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post #181 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Your mod. The modded EDID has the projector timings + the Pioneer audio block, so I don't know what will happen with the LG ...

Just installed the override, still only 60HZ. Before the override, i only had 2 resolutions available, i now have 4 just like when connected directly to PJ. Good ATI fashion, if they fix something, 3 other things get screwed.
Thanks again
tony

UPDATE--- Got 24hz back Seems there's a bug on the ATI Drivers (what a surprise), ATI aware of it, found this note on the release notes for 10.2--
"Refresh rate changes may revert back to 60 Hz (default) when "Enable GPU Scaling"
is enabled under Digital Panel Properties attributes", and indeed it was the problem, i disabled GPU scaling, Forced the 1080P 24hz mode and sure enough screen went blank and 24HZ is back..
Went ahead and re-installed 10.2 but made sure GPU scaling was disabled, sure enough have all sorts of different resolutions/Hz available now.


Again, thanks so much for trying to fix this for me and all the others
post #182 of 3892
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Thanks a bunch (quick turnaround too) - I installed it and it seems to be working fine so far. I'll try to get the ArcSoft TMT 170 patch installed over the weekend to test bitstreaming and will know if it resolves the PC going into a mode the display doesn't like problem after using the system for a day or so.

The good news - I installed the TMT .170 patch and bitstreaming is working fine with my 5670 card. I tested with short segments from Cast Away and Batman Dark Knight so I could test both DTS and Dolby modes and the appropriate lights were lit on the Denon AVP.

The (sort of) bad news - I'm still having the issue where the video card switches to a display mode the TV doesn't like when the AVP and TV are turned off. It doesn't seem to happen every time (same as before the override). I can try installing the HDMI Detective and see if that resolves the problem. As an alternative, my remote control can send commands to Girder to switch the screen resolution, so I can probably just add a step to the activities that make use of the HTPC and work around this problem (this might actually be more reliable and/or better than adding the HDMI Detective to the mix). I wasn't exactly expecting that the override would fix this, just hoping.

Tulli - I think it's safe to add this to the list of working overrides. The problem that still exists is no worse than prior to installing the override.
post #183 of 3892
Hello,

i have a question according the EDID override. Few days ago i used Entech Monitor Asset Manager 2.4 to create INF-Files of my Panasonic TX-L37GT14 (same as TX-LGW10) TV and the inbuild 7" Touchscreen HAI SG7.

I used the real-time EDID's to create the INF-Files and made no changes. After that i installed the INF-Files so that the monitors are listed in device manager with their real names.

Yesterday i started Monitor Asset Manager again and saw, that the real-time EDID's are not longer shown in the tool. How can switch back to use the real-time EDID's and not the registry-values?

I need them to do some tests. Yersterday i connected my Denon AVR1610 the first time and i think, the hdcp-handshake is ok. I played some Blue-Ray and DVD with my HTPC and the DENON showed and (i guess) played the right sound format. Hardware:

HTPC with AMD-Platform, ATI 4670 graphics card and Auzentech Home Theater sound card, Windows 7 Ultimate and PowerDVD Ultra.
Connection via HDMI-cable: graphics card hdmi out -> Auzentech hdmi in -> Auzentech hdmi-out - Denon hdmi in -> Denon hdmi out - Panasonic tv hdmi in.

Now i would like to check the hdcp chain with the real-time EDID's but i don't know how to restore the real-time values to windows 7.

Greetings from Germany
Knuddel256
post #184 of 3892
Thread Starter 
Is that a bug in the new version of moninfo? I can't test it now because I pulled out my 4670. Anyway, you can use vladd's tool getEDID (see section 3 in the OP) to get the real-time EDIDs into .bin files. Then open those .bin files with moninfo to create the corresponding .inf files.
post #185 of 3892
Hello Tulli,

thanks for your reply. I don't know anything about a bug in Monitor asset manager, but i want to ask you something for my general understanding:

If there are real-time edid's AND registry edid's, what information is windows preferring to use to communicate with the monitor?

