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post #3271 of 3568
9/12/12 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Captures are still only 128-bytes (there's no HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"1", line in the .inf file). What is the model of your JVC proj.? Maybe I already have the full EDID in my DB.

I'm truly sorry...don't quit know how to capture in 256-bytes. not sure what I'm doing wrong.
My projector is a:
JVC DLA-RS45

Thank you
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post #3272 of 3568
9/12/12 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

I'm truly sorry...don't quit know how to capture in 256-bytes. not sure what I'm doing wrong.
My projector is a:
JVC DLA-RS45
Thank you

Have the RS50 that I guess should work with the RS45:

JVC RS50 + Audio Block.zip 1k .zip file
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post #3273 of 3568
9/12/12 at 4:50pm
Wow this is frustrating as hell...I installed the file you sent me...it says so in device manager.
I rebooted twice and still no sound and cannot get 3D to work.

What am I missing
Thanks so much for helping.

Also been trying to get the monino to do the 256-bytes but am unable and have no idea why.

Am I supposed to connect my videocard directly to the projector?
It's not right now it going through the receiver first then to the projector...is this right?
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post #3274 of 3568
9/12/12 at 5:22pm
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It should work with the override. But just use two separate connections, to the proj. and the AVR.
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post #3275 of 3568
9/12/12 at 6:56pm
Hi Tulli,

I really appreciate your help...so thanks first.

The only way for me to watch 3D has been running 2 cards...my 5770 to the projector and a 5450 to the AVR.
I'm fed up of running it this way because I want the on-screen menu from the AVR to be seen.

Today I purchased a 7550 videocard thinking this would work but it doesn't. Of course I'm using bypass on the receiver and it still doesn't work.
I also do not get any sound...there's an X on the sound icon on the taskbar...
Could it be the inf file you gave me does not work for my RS45 projector?
I was thinking an EDID override would work.

There's got to be a way for it to work...what else can I do?
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post #3276 of 3568
9/12/12 at 7:41pm
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For the audio problem try a different video driver, from CAT 12.6 beta. The .inf is OK. I compared it with your RS45 base block and video timings are the same. If the EDID override is correctly applied you should see all audio formats listed on the "Supported Formats" window of the AMD HDMI audio driver configuration.

You really don't need the 2 cards. One is enough with separate connections, but an AMD proprietary DVI-HDMI adapter is required for the additional HDMI connection.

Finally, can the HK AVR produce sound without an active HDMI video out connection?
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post #3277 of 3568
9/13/12 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

For the audio problem try a different video driver, from CAT 12.6 beta. The .inf is OK. I compared it with your RS45 base block and video timings are the same. If the EDID override is correctly applied you should see all audio formats listed on the "Supported Formats" window of the AMD HDMI audio driver configuration.
You really don't need the 2 cards. One is enough with separate connections, but an AMD proprietary DVI-HDMI adapter is required for the additional HDMI connection.
Finally, can the HK AVR produce sound without an active HDMI video out connection?Yes it can

Tulli,

I've tried now 12.1 through 12.8 and none give me sound.
They all say "not plugged in". This is when I'm in bypass mode on the Amp.
In regular mode sound works and all formats are supported.

The whole reason for this is I want it to work WITH the amp.
Could it be the EDID does not work?

I don't know what else to try?
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post #3278 of 3568
9/13/12 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

Tulli,
I've tried now 12.1 through 12.8 and none give me sound.
They all say "not plugged in". This is when I'm in bypass mode on the Amp.
In regular mode sound works and all formats are supported.
The whole reason for this is I want it to work WITH the amp.
Could it be the EDID does not work?
I don't know what else to try?

Have you tried downgrading CCC to v11.4? I have found this to be a good starting point for driver issues, it just seems to always work. YMMV.

David
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post #3279 of 3568
9/13/12 at 6:57am
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I'm not familiar with HK but you say that sound works in "regular mode" and "all formats supported". What is "bypass mode"? And does 3D work through the AVR?
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post #3280 of 3568
9/13/12 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by DavidT99 View Post

Have you tried downgrading CCC to v11.4? I have found this to be a good starting point for driver issues, it just seems to always work. YMMV.
David

Hi David,
Thanks for helping...I just tried 11.4 and it doesn't work for me. sorry

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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

I'm not familiar with HK but you say that sound works in "regular mode" and "all formats supported". What is "bypass mode"? And does 3D work through the AVR?


