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post #1951 of 3565
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Short answer: you should have no issues with the Denon (actually your setup is similar to mine, i.e. a dual monitor/HDTV setup and my AVR is a Denon too).

As for .mkv playback best solution IMO is MPC-HC + ffdshow. Just in case look for dbone1026 setup guide in his sig.
post #1952 of 3565
Thank You :-D
post #1953 of 3565
Hi.

I'm trying to use the overrides for my setup but I can't get it to work.

My TV (LG 47LB2RF) requres 1920x1200 59hz can't run 1080.

I've tried Panasonic TH-42PZ700U - DENON AVR3808.inf and it works fine for sound issues but not for 1920x1200.

Running a Denon AVR-3808.

/Z
post #1954 of 3565
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrus View Post

Hi.

I'm trying to use the overrides for my setup but I can't get it to work.

My TV (LG 47LB2RF) requres 1920x1200 59hz can't run 1080.

I've tried Panasonic TH-42PZ700U - DENON AVR3808.inf and it works fine for sound issues but not for 1920x1200.

Running a Denon AVR-3808.

/Z

A standard HDTV resolution (e.g 1080p/i, 720p) is required by every HDMI 1.3/1.4 AVR/AVP.

But just googled and native resolution of that TV is 1080p. In fact 1920x1200 is a typical native resolution for a PC monitor, not an HDTV like yours.
post #1955 of 3565
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

A standard HDTV resolution (e.g 1080p/i, 720p) is required by every HDMI 1.3/1.4 AVR/AVP.

But just googled and native resolution of that TV is 1080p. In fact 1920x1200 is a typical native resolution for a PC monitor, not an HDTV like yours.

I hear you load and clear. But I'v been running my TV connected to various computers now for some 3 years and it's only 1920x1200 that works good.

I get a massive overscan and bad colors if I run 1080. This is only when connecting a computer, my BlueRay is running 1080 just fine.

I tried various overrides and "LG L246W - DENON 4810" gave perfekt 1920x1200 video but the sound didn't work.

The combination of the Video from "LG L246W - DENON 4810" and the sound from "Panasonic TH-42PZ700U - DENON AVR3808" and I sould be just fine.
If that's possible I have no idea I just know what works on my TV.

Best Regards Z
post #1956 of 3565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

A standard HDTV resolution (e.g 1080p/i, 720p) is required by every HDMI 1.3/1.4 AVR/AVP.

But just googled and native resolution of that TV is 1080p. In fact 1920x1200 is a typical native resolution for a PC monitor, not an HDTV like yours.

Just a comment on you specifications you googled. I'm 99% sure when I bought the TV I read something like "Native res: 1920x1080p (1920x1200p computer)"

/z
post #1957 of 3565
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Well, check the manual, but if that's not a PC monitor its native resolution cannot be 1920x1200.

As for bitstreaming HD, again, your AVR will require a standard HDTV resolution.
post #1958 of 3565
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Well, check the manual, but if that's not a PC monitor its native resolution cannot be 1920x1200.

As for bitstreaming HD, again, your AVR will require a standard HDTV resolution.

I've been bitstreaming DD & DTS with good results in 1920x1200.
But as for HD this isn't possible then?

/Z
post #1959 of 3565
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrus View Post

I've been bitstreaming DD & DTS with good results in 1920x1200.
But as for HD this isn't possible then?

/Z

A standard HDTV resolution is required.
post #1960 of 3565
Hello,
First, I am able to Bitstream TrueHD and DTS Master from my ati 5450 to my Onkyo 605.
But sometimes I have a looot of "soun drops" so that the audio signal has to sync again so that I have no audio for a few seconds. Thats really annoying. So is this a handshake problem?
Currently I have no tv attached to the Onkyo.
Could a edid override solve this?
-edit-
Iam using the latest mpc hc + ffdshow on win7 64bit

 

TX-SR605.zip 3.029296875k . file
post #1961 of 3565
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sam00 View Post

Hello,
First, I am able to Bitstream TrueHD and DTS Master from my ati 5450 to my Onkyo 605.
But sometimes I have a looot of "soun drops" so that the audio signal has to sync again so that I have no audio for a few seconds. Thats really annoying. So is this a handshake problem?
Currently I have no tv attached to the Onkyo.
Could a edid override solve this?
-edit-
Iam using the latest mpc hc + ffdshow on win7 64bit

No, an EDID override won't help. Try different ATI HDMI driver versions, IIRC: 10.12, 10.11, 10.9, 10.8 & 10.6 (maybe 10.9 & 10.8 are the same version).