Can i delete the monitors in the device manager and delete the selfmade inf-files in C:\\Windows\\inf, so that windows takes the real-time edid's after disconnect and connect the monitors?

I want to make sure, that the system needs the modded EDID-Files. So i have to check first for any issues with the real-time EDID.

How do i see, that a edid-information is incomplete?

thank you & greetings
Knuddel 256

Sorry for my poor english
post #186 of 3892
Thread Starter 
The EDID override is preferred.

You can easily uninstall the EDID override:
  • Go to Device Manager
  • Monitors[Expand]
  • Right-click on the override
  • Select uninstall
  • Tick on "Delete the driver software for this device"
  • OK
  • Reboot

To elaborate on your question about "incomplete EDID":
  1. The monitor architecture of Windows is not adapted to HDTV. A typical PC monitor information can be fully stored in the EDID base block (first 128 bytes). With HDTVs an extended block (128 additional bytes) is required to store more HDTV timings, audio block, and colorimetry. AFAIK the "Generic PnP" default monitor driver will only accept standard PC monitor timings i.e., it only detects "PC monitors" and thus, any other EDID detection is the full responsibility of the graphic/audio driver (ATI in this case), and here is a first source of "bugs".

  2. OTH, not even 128 additional bytes are enough to store all needed information. If you add an AVR/AVP to the HDMI chain you'll have of course 2 full, corresponding 256 byte EDIDs. The AVR/AVP EDID has its own plethora of video timings which may or may not collide with the HDTV timings. You would assume that the AVR/AVP EDID processing would be so smart as to simply build-up a "real-time" EDID with the combined video specs from the HDTV + its own audio specs, right? Well, no! The AVR/AVP can happen to send its own EDID (base and extended blocks), just ignoring the critical video specifications of your HDTV. Have yet to investigate this matter further but reason could be a mismatch in the EDID base block structure, and specifically the relative position of the Monitor Descriptor within the Base block. If Base block structure is the same it is passed through (but not the Extended block) with changes only for Vendor & Monitor Descriptor. In such cases you'll have pretty much no issues, but otherwise - and projectors are a typical case - you'll have video issues with video timings and color specs of your HDTV not being passed through to the HTPC.

So what to do? You guessed it, right? For here comes the EDID override to the rescue, which Microsoft so generously gave us as a feature of the OS since Vista . WIth this new feature you can custom build your own EDID. And here are two very easy directives to follow for a quick workaround:
  1. Try to put your favorite/preferred video timings in the base block (in the Detailed Descriptor Block specifically), as graphic drivers are still PC-monitor oriented. You'll have room for 2 descriptors mostly, which is plenty as 1 native resolution is typically used.

  2. If your graphic/audio driver is screwing up with audio detection, well just find one HD audio block that it can parse (this has been the solution for bitstreaming) and stick it in the extension block (the audio descriptor specifically).

So you can realize, the EDID override is not just an option, but THE solution for what is really an intrinsically flaky interface. You will "see" that your edid info is not fully detected when you run into video issues as described in the OP, or when you only get 2 channels instead of 5.1 or 7,1, or you can't bitstream as with the issue of this thread.

You could compare anyway the real-time EDIDs base blocks captured by directly connecting the Display Device and the AVR respectively with the registry value showed by moninfo (only 128-byte base block), and use Extron EDID Manager to analyze it.
post #187 of 3892
Hello Tulli,

I hope you would be kind enough to assist me on modifying the EDID below.
I am still having problem with the 3808 & Samsung plasma EDID override posted in your 1st post. Many thanks.

 

50B650_Denon 4310.zip 0.7080078125k . file
post #188 of 3892
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ronaldjoe View Post

Hello Tulli,

I hope you would be kind enough to assist me on modifying the EDID below.
I am still having problem with the 3808 & Samsung plasma EDID override posted in your 1st post. Many thanks.

What kind of problems? Audio or Video?

If it´s audio: can you bitstream DTS HD without the override? If you can´t then a mod won´t help you and you need to troubleshoot your setup. If so, please post your setup, player, etc. so maybe we can help you to troubleshoot it. If OTH you can bitstream DTS HD any of the mods on the list will work, so just pick up a Samsung Plasma + DENON mod there.

