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post #3181 of 3894
Thread Starter 
Are you sure it's not a problem with the HDMI setup on the AVR? If it works with the AUX HDMI the HTPC is not the problem ...
post #3182 of 3894
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Are you sure it's not a problem with the HDMI setup on the AVR? If it works with the AUX HDMI the HTPC is not the problem ...

Unfortunately that's what I was thinking too. I'll probably go home tonight and do a hard reset on my AVR tonight which I really really didn't want to do since it takes about an hour to get it all set up and calibrated.
post #3183 of 3894
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Originally Posted by Yousty View Post

Unfortunately that's what I was thinking too. I'll probably go home tonight and do a hard reset on my AVR tonight which I really really didn't want to do since it takes about an hour to get it all set up and calibrated.
Before resetting your AVR, carefully compare the HDMI options for the front HDMI input and the rear inputs you're trying. It could be a simple matter of setting the input to passthrough the video, for example.
post #3184 of 3894
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Before resetting your AVR, carefully compare the HDMI options for the front HDMI input and the rear inputs you're trying. It could be a simple matter of setting the input to passthrough the video, for example.

I did that fairly quickly the first night I was trying to get it working but couldn't find any settings differences between the rear and front inputs. I might look through again tonight to make sure before doing a reset. And I know that it's passing through video because I've plugged my 360 and PS3 into that port (outputting the same 1080p 60Hz resolution that I have my PC set at) to make sure it is and every time I have video shows up on the TV instantly, but when I switch the HDMI cable to the PC I get nothing. Has me stumped.
post #3185 of 3894
Hey Guys,

After a week of irritations and lots of hours spening to get my DTS-HD working i`m out of options now.
Let me start from the beginning, i`ve used to had a panasonic plasma in combination with a onkyo tx-sr607.
Htpc with a ATI HD5770, DTS-HD with powerdvd worked like a charm without any problems.
Last week i bought a new 3d led television, the UE55ES6800 from Samsung, it took me for about 3 days to find out i could not watch 3d content over a DVI cable rolleyes.gif .
After i found out i bought a new receiver as well so i could pass thru 3d content, i`d bought the Onkyo TX-SR309 and thats where the whole story goes the wrong way!
I tought it would be plug and play, but unfortanly it became pain in the ass!!! mad.gif
I`ve spend many hours to get the DTS-HD signal to my receiver working again and for now its still not working.
My powerdvd is sending DTS-HD Master Audio, but the output is sending LCPM and my receiver gets it in (stereo) PCM....and after the movie starts powerdvd will only have the option PCM Decoded By Powerdvd or A non Decoded DTS Dolby Digital To Extrenal Device.
The strangest thing is that when i start powerdvd i CAN choose the non decoded high definition sound to externel device, but as soon as i start the movie the option will be disabled and removed from the list.
I did alot of researching on the web and seen all kind of (not working for me) solutions, now i got here and see there`s something with EDID thingy.
I really hope after all these hours this will be the solution for me to get my sound back again, the problem now is that i don`t know how to modify the EDID inf file for my television and receiver.
Is there someone around here who can help me to get my sound back again and who`s been willing to modify the EDID file for me....frown.gif

Regards

Nick
Edited by Nicksterrr - 6/7/12 at 12:06am
post #3186 of 3894
There`s one more thing, the manual says:

Digital Audio:

Note:
• When an HDMI IN is assigned to an input selector in
“HDMI Input” (➔ page 30), this input assignment is
automatically set to the same HDMI IN. And in addition to the
usual inputs (e.g., COAXIAL, etc.), you can also select HDMI
inputs.

The weirdest thing is that i can only choose, Coaxial, Optical 1, Optical 2 or - - - - -.

