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post #31 of 819
2/17/10 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Given it's footprint is a 20" cube with a 1000 watt BASH amp (instead of an ICE amp), if it performs near where the Submersive performs that would be a feat on its own.

Some would pay the extra money for the difference in fit and finish, size, DSP controls on the amp, single band EQ (maybe more with the new DSP), the driver is likely going to be much more bullet proof (that matters to some though the chances of ever blowing a driver in the Submersive is slim to none), possibly more more linear, etc.

However, I highly doubt it will hit the same SPL levels as the Submersive, as they are targeting the F113 and Paradigm sealed single unit offerings (and the HSU ULS to a lessor extent, though I'm sure the SB13 will be more or less on par with the ULS in terms of output, though it too is considerably more expensive - again, fit/finish, DSP, driver quality - speculation on the driver quality of course ).

not only a feat but I suspect it will break the laws of physics

It simple takes power at that small volume and massive Xmax so the answer is NO!!

Try LMS5400 + 4000 Watts. Now someone needs to bring that to the market!!
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post #32 of 819
2/17/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by jpmst3 View Post

Good question.

Lack of power from built-in amps is definitely a short coming for commercial sealed offerings.

JL seems to be one of the only setups that packs some real power built-in.
Of course, I don't what their amp actually puts out either.

Paradigm's Sub 25 seems to be the same, 3,000 watts RMS, supposedly (though most will never get anywhere near that on 15amp circuits).
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post #33 of 819
2/17/10 at 3:07pm
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It simple takes power at that small volume and massive Xmax so the answer is NO!!

Try LMS5400 + 4000 Watts. Now someone needs to bring that to the market!!

You know it!
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post #34 of 819
2/17/10 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

not only a feat but I suspect it will break the laws of physics

It simple takes power at that small volume and massive Xmax so the answer is NO!!

Try LMS5400 + 4000 Watts. Now someone needs to bring that to the market!!

Could you imagine the price of that sub if it was to be massed produced? $1440 just for the driver!

Would love to see someone come up with a more powerful plate amp. Paradigm should consider outsourcing the puppy they put into the Sub 25. Though, I thought I recalled reading Kal's review of the Sub 15 and he mentions there are actually two 850 watt amps in the Sub 15? Off topic, but interesting. " Second, two 850W class-D amps replace the Servo-15's single 400W discrete amp."
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post #35 of 819
2/17/10 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

not only a feat but I suspect it will break the laws of physics

It simple takes power at that small volume and massive Xmax so the answer is NO!!

Try LMS5400 + 4000 Watts. Now someone needs to bring that to the market!!



That is exactly what I brought to MY Own Market x 3


I got this....
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post #36 of 819
2/18/10 at 1:55pm
I liked the part in the description of the SB13-Plus that said it will give anyone ready to spend $4000 on a competitors subwoofer pause and that "we're pretty sure THAT expensive sub has met its match." Nice little jab at JL. That will be impressive though if it is competitive with the F113. That would mean that the SB16-Ultra is really a beast!

Anyone know if JL is planning on announcing any new subs at Infocomm or Cedia?
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post #37 of 819
2/18/10 at 3:04pm
Technically, can't the Fathom f212 be had for around the $4-4.5K mark, with the F113 being more $2.5-3K territory?
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post #38 of 819
2/18/10 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by LilGator View Post

Technically, can't the Fathom f212 be had for around the $4-4.5K mark, with the F113 being more $2.5-3K territory?

Yes, but once again we are talking MSRP.
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post #39 of 819
2/18/10 at 3:53pm
Exactly. F113's are going for 1900-2600 on audiogon used(except for that one company that keeps selling new ones, not sure what the rules are on that if you have a local dealer), so at 1699 NEW, the SB13 would be a great value provided it is competitive with the Fathom. All speculation at this point though.
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post #40 of 819
2/18/10 at 5:25pm
Can't wait to see some people get these subs and hear their impressions and measurements.

Does anyone know what the expected release date is supposed to be?
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post #41 of 819
2/18/10 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by michman View Post

Can't wait to see some people get these subs and hear their impressions and measurements.

Does anyone know what the expected release date is supposed to be?

The PDF linked to from this thread gives the tentative season of release.
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post #42 of 819
2/18/10 at 9:55pm
SB12-NSD. Early 2010. The impressive SB12-Plus is discontinued, but replaced by the even better SB12-NSD. More efficient, with true second order roll-off characteristics to better complement the inherent room gain in today’s homes. Slightly larger than the outgoing sub, it uses completely new DSP pre-amp which allows SVS engineers unprecedented tools to fine tune performance.

Do they always write such incoherent brochures? The SB12-NSD has a 14x14.14" footprint which is actually smaller than the 15x14x14" footprint of the discountinued SB12 model. They new Amp has 350W, the old Amp 425W (I realize we are talking nominal power values here).

