Ok, the bitstreaming issue with ATI 5xxx's cards and some AVR's has been fixed in CAT 10.4.
UPDATE[04/30/2012]
Not a guide but here you'll find some information to try modding yourself. A straight procedure to merge the audio block of the AVR into the TV EDID is outlined.
UPDATE[12/29/2011]
There're many requests of EDID overrides to override the 2 channel limitation of TVs used to passthrough over S/PDIF, that is:
HTPC -> [HDMI] -> TV -> [S/PDIF] AVR
Please note that:
- S/PDIF has not enough bandwidth for uncompressed 6 channels LPCM. Thus the EDID limitation to 2 channels.
- Only passthrough of compressed audio (e. g. AC3, DTS) is possible, so it's for the application (Video Player setup, encoding, filtering, like with AC3Filter, or even DDL = Dolby Digital Live for games) to take control of how audio is sent through the HDMI link.
- NO EDID override can "fix" the bandwidth limitation, and it willl only be required if there is a bad EDID detection of DD or DTS capabilities, but never for the 2 channels limitation.
UPDATE[12/29/2011]
Everyone with a 3DTV + HDMI1.3 AVR: please check first this post by renethx.
In sum, 2 separate connections and NO EDID Override needed.
UPDATE[2/5/2011]
So, according to this case an EDID override can be used to pass full 3d through an HDMI1.3 AVR. Then a 3DTV and a 3D capable graphic card are all you really need to get 3D with an HTPC.
Without an EDID override solution would be, of course, 2 connections, one for video to the 3DTV, and one for audio to the HDMI1.3 AVR.
UPDATE[8/31/2010]:
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There's still an issue with EDIDs with no 8-LPCM SAD. So if your AVR is 5.1 only or the EDID lacks an 8-LPCM SAD an EDID override will be required to bitstream.
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This is a general working setup for bitstreaming of HD audio now:
- Catalyst 10.4 or later with native ATI HDMI audio driver.
- NO EDID override
- PDVD 9/10, TMT3 > .170, WinDVD 2010 as commercial players, or latest versions of MPC HC and ffdshow for bitstreaming of HD audio.
Any other use/combination is still buggy (e.g. WMP/WMC + ffdshow).
If installation is messed up somehow, a clean install with minimum codecs (just ffdshow) + MPC HC or one of the commercial players is the best way of making sure that bitstreaming of HD audio works.
Then add other applications and test one by one so as to be able to successfully debug each particular issue.
However, EDID overrides are still needed for dealing with other EDID issues. As this first post has general information for installing/uninstalling, capturing and troubleshooting EDID overrides, and to not replicate the same information elsewhere, I will be using this post to address these. For general EDID overrides requests there's already a dedicated thread.
I will leave the rest of the information in this post, even the table of EDID overrides, as they can be used in fact for specific configurations. Only modified info in most cases is the TrueHD SAD, so they shouldn't affect video functionality.
1. EDID CAPTURE
the full REAL-TIME (no registry entries) 256-byte EDIDs are required (for Moninfo check that a 'HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"1", ...' line is present in the generated .inf file). There are 2 tools for capturing the full 256-byte EDID:The EDID Override mod for solving the bitstreaming and/or video handshake issues on the 5xxxs is usually made up by a combination of the display device video data stored in its corresponding EDID + the audio descriptors of Onkyo TX-NR906 EDID that solves the bitstreaming issues + rest of information stored in the AVR/AVP EDID.
So, the 2 EDIDs (display device & AVR/AVP) are required to do the mod. Also
- Entech utility Moninfo. New version of Moninfo (2.44.0.825) can now capture the full 256-byte EDID on 5xxx cards.
- GetEDID, kindly developed by AVSForum guru, vladd, who's also author of EDID Editor, an indispensable tool for doing these mods (EDID Editor is the only tool that I know that can calculate the EDID checksum ... double thanks, vladd,
). This utility works for all ATI cards. To download it and for a description of the utility and how to use it see this post by vladd.
WARNINGS: getEDID does not currently capture the REAL-TIME EDID, but the EDID of the active display device(s). Use preferably moninfo to capture the REAL TIME EDID.