I have no option to choose HDMI as sound input, anyone who can confirm that he can choose the HDMI option?
Edited by Nicksterrr - 6/7/12 at 12:32am
post #3187 of 3894
Hey Guys,

After a week of irritations and lots of hours spening to get my DTS-HD working i`m out of options now.
Let me start from the beginning, i`ve used to had a panasonic plasma in combination with a onkyo tx-sr607.
Htpc with a ATI HD5770, DTS-HD with powerdvd worked like a charm without any problems.
Last week i bought a new 3d led television, the UE55ES6800 from Samsung, it took me for about 3 days to find out i could not watch 3d content over a DVI cable:rolleyes:.
After i found out i bought a new receiver as well so i could pass thru 3d content, i`d bought the Onkyo TX-SR309 and thats where the whole story goes the wrong way!
I tought it would be plug and play, but unfortanly it became pain in the ass!!!mad.gif
I`ve spend many hours to get the DTS-HD signal to my receiver working again and for now its still not working.
My powerdvd is sending DTS-HD Master Audio, but the output is sending LCPM and my receiver gets it in stereo....and after the movie starts powerdvd will only have the option PCM Decoded By Powerdvd or A non Decoded DTS Dolby Digital To Extrenal Device.
The strangest thing is that when i start powerdvd i CAN choose the non decoded high definition sound to externel device, but as soon as i start the movie the option will be disabled and removed from the list.
I did alot of researching on the web and seen all kind of (not working for me) solutions, now i got here and see there`s something with EDID thingy.
I really hope after all these hours this will be the solution for me to get my sound back again, the problem now is that i don`t know how to modify the EDID inf file for my television and receiver.
Is there someone around here who can help me to get my sound back again and who`s been willing to modify the EDID file for me....frown.gif

Regards

Nick
post #3188 of 3894
Thread Starter 
If TrueHD and DTS HD are listed on the "Supported Formats" tab of the HDMI audio device properties then it is not an EDID problem, and if fact you can select "non decoded high definition audio ...", so it really looks like a PDVD issue.

Try doing a clean up of registry leftovers for monitor drivers as explained in section 4 of first post, and maybe reinstalling PDVD. If appicable install the trial of AnyDVDHD.
post #3189 of 3894
Thnx for the reply,

I also have the problem with TMT 3, and the strange thing is that everything used to work on my old receiver.
I`m going to buy a mediaplayer in a bit, hopefully that will solve all my problems.
Will also try to do what you said, but i don`t think it will make any diference.

I let it know in a few days!
post #3190 of 3894
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Before resetting your AVR, carefully compare the HDMI options for the front HDMI input and the rear inputs you're trying. It could be a simple matter of setting the input to passthrough the video, for example.

I'm happy to report that I FINALLY got a rear hdmi input on my AVR to pass through my htpc signal last night! After taking gsr's advice and going through ensuring that all the settings for my rear inputs and aux input were the exact same (which they were) I decided to do some more internet scouring and decided to read through batpig's AMAZING Denon AVR owner's thread to see if he mentions anything about htpc's having issues and sure enough he does in this section. Specifically this part: "Try each of the HDMI inputs on the AVR (especially the one closest to the HDMI Monitor Out jack) as well as ensuring the HTPC is set to a standard TV resolution rather than the default resolution of the HTPC's display." On my AVR I have 6 hdmi inputs on the rear and one on the front, I had only tried hdmi inputs 1 through 4 on the rear and 7 which is on the front. For some reason 7 would work no problems but 1 through 4 gave me a black screen, so I decided to try batpig's advice and plug into input 6 which is closest to the monitor out jack and voilà it passed through the video no problem just like when I used the aux hdmi input on the front of the AVR. I have NO idea why inputs 6 and 7 work, and the rest don't but I'm just ecstatic to finally be able to use my AVR with my htpc.

Also want to thank Tulli again for this amazing thread and all his work because I still needed to use one of his custom EDID inf files to make the htpc work flawlessly with my AVR. Thank you, Tulli!
post #3191 of 3894
Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

I got it working!!!