This one better be good for the 699$ price. One can buy the base Rythmik F15 for the money or an 2x15" driver Empire for 100$ more.
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post #43 of 819
2/19/10 at 1:20am
The SB16-Ultra should be a beast by the time it is unleashed to the masses. But, I guess that the SB13-Plus as well as SB12-NSD will be out way earlier than the SB16.

The amp plate of the SB13-Plus is quite interesting.

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post #44 of 819
2/19/10 at 5:54am
I think they are also aiming towards the other well known sub co.... Paradigm - they have always had a DECENT sub, but as of late they are really pulling out all the punches here - albeit with prices to match....
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post #45 of 819
2/19/10 at 8:04am
Yes, it is nice to see them incorporating an LCD screen on the sub as well as remote. That is a nice touch and can really help those out that can't readily move things around and/or have a built-in type scenario.
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post #46 of 819
2/19/10 at 8:14pm
the sb16 looks tempting..it will be interesting to see how it compares against other sealed designs
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post #47 of 819
2/20/10 at 6:38am
Maybe by "weeks end" they meant today? Or tomorrow? When does a week technically end? Friday, Saturday, Sunday?
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post #48 of 819
2/20/10 at 7:10am
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Exactly what I was thinking -- if you look through their news page all releases are made during the work week so I guess we will be waiting longer to find out the final pricing/preorder details on these SB models and the still one unknown model....
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post #49 of 819
2/20/10 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by warpdrv View Post

i think they are also aiming towards the other well known sub co.... Paradigm - they have always had a decent sub, but as of late they are really pulling out all the punches here - albeit with prices to match....

+1
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post #50 of 819
2/20/10 at 9:46am
Anybody know how long SVS usually has their subs on pre-order before they ship? I need something soon, so I'm thinking I need to look elsewhere...since they are not even on pre-order yet I would think we might be looking at a month or two before they will be shipping.

Any thoughts?
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post #51 of 819
2/20/10 at 12:10pm
Prices seem steep when compared to Rythmik and HSU ULS-15. Curious to see what the advantages are since I'm looking for dual's and output shouldn't be a concern in my room with dual's. The alternatives look to go lower <20 Hz.

I did plug my current PCi 22-31 to "seal" it and found I have decent room gain. Reaches below 17 Hz -3dB.

SC
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post #52 of 819
2/20/10 at 2:52pm
Finally some info. They look rather awesome.

And looking at what the forth sub will be it has to be a smaller provably a 10 inch version. If you look at the brochure the lowest price sub is 699. So that would mean the other sub would be a really small version.

As much as I like SVS getting into the small market to help keep sealed subs affordable. I'm getting the feeling their loosing their focus a bit.

The new in wall stuff doesn't look that good at least sub wise.

Anyway I still hope they make a PB Ultra 16. Ya that will be expensive but why not they have the driver and the amp. I assume tweak some specs and work out a new box and bam. You have a 1200 Watt, DSP, 16 inch neo monster. I'm sure it wouldn't be cheap $3000 plus but man would it rock.

Oh and 16 ultra woofer pics please, SVS!
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post #53 of 819
2/22/10 at 7:28am
The 12 and 13 look awesome. What advice would you guys have for someone who owns an MFW-15 (that works great) and wants a second sub to help with mid-bass slam?

Is there any device out there that could send the mid-bass to the sealed SVS and the low end to the MFW? Or is this just a dumb idea?

I'm 95% music/5% HT.
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post #54 of 819
2/22/10 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by jhgkak View Post

The 12 and 13 look awesome. What advice would you guys have for someone who owns an MFW-15 (that works great) and wants a second sub to help with mid-bass slam?

Is there any device out there that could send the mid-bass to the sealed SVS and the low end to the MFW? Or is this just a dumb idea?

I'm 95% music/5% HT.

Isn't that what the MBM from HSU was designed to do?
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post #55 of 819
2/22/10 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by jhgkak View Post

Is there any device out there that could send the mid-bass to the sealed SVS and the low end to the MFW?

That device is called a 'crossover'.

Regards,
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post #56 of 819
2/22/10 at 3:15pm
when sid and done it will be pricy, $2700 us plus tax and shipping then if u want piano blk thats another ??? at least $3500 or more
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post #57 of 819
2/22/10 at 3:22pm
That is such an incredible market to be in. There are some pretty awesome subs at that price range so they better have one hell of a ringer!!
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post #58 of 819
2/22/10 at 4:44pm
I think they are pricing them partly according to the ammenities here as well...
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post #59 of 819
2/22/10 at 6:16pm
Is it the end of the week yet?
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post #60 of 819
2/22/10 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Is it the end of the week yet?

No kidding, i keep going to their site to see what it could possibly be....my guess is either the LTS line->FINALLY or It could be MTS surrounds or maybe some other new sub
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