If UAC is active Moninfo must be run as administrator.
Here's the procedure for connecting and capturing the full 256-byte EDID.
Display Device EDID Capture
- Connect the graphic card HDMI to your display device HDMI.
- IF using Moninfo THEN
Launch Moninfo
"[Real time ...]" entry on top left "Display IDs" window [Select]
File [Select]
Create INF [Select]
SAVE TO [Your display device name].inf. (e.g. Samsung LN-S4095D.inf)
vladd's post for more details) AVR/AVP EDID CaptureELSE (using vladd's getEDID.exe)
Open a commmand prompt
run [getEDID path]getEDID.exe (see
- Connect the graphic card HDMI to your AVR/AVP HDMI.
[Optionally] Connect the AVR HDMI port to the display device HDMI-out. - IF using Moninfo THEN
Launch Moninfo
"[Real time ...]" entry on top left "Display IDs" window [Select]
File [Select]
Create INF [Select]
SAVE TO [Your display AVR/AVP name].inf. (e.g. DENON AVR988.inf)
vladd's post for more details)ELSE (using vladd's getEDID.exe)
Open a commmand prompt
run [getEDID path]getEDID.exe (see
2. INSTALLATION
Easy Method
- Go to Start
Computer [Right-click]
Properties [Select] - Device Manager [Select]
Monitors[Expand]
Monitor ID [Righ-Click] (usually "Generic PnP Monitor")
Properties [Select]
Driver tab [Select]
Update Driver button [Select]. - Make sure that the .inf driver is the ONLY one in its dir
Browse my computer for driver software [Select]
Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer [Select]
Have Disk [Select]
Browse to the directory where .inf driver is located.
Click on .inf file and then on the Open button
OK [Select]
Next [ Select]
Confirm installation if necessary ([Windows Security] Install this driver software anyway)
Close [Select]
REBOOT
Alternate method
If you have more than 1 monitor setup you most probably will have more than one "Generic PnP Monitor" device in the Monitors tab. Use this alternate procedure for these cases.
- Mouse on Desktop [Right-click]
Personalize [Select] - Display [Select] (Select the display device corresponding to your AVR)
Change display settings [Select]
Screen of the display device to override [Select]
Advanced settings [Select]
Monitor Tab [Select]
Properties button [Select]
Driver tab [Select]
Update Driver button [Select] - Follow step 3 from Easy Method above
3. TIPS FOR TROUBLESHOOTING BISTREAMING AFTER INSTALLING THE OVERRIDE.
DTS HD should bitstream first time on MPC-HC/ffdshow, TMT3 .170 or WinDVD2010. If you can't bitstream TrueHD then there's a problem with the EDID override.
- Check that the override is actually installed. Go to Device Manager->Monitors[Expand], and verify that description for the override is actually there.
- Don't forget to REBOOT after install.
- NEVER try to test bitstreaming first time on WMP or WMC! Use any of the commercial players or MPC-HC/ffdshow.
- Verify that to your AVR/AVP is set to "AMP" mode, i.e, to NO audio-passthrough of your display device. Also, if it is the case for your DENON AVR, try setting "2.3.4 Auto Surround Mode" to "OFF", but it doesn't work in all cases.
- Avoid using Haali Matroska Splitter if MPC-HC is your player (at least while testing bitstreaming first time).
- Avoid setting the "Enable GPU scaling" option in CCC as it affects detection of refresh rates.
4. UNINSTALLING THE OVERRIDE.
- Go to Device Manager
- Monitors[Expand]
- Right-click on the override
- Select uninstall
- Tick on "Delete the driver software for this device"
- OK
- Reboot
After installing/uninstalling your EDID override make sure to reset the TV as well as the receiver so they can redo their handshake.
NOTE: On board menus of some AVRs (e.g. ONKYO) will not appear on resolutions less than 720P.
Make sure to delete all leftovers from the system:
- Start [Select]
- My Computer [right-click]
- Properties [Select]
- Advanced System Settings {Select]
- Environment Variables [Select]
- New [Select] (Under User variables ...)
- Set field "Variable name" to devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices
- Set field "Variable value" to 1.