If it´s video then there´s no question that you need a custom mod and I´ll be happy to provide it based on the EDIDs posted.
post #189 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

That's a question more for the EDID Override Thread but here we go.

Yes it looks like an EDID issue. Post both 256-byte EDID (follow section 3 from the OP) and I'll do a modded EDID for your setup. You would NEVER see the BIOS screen anyway, but when the override kicks in the Windows logon screen should show up.

Another solution would be of course to buy (~$100) a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus.

Hi Tulli,

I actually updated the firmware of the onboard video and now it works perfectly fine. thank you for your help anyways! much appreciated
post #190 of 3892
Thread Starter 
It has been reported on the Official ATI 5xxx thread that the EDID Override is not needed to bitstream of DTS HD & TrueHD on a DENON AVP-A1HDA with CAT 10.2 & Realtek 2.42.

Anybody else that owns a DENON AVP-A1HDA that can confirm it?
post #191 of 3892
I hope you all can provide me with assistance with a custom EDID for my Denon AVR-3808CI and Panasonic TH-50PZ700U Plasma television.

I have tried the custom one that most resembled mine (The other 40 Panasonic one), however I still experience audio issues (no 3rd option in PowerDVD), and am experiencing video drop out and resolution related issues.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

As a side note: I am currently doing a clean system reformat/reinstallation to rule out anything on my end being goofy.

 

Denon AVR-3808CI & Panasonic TH-50PZ700U.zip 1.458984375k . file
post #192 of 3892
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crashp3 View Post

I hope you all can provide me with assistance with a custom EDID for my Denon AVR-3808CI and Panasonic TH-50PZ700U Plasma television.

I have tried the custom one that most resembled mine (The other 40 Panasonic one), however I still experience audio issues (no 3rd option in PowerDVD), and am experiencing video drop out and resolution related issues.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

As a side note: I am currently doing a clean system reformat/reinstallation to rule out anything on my end being goofy.

That capture of the 3808 has the modded audio block used to solve the bitstreaming! It's good idea indeed to do a system reinstall ...
post #193 of 3892
Hi Tulli!

I'm trying to get my HTPC to work with your overrides. I first tried the "Sony 52W5500 - Denon AVR1910" which matches my setup well. The display worked flawless but I couldn't get it to bitstream TrueHD. DTS-MA worked as it did before the override. I looked at the audio block in the override and found that the audio block from Denon AVR1910 contains the two following entries for TrueHD:

65 7E 00 = TrueHD 6 channels 44-192kHz
67 1E 00 = TrueHD 8 channels 44-96kHz

I double checked with getEDID and the audio block from the real time capture looked the same. This means that my amp says it cannot receive TrueHD 8 channels 192kHz which is what ffdshow tries to send when bitstreaming any TrueHD.

Then I tried "Sony 40W2000 - SONY STR-DG820". The audio block from the DG820 indicates support for TrueHD 8 channels 192kHz. With this override TrueHD streams perfectly even though my amp says it can't receive that format. Unfortunately the display part of this override did not work very well for me (no 24P among other things).

Anyway: Would it be possible for you to make an override for me combining the TV "Sony 52W5500" and the amp "Sony STR-DG820"?

Regards,
Rasmus
post #194 of 3892
Thread Starter 
Ouch that override (Sony 52W5500 - Denon AVR1910) was broken! It didn't have the modded audio block. Right now it's OK.

No problem with your custom override ... I'll be posting it in a minute ...

... so here's the MOD. But I couldn't find an individual Sony 52W5500 .inf file in my DB (only one combined with the Denon 1910). So I only changed the monitor descriptor and IDs in the Sony 52W5500 - Denon AVR1910 to the ones corresponding to the Sony STR-DG820. if you run into video issues post the .inf of the 52W5500 and I'll do a proper full mod for the 52W5500.