After buying a Iconbit1003d i`d tried to give it one more shot to fix it so i would not have to use the Mediaplayer i just bought.
When i came home i removed the drivers just like Tullie said, firt i tried it without the override and hoped that windows would find out that there`s an onkyo connected in stead of a generic upnp monitor.
After i rebooted the computer windows still see`s the onkyo as a generic upnp monitor so i decided to give it a shot with 1 of the override files.
I downloaded 2 files, 1 of an onkyo 906 and 1 of a 309 like i have.
First i tried the onkyo 906 file, install, reboot and there it was in the list showen as an onkyo.
I opend powerdvd 11 and YES BABY the bitstream worked!!!!
Finally after all these days i got them working again, but when i tried to watch the movie in 3d it became the red/cyan screen.
Hmmm thats not good, it used to pop the screen and it should get in "normal" 3d.....
I was thinking what could go wrong and checked out google if the 906 receiver was made for 3d, well i found out that the 906 could`nt pass thru 3d.
Luckely for me there was a 309 file on the list, only the tv type didn`t matched but i suggest to give it another shot.
After redoing the install procedure i first tried the bitstream, that still worked and when i press the 3d button the tv popped on 3d and everything was working fine!!!!

F**K YEAHHHHH!!! cool.gif
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

If TrueHD and DTS HD are listed on the "Supported Formats" tab of the HDMI audio device properties then it is not an EDID problem, and if fact you can select "non decoded high definition audio ...", so it really looks like a PDVD issue.
Try doing a clean up of registry leftovers for monitor drivers as explained in section 4 of first post, and maybe reinstalling PDVD. If appicable install the trial of AnyDVDHD.

This is the weirdest thing, the audio tab was showing the formats before i did all this, the TrueHD and DTS HD where listed but my computer just didn`t let them use me for some kind of reason.
I could select non decoded high definition audio but the streams werent presented to the receiver, now they are so it was definitly a EDID problem.


well after all i`m glad everything worked, thnx to the Sony KDL46EX720 - ONKYO TX-SR309.inf that tulli made, now i can return the iconbit today and get my money back hahaha!!!

Thnx in advance!!!

Nick
post #3192 of 3894
Still reading but it's clear the issues I've been having fall right in line with this thread. My HT setup includes a Pioneer SC-27 Receiver and a Panasonic TC-P60ST30 plasma display. Upgraded my PC with an AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series Video Card to play newer games and add an HDMI connection. I've used an optical connection for 5.1 audio but games are changing... Diablo III requires HDMI to pass Uncompressed PCM... otherwise it's 2-channel audio, even with an optical connection.

Tested HDMI a month or so ago but scrapped the idea because I only wanted audio to pass through HDMI... want video to stay with my PC monitor... and couldn't get it to work. Decided to give it another shot today but now I can't seem to get audio or video to pass to the receiver at all. Tried several suggestions made to others but no good.

Now looking at the EDIDOverride file. Found inf files for a Pioneer SC-07 which I think is a higher end model of my SC-27, and a Panasonic TX-P50VT30 which is a smaller but higher end UK model of my TC-P50VT30. While I read on how to modify the overvide file, I would appreciate any thoughts on these inf files I found. Thanks.
post #3193 of 3894
Thanks Tulli !!!
FIXED!!!
- All supported resolutions including 3D output enabled.
- All audio options upto 5.1 channel surround sound enabled

Now have all supported resolutions including 3D and 5.1 sound from my Dell XPS L501X thru my Sony BDV-E380 to my Samsung PS51D490. All my components are HDMI 1.4 and 3D capable.
Although the built in screen does not support 3D, my Dell supports 3D video and audio output thru HDMI. Still couldnt get 3D output to my Samsung PS51D490 until I used the NVIDIA-UN-3DTV.inf EDID override. Subsequently lost 3D and 5.1 sound from my laptop after completing my Home Theatre setup with the addition of my new (3D capable) Sony BDV-E380 AV reciever, thats when I stumbled upon Tulli's post here. His sample overrides couldn't get me the combo I needed so I decided to do some EDID overriding my self. Although the task initially appeared very daunting, I soon realized after reading these forums and playing around with the EDID editor that it was much simpler than it looked, thanks to all the hard work having already been done by Tulli. Here's how I did it:

Files Required :
- EDID editor
- Monitor Asset Manager (MonInfo)
- Corresponding Monitor/TV .inf file (In my case it was NVIDIA-UN-3DTV.inf which enabled 3D output as well as other resolutions on my TV)
- Corresponding AV reciever .inf file (In my case I used the Samsung LN-S4095D - SONY STR-DA5300ES.inf file from Tulli's thread which I believe is generic for Sony AVRs)