Tulli,

In order for 3D to work, I have to set the HK to bypass mode. This sends the signal directly to the projector bypassing the HK.
There's a member here that said his worked only after having changed his VC to the 6XXX series.
I know the 7XXX series is supposed to be the same re 1.4a compliant.

Is there something to do with the HK EDID?

Again, If I DO NOT put the bypass mode...everything works EXCEPT 3D!
When in Bypass mode...no sound and no 3D.

I really want this to work and do not know what to do anymore...
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post #3281 of 3568
9/13/12 at 8:08am
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The HK EDID is irrelevant except for the audio block. The EDID override is actually the merge of the proj. video data & (a standard) audio block, and it only serves for detection of video and audio capabilities by the graphic driver.

Now doesn't "bypass mode" on the HK also mean analog audio direct output ? That would explain why you get no audio at all as in bypass mode digital audio processing is also shut off on the HK.

So, 1) You either use separate connections (if the HK does produce sound without an active HDMI out. Or 2) You set the HK in "bypass mode" but then it must be fed with a 7.1 audio analog input (can it be done?).

For 1) if the HK requires an active HDMI out a possible solution is an (expensive) Gefen Device ...

Maybe a call to HK support is in place here ...
Edited by Tulli - 9/13/12 at 8:20am
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post #3282 of 3568
9/13/12 at 9:48am
Tulli,

Thanks again for all your help...it is greatly appreciated!
I returned the 7750 videocard and have given up.
I believe the problem is my HK receiver and will give them a call.

I will seek help on the HK forum and see if something is up with my unit.

Again, thanks for all your help.
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

So, 1) You either use separate connections (if the HK does produce sound without an active HDMI out.

In order to have 3D working from my HTPC, I need to have 2 VC's. 1 connected to the projector and the other to the HK amp.
This is the only way for me to have 3D to work form my HTPC.
I tried with 1 VC but could never get it to work.

Kind regards.
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post #3283 of 3568
9/14/12 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

No, you need a new custom override. Just capture and post the real time EDID of your new TV.

Tulli,

Sorry for the delay on posting the INF.

Thanks again,
-MrN

Samsung PN51D550.txt 3k .txt file
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post #3284 of 3568
9/14/12 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by mrnewbie View Post

Tulli,
Sorry for the delay on posting the INF.
Thanks again,
-MrN
Samsung PN51D550.txt 3k .txt file

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Samsung PN51D550+AC3&DTS.zip 1k .zip file
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post #3285 of 3568
9/14/12 at 5:13pm
Thanks for the quick post, Tulli, however,
After applying the override, I still get no detection of supported compressed formats in windows playback device settings (HDMI) and am thus stuck with 2ch audio. Any ideas?
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post #3286 of 3568
9/14/12 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by mrnewbie View Post

Thanks for the quick post, Tulli, however,
After applying the override, I still get no detection of supported compressed formats in windows playback device settings (HDMI) and am thus stuck with 2ch audio. Any ideas?

2 channel audio is correct. It means for Windows 2 channels uncompressed audio (LPCM), which is the maximum bandwidth for S/PDIF. Just set your video player to muiltichannel compressed audio (e.g. AC3) and it will work.
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post #3287 of 3568
9/14/12 at 10:38pm
Tulli,

When I switch inputs on my Denon AVR-987, and then return to my AMD 5570 equipped HTPC on the other hdmi input to the receiver, the resolution switches to something lower than 1080p...a quick minimize/maximize of windows media center fixes the problem. I'm wondering if a custom mod, where I would have a portion of the tv's EDID (Panasonic 60ST30) in place of whatever the card would normally use for the Denon, would fix the problem. Is a custom mod that fixes this possible, and what would I need to provide you with? I assume you need the .inf for both devices, but I thought you might have them already.
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post #3288 of 3568
9/15/12 at 5:08am
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No, this is a WMC issue that can't be fixed with an EDID override.
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post #3289 of 3568
9/15/12 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

2 channel audio is correct. It means for Windows 2 channels uncompressed audio (LPCM), which is the maximum bandwidth for S/PDIF. Just set your video player to muiltichannel compressed audio (e.g. AC3) and it will work.