- OK [Select]
- OK [Select]
- Now go to Device Manager (Start->Computer->Properties [right click])
- Menu option "View" [Select]
- Menu option "Show hidden devices" [Select]
- Monitors [Select]
- Uninstall any greyed-out display device.
- Tick on the option "Delete all driver files for this device" (if applicable)
5. EDID OVERRIDES
As a general criterion to pick the right mod for you:
- Just base your selection on the display device. If you don't find your specific model, try one similar. If no similar device is available then try by general type (LCD, Plasma, DLP or projector). If no alternate option works for you (because of video issues) then ask for a custom mod.
- For the AVR/AVP part select according to brand, regardless of the specific model, as any mod will resolve the bitstreaming issue. You could even install a mod for your display device, or similar, and choose another AVR/AVP brand.
EDID Override (Display Device - AVR-AVP, with link) Description Dell s2409WB - ONKYO 705 Dell s2409WB - ONKYO AVR Dell u2410 - DENON AVR1909 Dell Monitor + DENON AVR Epson 8500UB - DENON 4308 Epson Projector + DENON AVR Hitachi L42S503 - ONKYO TX-SR605 HITACHI LCD TV + ONKYO AVR InFocus IN82 - DENON 3808 InFocus projector + DENON AVR JVC RS20 - DENON AVR5308 JVC projector + DENON AVR LG 42LG50 - TX-SR606 LG LCD TV + ONKYO AVR LG 42LH5000 - ONKYO TX-SR309 LG LCD TV + ONKYO 5.1 AVR LG 55LD520 - ONKYO TX-SR308 LG LCD TV + ONKYO 5.1 AVR LG 55LE8500 - DENON AVR-4311 LG LCD TV + DENON AVR LG L246W - DENON 4810 LG Monitor + DENON AVR LG PK-350 - ONKYO HT-R380 LG Plasma TV + ONKYO 5.1-only AVR Mits HC5500 - DENON 1909 Mits projector + DENON AVR Mits WD65835 - DENON AVPA1 Mits DLP TV + DENON AVR Mits HD1000U - DENON 3808 Mits projector + DENON AVR Optoma HD20 - DENON 4310 Optoma Projector + DENON AVR Optoma HD20 - ONKYO TX-SR606 Optoma Projector + ONKYO AVR Optoma HD65 - DENON 1910 Optoma Projector + DENON AVR Panasonic G10 - DENON AVR1909 Panasonic LCD TV + DENON AVR Panasonic PT-AE2000 - SONY STR-DA5300ES Panasonic Projector - SONY AVR Panasonic PT-AE3000 - ONKYO TX-SR705 Panasonic Projector + ONKYO AVR Panasonic P50VT25L - ONKYO TX-SR308 Panasonic Plasma TV (VT25) + Onkyo 5.1 Only AVR Panasonic TC-L42S10B - ONKYO HT-R390 Panasonic Plasma TV + Onkyo 5.1 AVR Panasonic TC-P50G15 - DENON 1910 Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR Panasonic TH-37PX60B - DENON 2808 Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR Panasonic TH-42PV71F - ONKYO TX-SR805 Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO AVR Panasonic TH-42PZ700U - DENON AVR3808 Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR Panasonic TH-42PZ700U - ONKYO TX-NR905 Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO AVR Panasonic TH-42PZ80LB - ONKYO HT-R380 Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO 5.1. AVR Panasonic TH-P50X10A - DENON 1909 Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR Panasonic TX-L37GT14 (GW10) - DENON 1610 Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR Panasonic TX-P42G15E - ONKYO TX-SR308 Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO 5.1 AVR Panasonix TX-P42GT20E - ONKYO TX-308 Panasonic 3D Plasma + ONKYO 5.1 AVR Panasonic TX-P50VT30e - MARANTZ SR5004 Panasonic 3D TV Plasma + Marantz AVR Pioneer PDP-6020FD - DENON 990 Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR Pioneer KRP-500M - DENON 2808 Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR Pioneer PDP-LX608D - DENON 2309 Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR Pioneer PDP-LX5090H - DENON 2808 Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR Pioneer PDP-436FDE - DENON 1910 Pioneer Plasma + DENON AVR Pioneer PDP-5080XA - DENON 2310 Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR Samsung (DLP) - Onkyo TX-SR805 Samsung DLP TV (720p) + ONKYO AVR Samsung HL-61A750 - DENON 2809 Samsung LED DLP TV + DENON AVR Samsung HL-67A750 - DENON 4308 Samsung LED DLP TV + DENON AVR Samsung HL-T6176S - SONY STR-DN1000 Samsung DLP TV + SONY AVR Samsung LE46B650 - ONKYO TX-NR509 Samsung LCD + ONKYO AVR Samsung LN46A650 - DENON 988 Samsung LCD + DENON AVR Samsung LN52A750 - DENON 2310 Samsung LCD + DENON AVR (*) Samsung LN-S4095D - DENON AVR988 Should work for most LCD TVs + DENON AVR (*) Samsung LN-S4095D - ONKYO TX-NR906 Should work for most LCD Tvs + ONKYO AVR (*) Samsung LN-S4095D - SONY STR-DA5300ES Should work for most LCD Tvs + SONY AVR
(*) Samsung 3DTV - ONKYO HT-R548 3D LCD Samsung TVs + ONKYO 5.1 AVR Samsung LN-T4661F - SONY STR-DA5500ES Samsung LCD + SONY AVR Samsung PN58A650 - DENON 3808 Samsung Plasma TV + DENON AVR Samsung PN63C8000 - DENON 4810ci Samsung 3D LCD + DENON AVR Samsung PS50B530 - DENON 4310 Samsung Plasma TV + DENON AVR Sanyo Z3 - DENON 2310 Sanyo Projector + DENON AVR Sanyo Z5 - DENON 3808 Sanyo Projector + DENON AVR Sharp Aquos - SONY STR-DN1000 Sharp Aquos + SONY AVR Sharp LC46D64U - DENON 1909 Sharp Aquos + DENON AVR Sharp LC46D85U - DENON 889 Sharp Aquos + DENON AVR Sony 40W2000 - SONY STR-DG820 Sony LCD TV + SONY AVR Sony 46KDLEX500 - ONKYO TX-SR308 Sony LCD TV - ONKYO 5.1 AVR Sony 52W5500 - DENON AVR1910 Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDF-55XS955 - DENON 4310 Sony RPTV + DENON AVR Sony KDL-40D3000 - DENON 1909 Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDL-40W4500 - DENON 1910 Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDL-40L4000 - DENON 1610 SONY LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDL-40W5500 - DENON2309 Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDL-40X3500 - SONY STR DA2400ES Sony LCD TV + SONY AVR Sony KDL-40V2500 - DENON 1909 Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDL-46D3500 - SONY STR-DA2400ES Sony LCD TV + SONY AVR Sony KDL46EX720 - ONKYO TX-SR309 Sony 3D LCD TV + ONKYO 3D 5.1 AVR Sony KDL-46XBR9 - DENON 4308 Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDL-46Z5500 - SONY STR DA5300ES Sony LCD YV + SONY AVR Sony KDL-52V5100 - DENON 790 Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR Sony KDS-55A3000 - ONKYO TX-SR805 Sony RPTV + ONKYO AVR Sony KDS-R60XBR1 - SONY STR-DA5300ES Sony RPTV + SONY AVR Sony KDS-R70XBR2 - DENON AVR-2310 Sony XBR Rear Projection HDTV + DENON AVR Sony VPL-VW60 - DENON 2808 Sony projector + DENON AVR Sony VPL-VW85 - DENON AVPA1 Sony projector + DENON AVR Toshiba 37WL66E - ONKYO TX-SR605 Toshiba LCD + ONKYO AVR Vizio SV420m - DENON 590 Vizio LCD + DENON AVR
APPENDIX. THE PROBLEM WITH BITSTREAMING TrueHD & DTS HD over ATI 5xxx's prior to CAT 10.4 (Just for reference)
The bitstreaming issue with ATI 5xxxs cards was due to 192kHz audio sample rate being DISABLED in the EDIDs of DENON, SONY, and some ONKYO AVRs/AVPs (for an excellent introduction to the EDID standard read this page by Extron).