You don't need to reinstall the video driver, only the HDMI audio driver so uninstall the driver in each case from Device Manager and select the option to delete the driver files. Then custom install the new driver by selecting only the HDMI audio driver.

Of course, you can also try different versions of MPC-HC and ffdshow from www.xvidvideo.ru
post #1962 of 3565
Actually I allready tried all these ccc / driver versions...
post #1963 of 3565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulli View Post
A standard HDTV resolution is required.
OK, now I've tried to use 2 cables one HDMI -> HDMI to the AVR and one DVI -> HDMI to the TV.

Installed the override for the HDMI.

This worked but I have to "Expand" the desktop to the nonexisting "display" on the AVR to enable the HDMI. Maybe there's a workaround for this, nevermind.

I bad thing is I can't use this method for practical issues.

If I simply can't get my HD bitstreaming working with 1920x1200, I'll have to stick with my Low-Def Bitstreaming until one day when I'll get myself a 1920x1080 compatible TV.



Sad ****!

/Z
post #1964 of 3565
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Can you please post the EDID of the LG 47LB2RF? That will tell us for sure what its native resolution really is.
post #1965 of 3565
I have a Gigabyte GTX 460 und a Onkyo TX-SR806...
HD-Sound works now :-)
Thank You so much!
You saved my Weekend :-D
post #1966 of 3565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Can you please post the EDID of the LG 47LB2RF? That will tell us for sure what its native resolution really is.

Ofcourse if I knew how to...

I guess this information is somewhere in this thread.

Also I'm in the wrong thread here, since I have a GF GT430 not Radeon...

/Z
post #1967 of 3565
Here we go .zip was the magic fileformat...

/Z

 

LG 47LB2RF.zip 0.9990234375k . file
post #1968 of 3565
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrus View Post

Here we go .zip was the magic fileformat...

/Z

Yep, I can confirm from the EDID data that native resolution is in fact 1920x1200 so:

1. You either set it to 1920x1080 to pass it through your AVR, or:

2. You use two connections, one Graphic Card->TV, and one to the AVR (in extended mode, i.e. non-cloned mode)
post #1969 of 3565
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Yep, I can confirm that native resolution is in fact 1920x1200 so:

1. You either set it to 1920x1080 to pass it through your AVR, or:

2. You use two connections, one Graphic Card->TV, and one to the AVR (in extended mode, i.e. non-cloned mode)

Damnit!

Very sad.

I'll have to stick with my Low-Def sound then.

Thank you very much for your time Sir.

/Z
post #1970 of 3565
I have a 5850 and an LG 32LD450 with what could possibly be an EDID issue, or at least a correctable issue with an edited override EDID. I've never experienced a problem like this before, though, so I could be totally wrong about this being a potential fix. Kinda desperate at this point.

Here are the connections I've tried when troubleshooting my issue:

5850 HDMI -> Pioneer 1120 -> HDMI in of 32LD450
5850 HDMI -> HDMI in of 32LD450
5850 DVI -> HDMI in of 32LD450

The first two configurations, without exception and regardless of pixel format selected in CCC (versions 10.11 and 10.12, Win7 x64), output YCC 4:2:2. I've verified this with test images. The last configuration, without exception, outputs proper 4:4:4. This reeks of "driver bug" to me, but is it possible to use an EDID override to force my card to output RGB or YCC 4:4:4 by disabling 4:2:2 support? I've attached my EDIDs for the display connected straight to the 5850 and also the display connected via AVR from 5850. I really don't want to give up 8-channel PCM by running a DVI to HDMI cable and SPDIF

 

PIO EDID.txt 5.47265625k . file

 

LG EDID.txt 4.8212890625k . file
post #1971 of 3565
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Quote:
Originally Posted by galneon View Post
I have a 5850 and an LG 32LD450 with what could possibly be an EDID issue, or at least a correctable issue with an edited override EDID. I've never experienced a problem like this before, though, so I could be totally wrong about this being a potential fix. Kinda desperate at this point.

Here are the connections I've tried when troubleshooting my issue:

5850 HDMI -> Pioneer 1120 -> HDMI in of 32LD450
5850 HDMI -> HDMI in of 32LD450
5850 DVI -> HDMI in of 32LD450

The first two configurations, without exception and regardless of pixel format selected in CCC (versions 10.11 and 10.12, Win7 x64), output YCC 4:2:2. I've verified this with test images. The last configuration, without exception, outputs proper 4:4:4. This reeks of "driver bug" to me, but is it possible to use an EDID override to force my card to output RGB or YCC 4:4:4 by disabling 4:2:2 support? I've attached my EDIDs for the display connected straight to the 5850 and also the display connected via AVR from 5850. I really don't want to give up 8-channel PCM by running a DVI to HDMI cable and SPDIF
The 4:2:2 issue should be a driver bug and I don't know if it can be fixed with an EDID override. But there's an EDID override "trick" to fool the graphic driver into detecting the HDMI device as a DVI device so to force RGB levels, which I use myself on my setup. See if it also works for you.