Editing:
- Open your Display's .inf file in Notepad and copy the following lines of code for the Base EDID to your clipboard as shown:
160
- Open EDID Editor and then click on 'Paste from clipboard". Select yes for "Is this the Base EDID block ?"
- Now open your AVR's .inf file in Notepad and copy the Extension EDID as shown:
160
- Back in the EDID Editor click on 'Paste from clipboard" again. This time select no for "Is this the Base EDID block ?" (The dummy extension block will be overwritten)
- Now click "Save Binary file", type in a suitable name for your file and then click on "Open" to save your file in the desired location.
- Lastly open your .bin file in MonInfo(File -> Open) and save your file as .inf (File -> Create INF) and
VOILA !!! your Ready-fix is ripe for installation (Just follow Tulli's installation guide)

Here's the file which I suspect may be applicable to most 5.1 channel AVR + 3D TV setups:
NVIDIA-UN-3DTV-SONY-AVR.zip 1k .zip file

ENJOY
Edited by azzazzin - 6/18/12 at 1:25am
post #3194 of 3894
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

Still reading but it's clear the issues I've been having fall right in line with this thread. My HT setup includes a Pioneer SC-27 Receiver and a Panasonic TC-P60ST30 plasma display. Upgraded my PC with an AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series Video Card to play newer games and add an HDMI connection. I've used an optical connection for 5.1 audio but games are changing... Diablo III requires HDMI to pass Uncompressed PCM... otherwise it's 2-channel audio, even with an optical connection.
Tested HDMI a month or so ago but scrapped the idea because I only wanted audio to pass through HDMI... want video to stay with my PC monitor... and couldn't get it to work. Decided to give it another shot today but now I can't seem to get audio or video to pass to the receiver at all. Tried several suggestions made to others but no good.
Now looking at the EDIDOverride file. Found inf files for a Pioneer SC-07 which I think is a higher end model of my SC-27, and a Panasonic TX-P50VT30 which is a smaller but higher end UK model of my TC-P50VT30. While I read on how to modify the overvide file, I would appreciate any thoughts on these inf files I found. Thanks.

You could try any of the Panasonic TC-xxxxxxx in the table on 1st post, even if the AVR is not a Pioneer. If it fixes your problem and want to have a custom EDID just capture and post both EDIDs for a mod.

But maybe you don't need an EDID override at all. Follow steps in section 4 of 1st. post to remove all registry leftovers for monitor drivers and do a clean install of the AMD drivers. Try latest 12.6beta.
Edited by Tulli - 6/18/12 at 3:11am
post #3195 of 3894
Thanks. I'm also reviewing Azzazzin's post above about using the editor.

I do have a question about something that's confused me since I first attempted to setup my system with HDMI. When I'm looking at my dual monitor setup, whether it's via Windows 7 or the Catalyst Control Center, it shows the 2nd display as an SC-27... my receiver. Never was sure if that was part of the problem so wondering if that will always be the case, or when I'm finished should it show something else?

Edit: Scratch this post... I should have known it came from the inf file. With the new inf file I created it now shows Panasonic TV... perfect.
Edited by 65Cobra427SC - 6/18/12 at 4:47pm
post #3196 of 3894
I created a new inf file and managed to get everything working so thanks for the help. Diablo III is so much more intense... or could it be the drastic change in sound is just making "me" more tense eek.gif

Now I only have one more issue...

When I'm playing games, I obviously want audio to go to the receiver... my whole reason for doing this... but I prefer to use my computer monitor as the display. At the moment this is working because I'm duplicating my desktop between the computer monitor and my plasma television. Problem is, if I turn off the plasma television the sound stops? Please tell me there is a way around this.
post #3197 of 3894
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

I created a new inf file and managed to get everything working so thanks for the help. Diablo III is so much more intense... or could it be the drastic change in sound is just making "me" more tense eek.gif
Now I only have one more issue...
When I'm playing games, I obviously want audio to go to the receiver... my whole reason for doing this... but I prefer to use my computer monitor as the display. At the moment this is working because I'm duplicating my desktop between the computer monitor and my plasma television. Problem is, if I turn off the plasma television the sound stops? Please tell me there is a way around this.