An AVR EDID is a 2 128-byte data blocks structure: a Base block and an Extension block. Within the Extension block an Audio Data block is located, made up of individual Short Audio Descriptors (SADs):
Audio Data block
SAD
SAD
...
SAD
So, for instance, here's the Audio Data block of my DENON 988:
Audio Data block
Audio Format #7 : MLP/Dolby TrueHD, 8-ChannelAudio Format #1 : LPCM, 8-Channel, 24-Bit, 20-Bit, 16-Bit
Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz
Audio Format #2 : DTS, 6-Channel, 1536 k Max bit rate
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz
Audio Format #3 : AC-3, 6-Channel, 640 k Max bit rate
Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz
Audio Format #4 : DTS-HD, 8-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz
Audio Format #5 : E-AC-3, 8-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz
Audio Format #6 : MLP/Dolby TrueHD, 6-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz
Audio Format #8 : DSD, 6-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 44.1 kHz
The problem - NO 192khz sample rate - as you can see, is in SAD #7 (MLP/Dolby TrueHD, 8-Channel).
SONYs and the DENON 2808CI have the DTS_HD descriptor wrong too. Here's the 2808CI case:
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz
Again, NO 192khz sample rate.
Here's how different AVR/AVP brands are so far affected (bad) or not affected (OK) by this problem:
TrueHD DTS HD DENON AVR 2808CI & SONYs bad bad All other DENONs, ONKYOs (*) TX-SR605, TX-SR606, TX-SR705, TX-SR805, TX-SR875 bad OK All other AVR/AVPs OK OK
Not all ONKYOs in a failing series exhibit the TrueHD problem.(*)
So if you own a DENON (except the AVR 2808CI) or a failing ONKYO, checking DTS HD bitstreaming (with MPC-HC, TMT3 .170 or WinDVD2010, but not possible with PDVD9/10 though) is a first test to make sure that your installation is OK. You will then require an EDID override only for bitstreaming of TrueHD.
But if you own a possibly failing ONKYO, as not all ONKYOs in a "flawed" series exhibit the TrueHD problem, check that TrueHD works first.
So even if the issue is not ATI's, they could still produce a fix so that everyone can bitstream on the 5xxxs without needing an EDID override. So post a feedback to ask them for the fix, and even leave a link to this thread, by going to the following page:
http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3
Of course DENON and SONY should be contacted about this problem and also be referred to this thread, so that they fix it for future products, and release firmware updates ASAP for current AVRs/AVPs for which it can be applied.
WHAT THESE MODS FIX FOR BITSTREAMING
With DENON, SONY, and some ONKYO AVRs/AVPs with NO override:
- You won't get the third option on audio settings of PDVD9.
- You'll get no TrueHD on MPC-HC/ffdshow, TMT3 .170 beta update or WinDVD2010.
DO YOU REQUIRE A CUSTOM MOD FOR YOUR DISPLAY DEVICE-AVR/AVP?
For most cases the (*) mods will work, so if you don't find the specific mod for your HDTV/AVR combination, try these first.
Please understand that I'm currently the only one doing these mods so ask for a mod only if:
- Of course your AVR is a DENON, SONY or a failing ONKYO (see point 3).
- PDVD9 is your only player and you don't get the third option on PDVD9 audio settings.
- You can bitstream DTS HD (no TrueHD) on either MPC-HC, TMT3 .170 or WinDVD2010 without the override. If you can't there's an install problem to troubleshoot or that the AVR HDMI has to be set to "AMP" (no TV audio pass-through). So DO NOT ask for a mod if you use any of these players and you don't pass the DTS HD test first.
- You have video issues as your Display Device, or a similar Display Device (LCD, Plasma or Proj.) and AVR/AVP combination for your setup is not listed.
Problems requiring a custom mod are all video related as the audio block is the same in all mods. If video data from EDIDs on the list conflicts with your display device specs, then you could run into video issues such as:
- Not all resolutions and/or refresh rates available on CCC.
- Handshake issues (like losing detection of display device) when switching sources on either display device or AVR/AVP).
- Wrong color depth.
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