 

Sony 52W5500 - SONY STR-DG820.zip 1.224609375k . file
post #195 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

What kind of problems? Audio or Video?

If it´s audio: can you bitstream DTS HD without the override? If you can´t then a mod won´t help you and you need to troubleshoot your setup. If so, please post your setup, player, etc. so maybe we can help you to troubleshoot it. If OTH you can bitstream DTS HD any of the mods on the list will work, so just pick up a Samsung Plasma + DENON mod there.

If it´s video then there´s no question that you need a custom mod and I´ll be happy to provide it based on the EDIDs posted.

It's a video problem. It reverts to 1080i 60hz every time the tv is switched on.
I can bitstream both DTSMA + TrueHD with your Samsung Plasma + Denon mod.
I got to manually set it back to 1080p 60hz with CCC profile manager.
Thanks

Set up:
Sapphire 5670
ATI driver 10.2 (no realtek driver)
Vista x64 Ultimate
Samsung plasma B650
Denon 4310 + XPA5
post #196 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Ouch that override (Sony 52W5500 - Denon AVR1910) was broken! It didn't have the modded audio block. Right now it's OK.

No problem with your custom override ... I'll be posting it in a minute ...

... so here's the MOD. But I couldn't find an individual Sony 52W5500 .inf file in my DB (only one combined with the Denon 1910). So I only changed the monitor descriptor and IDs in the Sony 52W5500 - Denon AVR1910 to the ones corresponding to the Sony STR-DG820. if you run into video issues post the .inf of the 52W5500 and I'll do a proper full mod for the 52W5500.

Thanks a lot! Now that the 52W5500+AVR1910 is fixed I will use that.
post #197 of 3892
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ronaldjoe View Post
It's a video problem. It reverts to 1080i 60hz every time the tv is switched on.
I can bitstream both DTSMA + TrueHD with your Samsung Plasma + Denon mod.
I got to manually set it back to 1080p 60hz with CCC profile manager.
Thanks

Set up:
Sapphire 5670
ATI driver 10.2 (no realtek driver)
Vista x64 Ultimate
Samsung plasma B650
Denon 4310 + XPA5
Great. I did the mod anyway combining a Samsung PS50B530 (which should be similar to your B560, which I didn't found in the captures you posted) and your DENON 4310.

I'll add it to the list...

 

Samsung PS50B530 - DENON 4310.zip 1.2099609375k . file
post #198 of 3892
Hi Tulli

Maybe I spoke a bit too soon on the initial VPL VW85/AVP A1 working - I;m having some opdd crackling on certain lossy tracks - not sure if its related to the EDID override, but since I saw the new tools including vladds, I redid the capture through my 5670 card to see if a new override fixes things.

I appreciate it. (Again this captured using vladds latest tool from my 5670 to avp-a1/vpl-vw85 projector combination...

Thanks kindly

 

DENON-AVAMP.0.2.zip 0.3408203125k . file
post #199 of 3892
Thread Starter 
Hi, thrang. The audio mod consists in just replacing the original DENON block with a fully working audio block taken from an Onkyo 906, so problem is player/driver related (as a matter of fact I have no issues with lossy tracks with that same audio block).

Are you testing on TMT3 .170? ... that's a beta release.
post #200 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Hi, thrang. The audio mod consists in just replacing the original DENON block with a fully working audio block taken from an Onkyo 906, so problem is player/driver related (as a matter of fact I have no issues with lossy tracks with that same audio block).

Are you testing on TMT3 .170? ... that's a beta release.

Yes, TMT 170....is there anything else out there than can play BDMV folder structures? PDVD 9 cannot, nor can WinDVD 2010 from what I've read...

Thanks
post #201 of 3892
Thread Starter 
Yeah, playing from disk is a problem. You could convert to BD-ISO with tsMuxeR (pretty easy indeed to generate the BD structure), then create the ISO and use Virtual Clonedrive (free from Slysoft) to mount the ISO for playback. It integrates very well with frontends like Mediabrowser on 7MC and PDVD9 works fine with mounted isos.

Otherwise there's clownBD to easily generate ISOs from BDs.