You want the HDMI connection to stay alive regardless of the switching on the TV, or that the AMD driver won't detect any, so:

Try disabling the "AMD External Events Utility" service.

Or, this fix will work for sure as it will inhibit any hot-plug detection of HDMI devices.

The most expensive solution is of course a Gefen Detective device.
post #3198 of 3894
Thanks for replying... the tape idea was great and will keep it in mind just in case... but I returned to say the problem has been resolved... turns out that exact problem was an issue with Catalyst Control Center 12.4.

I hadn't installed CCC 12.6 Beta yet since I avoid Beta versions, but in this case I ran across a forum where everyone was having the same and similar issues as I was and they all had the same thing in common... they were all running 12.4 so early on they were switching back to 12.3 which worked... but when 12.6 Beta came out AMD said they fixed the problem.

Now everything is working exaclty the way I had hoped for... so I'm a happy camper. Anyway I also wanted to thank the OP for starting this thread, as well as everyone else who took the time to post their findings within this thread.

BTW, a separate thank you to azzazzin for his explanation (above) on using EDID editor... made it easy to follow. I'll probably follow this thread for a while just to see how things are.

Thanks
post #3199 of 3894
Hi Tulli,

Would you mind trying to help me? I have an issue that's driving me completely nuts.

I have a laptop hooked up via HDMI to an LG 42LD520 HDTV, which is supposed to pass digital connections via toslink through to my Onkyo TX-DS595, from way back in the pre-HDMI days. Of course, I'm having the same problem a lot of people seem to have, that my EDID on the TV says it can only handle two channel sound.

I tried the method at the beginning of this thread using the LG 55LD520 - ONKYO TX-SR308 driver but it didn't work - I think this might be because I'm on an Intel HD4000 laptop? I read in a related thread that this chipset worked with EDID overrides where the older ones didn't.

Anything you could do would be awesome. I'm attaching my EDID info if it helps. Thank you! LGD033E.zip 0k .zip file
post #3200 of 3894
Thread Starter 
The bandwidth through the TV is only enough for 2 channels LPCM (this is Windows correct detection) and multi-channel compressed audio (DD & DTS). So 2 channels is not an error. You only need an EDID override if DD and DTS do not show up on the "Supported Formats" window for the HDMI audio device. Otherwise just set your application to send a DD or DTS audio stream and it will work. For games you'll require live audio encoding of course. If so use a toslink connection.
post #3201 of 3894
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Originally Posted by 65Cobra427SC View Post

Thanks for replying... the tape idea was great and will keep it in mind just in case... but I returned to say the problem has been resolved... turns out that exact problem was an issue with Catalyst Control Center 12.4.
I hadn't installed CCC 12.6 Beta yet since I avoid Beta versions, but in this case I ran across a forum where everyone was having the same and similar issues as I was and they all had the same thing in common... they were all running 12.4 so early on they were switching back to 12.3 which worked... but when 12.6 Beta came out AMD said they fixed the problem.
Now everything is working exaclty the way I had hoped for... so I'm a happy camper. Anyway I also wanted to thank the OP for starting this thread, as well as everyone else who took the time to post their findings within this thread.
BTW, a separate thank you to azzazzin for his explanation (above) on using EDID editor... made it easy to follow. I'll probably follow this thread for a while just to see how things are.
Thanks

Glad I could simplify things . Btw just wanted to clarify that my graphics card is an nVidia GeForce GT 435M (2GB) and am actually using a virtual USB IR emitter dongle to enable 3D Vision output
post #3202 of 3894
Hi Tulli, thanks!

That is indeed the case - Windows just doesn't buy that my TV can accept DTS or DD signals and it changes them to regular PCM signals before they even reach my TV. The supported formats tab says "No compressed formats found." I'm attaching a picture below. I've tried using VLC and WinDVD to send DTS and DD signals with no success, both with and without the EDID drivers I mentioned trying.

Do you think that an EDID override could help in this case even though I'm using an Intel IB chip?

