to unlock it. I have no idea if this is one of them but it seemed like a reasonable precaution to put it in reset before swapping boards.
post #87 of 691
tg-one when you pulled the back panel off did you keep the tv on its stand.and to get the isf memories will you need the controlcal program and someone to calibrate your tv .thanks
post #88 of 691
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Originally Posted by rcapprotti View Post

tg-one when you pulled the back panel off did you keep the tv on its stand.and to get the isf memories will you need the controlcal program and someone to calibrate your tv .thanks

First time I pulled the back off I put the tv flat on the ground face down. Second time i tried it on its legs to see if it would resverse back to stock. I would recommend laying on the ground method. When you pull the back off the the rest of it becomes very flimsy. I would recommend calibration even on a regular non-elite. I belive the calibrators listed on this site that can properly calibrate 9g panels have controlcal in there arsenal. You can always try e-mailing one of them.
post #89 of 691
[quote=TG_ONE;19088557]
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Originally Posted by hhsuds View Post

Thanks hhsuds I read somewhere that some sets will lock down if you swap boards and will need a service tech to unlock it. I have no idea if this is one of them but it seemed like a reasonable precaution to put it in reset before swapping boards.


"Speaking to one of the engineers at Pioneer, he shed light on a couple things. As I have mentioned before, this particular engineer maintained that the only difference between the NE and the Elites is the main processor board, and that is all.

He also said that the hardware for the NE was designed to purge almost everything and re-read default settings on startup and that these "default settings" settings were hard coded."

Based on this quote from the NE 9G thread seems like you are spot on to boot-up from factory reset.
post #90 of 691
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[quote=hhsuds;19116918]
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Originally Posted by TG_ONE View Post



"Speaking to one of the engineers at Pioneer, he shed light on a couple things. As I have mentioned before, this particular engineer maintained that the only difference between the NE and the Elites is the main processor board, and that is all.

He also said that the hardware for the NE was designed to purge almost everything and re-read default settings on startup and that these "default settings" settings were hard coded."

Based on this quote from the NE 9G thread seems like you are spot on to boot-up from factory reset.

Thats funny he refers to the main processor board as I wouldn't consider the board i changed a processor board but rather an I/O board. It deffinetly is telling the rest of the set what flavor to be. Thats cool he revealed that much but I'm glad I didn't see that before trying the swap or I would have been looking in the wrong place
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