My apologies, I worded my response poorly; it appears that DTS and DD (AC3) is still unsupported as encoded/compressed formats after applying the override, as I cannot get the passthrough to work as I could on my prior TV (the LCD Samsung A550) after its EDID override was applied (my application settings are the same, so I know that MPC-HC is setup correctly w/ ffdshow, for instance). On the prior TV, after the override was applied, it listed the encoded formats under windows playback properties, whereas. still no dice with this 3D plasama (Samsung D550)..

EDIT: I reinstalled the Catalyst drivers and now passthrough is working, but ONLY for DD, I get no audio passthrough of DTS, despite it being supported (and listed as such, thanks to the EDID).



-MrN
Edited by mrnewbie - 9/15/12 at 11:54am
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post #3290 of 3568
9/15/12 at 12:50pm
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Not sure Samsung TVs can passthrough DTS.
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post #3291 of 3568
9/15/12 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Not sure Samsung TVs can passthrough DTS.

Yeah, I think that's the issue; guess I got lucky with my old Samsung A550. Oh well... time to bust out the dremel and add a digital coax jack to this PC... there's definitely a SPDIF header on the mainboard.
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post #3292 of 3568
9/21/12 at 6:26am
Hi Tull,

I'm trying this again
Hope you can help...
I upgraded my PC...new motherboard, new CPU I5 3570K w/ intel 4000HD. and new memory

I've attached 2 captures...1 straight through and the other with bypass on.
They look different to me

With the upgraded PC I still do not get sound.

Hope you can help

Many thanks JVCRS45 Bypass HK 7550HD.zip 3k .zip file
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post #3293 of 3568
9/21/12 at 9:46am
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Bypass EDID has the audio block completely messed-up. Pass-through EDID has audio OK but VSD block that is crucial for 3D is not being replicated. So the previous EDID override that I posted is still the one to use as an override.

But again, and now that you're on Intel 4000, the solution is to use two separate connections. You'll just need a standard DVI/HDMI adapter or cable for the DVI connection.
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post #3294 of 3568
9/21/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Bypass EDID has the audio block completely messed-up. Pass-through EDID has audio OK but VSD block that is crucial for 3D is not being replicated. So the previous EDID override that I posted is still the one to use as an override.
But again, and now that you're on Intel 4000, the solution is to use two separate connections. You'll just need a standard DVI/HDMI adapter or cable for the DVI connection.

Tulli,

I'm using the JVC RS50 + Audio Block.inf that you posted and I still have no sound.
Can the one I submitted be fixed?
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post #3295 of 3568
9/21/12 at 12:42pm
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Won't be different to the previous one.
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post #3296 of 3568
9/21/12 at 10:11pm
Unless something changed and I missed the memo, Intel graphics do not support EDID overrides.
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post #3297 of 3568
9/22/12 at 6:32am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Won't be different to the previous one.

Well, I've practically tried everything to get this gong with 1 card and failed miserably!
I've spent $500 on a motherboard, new CPU and memory and still cannot get it going.
I've tried a HD7750 videocard...it failed too.

I'm now back to using 2 video cards to have my 3D to work...to say I'm disappointed is an understatement!

The reason why I wanted this to work is so I can see the on-screen menu of my amp.
With the card connected directly to the projector, this is impossible in my case!

So, I've given up for a 2nd time now
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post #3298 of 3568
9/22/12 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

Unless something changed and I missed the memo, Intel graphics do not support EDID overrides.

Hi, vladd. There's been at least one report of success on the Intel 4000HD. But true, I'm still not sure that it really works.
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post #3299 of 3568
9/22/12 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

Well, I've practically tried everything to get this gong with 1 card and failed miserably!
I've spent $500 on a motherboard, new CPU and memory and still cannot get it going.
I've tried a HD7750 videocard...it failed too.
I'm now back to using 2 video cards to have my 3D to work...to say I'm disappointed is an understatement!
The reason why I wanted this to work is so I can see the on-screen menu of my amp.
With the card connected directly to the projector, this is impossible in my case!
So, I've given up for a 2nd time now

Yes, but the HK is the problem. In fact, for sometime HK AVRs have been generally a problem with HTPCs.
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post #3300 of 3568
9/22/12 at 8:24am
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Yes, but the HK is the problem. In fact, for sometime HK AVRs have been generally a problem with HTPCs.

My apology Tulli, I forgot to thank you for all your help!

I have an RMA for my HK and hope they will fix it this time!
This will be the 3rd attempt they try to fix it.

Thank you for all
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