Again, thanks for this great thread and any help you can give.

LGTV.png 38k .png file
post #3203 of 3894
Thread Starter 
I checked the EDID of the 52 model of your TV and in fact it does not include DD or DTS descriptors. Try the attached mod. If the TV can passthrough DD or DTS it should work now.

LG 55LD520+DD+DTS.zip 1k .zip file
post #3204 of 3894
Dear Tulli,

Although I am using my modded EDID override successfully to enable 5.1 sound from my laptop (nVidia graphics) thru my 3D capable Sony BDV-E380 AVR I have realized that I cannot get 3D output (only anaglyphic) to my Samsung Plasma PS-51D490 TV. I can still get 3D if I connect directly to the TV (with the 5.1 channel option under HDMI audio & windows settings) using the same EDID override driver. Basically when I connect thru my Sony AVR my display/TV is not recognized as 3D capable for some reason.
Please advise.
I'm attaching the original 3D override file, my modded 3D override (with altered extension bloc from your Samsung LN-S4095D - SONY STR-DA5300ES.inf file enabling 5.1 output) and my original Sony BDV-E380 file. What I require is 3D as well as 5.1 (including SACD if possible) support.
Thanks

3D+Audio.zip 4k .zip file
post #3205 of 3894
Thread Starter 
Can you please post the native real-time EDID of your 3D TV? It is necessary for a proper mod for your setup.
post #3206 of 3894
Hi Tulli, thanks again for responding!

Unfortunately, I'm still being told that no additional formats are supported when I look at my device in the Sound section of the Control Panel. The new EDID files don't seem to change anything when I replace the Generic PnP Monitor drivers with a custom EDID - it still just sees a regular LG TV. (I did doublecheck the instructions and I'm fairly sure I'm doing it the right way, though with me there's always a possibility of user error.)

Does this just mean that my graphics card (Intel HD 4000) isn't accepting the override? Starting to think I may be SOL here. Thank you again for your help with this.
post #3207 of 3894
Thread Starter 
Remove any registry leftovers by following section 4 on 1st. post. Then apply the EDID override again and reboot. Unless there's a problem with the EDID override installation DD and DTS will show up for the HDMI audio device.

If it still doesn't work could it be IVB? I'm still not sure that latest Intel IGPs accept an EDID override.
post #3208 of 3894
Thanks for the reply Tulli
Here's my (51D490 series) Samsung Plasma 3D 720p TV's native EDID in bin and inf formats as requested. Would be much obliged if you'd indicate how you fixed it

3D-TV.zip 2k .zip file
post #3209 of 3894
No dice! I'm going to chalk it up to the chip not allowing EDID overrides - I tried everything, including deleting the registry files, to no avail.

For reference, I have a 3rd Generation Core i7 3612-QM notebook chip. It's possible it might work in other Ivy Bridge chips, I don't know.

These drivers don't seem to have any negative effect on my display or the PCM stream, so I'm going to leave them in for now. I will check it periodically as they release new drivers for the HD4000 GPU and will come back to this thread if anything changes.

Thanks a ton for trying - it is really awesome that you help people with this stuff. Keep up the great work.
post #3210 of 3894
Thread Starter 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azzazzin View Post

Thanks for the reply Tulli
Here's my (51D490 series) Samsung Plasma 3D 720p TV's native EDID in bin and inf formats as requested. Would be much obliged if you'd indicate how you fixed it
3D-TV.zip 2k .zip file

The Audio Block of the Sony AVR had only 2-LPCM, DD & DTS. Replaced it with a full audio block.

Samsung PS-51D490 + Full Audio.zip 1k .zip file

================
Note: just realized that native resolution is 1360x768! This is not a standard HDTV resolution so you might still run into issues by going through the AVR. If so using separate connections to the TV and AVR is one solution.

OTH resolution in the NVIDIA-UN-3DTV is 1080i. Do this: use the base block of the this .inf file., as before, but the extension block from my mod above. Maybe it'll work this way as the native VSDB block of the Samsung Plasma is untouched in the extension block (which AFAIK is crucial for 3D).
Edited by Tulli - 6/20/12 at 5:58pm
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