 

LG32LD450 - PIONEER 1120 (DVI).zip 1.19921875k . file
post #1972 of 3565
Thanks for the .inf, but sadly, I'm still getting 4:2:2 with it installed :/ My receiver shows, like usual, that the 5850 is outputting 4:4:4, yet it's clearly downsampled. Even though this .inf successfully tricks CCC into giving me DVI options, it's still outputting downsampled chroma :/

When I had the default PNP monitor .inf installed and the monitor was displayed as an HDMI device in CCC, I could select YCC 4:4:4, 4:2:2, RGB 4:4:4 and RGB 4:2:2. When set to YCC 4:4:4, my AVR would report YCC 444 input/output; when set to YCC 4:2:2, it would report YCC 422 i/o; when set to either RGB setting, it would report RGB Limited input i/o (I gather the RGB Limited problem is a more widespread bug). Currently, with the override .inf, my AVR says the card is outputting YCC 444 still. It seems like, no matter what, the card is downsampling all HDMI output by default regardless of the actual signal it's sending to the receiver (or directly to the TV--makes no difference) or what kind of display CCC detects it as. This has to be a low-level driver bug...

I'll be trying all recent (2010) drivers in the next few days, starting with 10.5.

Just for reference, the two attachments below are with 1) DVI to HDMI cable, 2) HDMI to HDMI cable.

Thanks again, I'll report back when/if I get this working properly...
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post #1973 of 3565
Dear Tulli!

I have Sharp LC52-X20RU LCD TV and Denon AVR-2310 receiver.

I'm using Radeon 5450 (Catalyst 10.12) based PC running Windows 7 64 bit as a source to play ripped blurays.

Everything works except Dolby True HD and DTS HD even after I've updated the firmware on my receiver. Would EDID override work for me?

Could you possibly make an override out of my INFs?

They are taken with Entech Moninfo.

 

Sharp_Denon.zip 2.416015625k . file
post #1974 of 3565
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Which player? With PDVD10 & TMT5 you need latest patches to bitstream HD with 10.12.
post #1975 of 3565
I've got TMT5 with the latest patch compatible with Catalyst 10.12 from the beginning of January 2011.

But I tried different drivers: Realtek and ATI original (all 10 series). It never actually worked for me
post #1976 of 3565
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Do you get all formats displayed on the "Supported Formats" windows of the ATI HDMI Audio driver control panel? Or is the DENON HDMI set to "AMP"?

I ask because you really should't need an EDID override to bistream HD on your setup, so problem must be elsewhere.
post #1977 of 3565
Yes, Windows shows all the formats, but I can choose the passthrough mode in TMT5 (and TMT3 as well) only with the latest Realtek driver (2.45), and then it gives me ability to play DTS HD -- blue logo on the receiver lights on and it shows the format of the sound correctly, and it gives the sound. Dolby True HD doesn't work this way -- receiver plays the sound, but the logo is unactive, and the sound mode seems to be undefined.

If I use an ATI driver (any of the Catalyst 10 series, as far as I remember my experiments), both versions of TMT do not allow me to choose any other sound option, than "Mix to PCM uncompressed audio" and the receiver doesn't show the format of the sound, and both DTS HD and Dolby True HD do not work -- receiver doesn't play the sound and doesn't show the logo. Though I learned from the AVS forum, that ATI original driver seems to be prior to the Realtek one.

I'm very confused with all that stuff and already spent many hours trying to get it work.
post #1978 of 3565
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Ok, here's your mod. Please let me know if it works.

 

Sharp LC52 X20RU - DENON 2310.zip 1.2333984375k . file
post #1979 of 3565
Thank you very much, Tulli!

It's rather late now in Moscow, so I'll try it tomorrow and write a report.
post #1980 of 3565
First of all, thanks for all the hard work here! I may have missed something, so hopefully this is an easy question. My specs:

NVidia GeForce GTS 450 with HDMI connection to:
LG Electronics - 60LD550 (LGE60LD550 ) with optical audio out connection to:
Visio VHT510 5.1 Surround

I initially had the problem of not being able to select 5.1 surround sound. I can now do that after installing LG 42LG50 - TX-SR606.inf

But now when I try to test the surround sound settings in windows, i don't hear any sounds out of the back left and right.

Let me know,
Brendan
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