Of course there will be a final, stable release of TMT3 soon ...
post #202 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Great. I did the mod anyway combining a Samsung PS50B530 (which should be similar to your B560, which I didn't found in the captures you posted) and your DENON 4310.

I'll add it to the list...

Tulli. Many thanks. It would save me a long way from screen refresh problem.
I am very glad and grateful of this little help.
post #203 of 3892
Tulli,

Would you be so kind as to create a custom inf file for my setup (ATI 5850 --> Denon AVR1909 --> Sony KDL40 D3000). I have tried the "generic" samsung + denon and samsung + onkyo files but they don't display the correct resolution for my display which is nativly 1360x768. I can however run the display at 1080p/i and have HD sound using the first of the two inf's. I have also tryed the other inf but they produce an "unsuported resolution" message on my screen.

Many thanks, and keep up the good work.

 

EDID info 4 Denon AVR 1909 & Sony D3000.zip 2.7294921875k . file
post #204 of 3892
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by drdoomslab View Post
Tulli,

Would you be so kind as to create a custom inf file for my setup (ATI 5850 --> Denon AVR1909 --> Sony KDL40 D3000). I have tried the "generic" samsung + denon and samsung + onkyo files but they don't display the correct resolution for my display which is nativly 1360x768. I can however run the display at 1080p/i and have HD sound using the first of the two inf's. I have also tryed the other inf but they produce an "unsuported resolution" message on my screen.

Many thanks, and keep up the good work.
Ok, here's your mod.

 

Sony KDL40 D3000 - DENON 1909.zip 1.22265625k . file
post #205 of 3892
@Tulli

Just to confirm, my Denon AVP-A1HD-A is still working today without the override

Looks like I'm the first to have this experience.

BTW I'm using the Gabest Splitter in conjunction with WMC to play MKV's
post #206 of 3892
Thread Starter 
I use that too. Tested yesterday with 10.2 & Realtek 2.42 with no success on my DENON 988. Without the override I don't even get the third option on PDVD9.

Which version of ffdshow are you using?
post #207 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

I use that too. Tested yesterday with 10.2 & Realtek 2.42 with no success on my DENON 988. Without the override I don't even get the third option on PDVD9.

Which version of ffdshow are you using?

Rev 3246 Jan 30th
post #208 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

I use that too. Tested yesterday with 10.2 & Realtek 2.42 with no success on my DENON 988. Without the override I don't even get the third option on PDVD9.

Which version of ffdshow are you using?

Just to be clear as abbreviations can be misunderstood especially by me

I am using the standard Media Center within Win 7.
post #209 of 3892
Thread Starter 
That's Albain's build, right?. I'm using 3251 but will try that one just in case.

Yeah, I use the Media Center player and Media Browser and can bistream DTS HD and TrueHD (with the EDID override) fine with MKVs.

Could you check that you have no hidden instances of the override in your system? Just open a command window and run these 2 commands:

set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
devmgmt.msc

Then see if you have any "DENON AVAMP (Edid Override)" under Monitors. If so uninstall them and tick "Delete the driver software for this device".

Finally reboot and test again.

Thx.
post #210 of 3892
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

That's Albain's build, right?. I'm using 3251 but will try that one just in case.

Yeah, I use the Media Center player and Media Browser and can bistream DTS HD and TrueHD (with the EDID override) fine with MKVs.

Could you check that you have no hidden instances of the override in your system? Just open a command window and run these 2 commands:

set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
devmgmt.msc

Then see if you have any "DENON AVAMP (Edid Override)" under Monitors. If so uninstall them and tick "Delete the driver software for this device".

Finally reboot and test again.

Thx.

Yes it was an Albian build

Ran the check and found five Generic drivers. No Denon Override. I would have been surprised if it was there after requesting deletion during removal.

I also tried to see if I could load the file without using my install directory and Win 7 could not find it.

One final confirmation, you may recall that I cannot use my PJ and Kuro with different parameters when the Override is in place. That restriction is now gone and I have full control over both displays.
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