Thanks guys for all the wonderful comments and feedback. I know its hard to have this kind of conversation via an internet forum (which is why I don't have a ton of posts consdering how long I've been a member of this forum) but I appreciate the discussion we're having. For the record I've also been emailing the SVS guys directly getting there feedback as well. It's all been pretty helpful.
Originally Posted by BeeMan458
In reading your post, it's seems you're trying to pressurized your listening venue with a single sub, in a room that doesn't want to be pressurized. Based on your comments, in the simple, it ain't going happen with a single sub. So, in retrospect and current reply to your above, yes, buy a second and/or a third and fourth subwoofer. In the simple, keep buying/adding subs until you get where you want to go.
A word to the wise, pressurizing the whole house might get you and your system kicked out of the house for the benefit of everybody else who lives there. Just saying. Based on what you posted, everybody better be onboard with your home theater efforts, before you light this candle.
Just wanted to say that this statement here is not really true and I wanted to try to clearify my "mission" if I gave you guys the wrong impression. First off, I'm not a bass head by any stretch of the imagination. I do value great low distorted tight bass over loud boomy and uncontrolled bass any day. If you see the rest of my equipment, I probably invested the least on my subwoofer. Most of time I've had a home theater, I've been in a townhome or apartment where I've been constantly limited due to neighbors. I currently live in a detached house finally but my neighbors have made it clear that they can hear the bass from the PB12 NSD late night when I'm cranking a movie or music (approx -15db volume level) so I still have to be conscious about it. In terms of listening habits, in the 5 years that I have owned the PB12 NSD I have never put the volume knob on the sub higher than the 1 o'clock position (about 60%) and that was only a few hours for a party. 95% of time, the knob stays in the 10-11 o'clock positions (roughly 30-40%) at max with the pre/pro sub gain set to 0. The pre/pro volume never goes higher than -15db (normally between -25db to -20db) for my typical listening habits. Again, I'm no bass head and don't "rock out" too hard.
My goals with upgrading my sub are primarily to get more responsive bass with a flatter freq response than I currently have. It is a good chance that I will be moving within the next 2 years so the room is a variable that will change and thus I'm not putting too much effort into conforming to this room. My desire to upgrade really increased once I started seeing reviews on the paradigm SUB 1. I loved the form factor and the size for the performance it seamed to be offering (interestingly enough, paradigm does not seem to publish a freq response for the SUB 1 and I have yet to see a freq response graph). I have seen and heard it in person as well and thought it sounded full yet tight and clean (although I didn't do any real critical listening). The problem: price. With paradigm speakers prices continually increasing the MSRP for the SUB 1 is currently $4999 US if I'm not mistaken which is simply too rich for my blood...at least for a sub. But seeing the rave reviews given its small box, small drivers, and sealed design got me thinking that a sealed sub would be the way to go. The only performance issue I've heard of with the SUB 1 is hitting the lowest notes at near or above reference level with some tough sub 25hz bass content. That's probably fine for me given my listening habits and experiences. It was around this time that I saw the Audioholics review contest for the SVS SB13 Ultra. Being a fan of SVS performance based on my experience with the PB12 NSD and seeing as how I could buy 3 SB13s and still have money left over before I get to the cost of the SUB 1, my attention quickly turned to seeing how the SB13 turned out.
I have no doubt that the SB13 would be a blast for music and improve dramatically over the PB12 NSD. My only concern was paying 2x the price for the SB13 as the PB12 NSD, getting it home, throwing in a bass heavy movie, turning up the volume, and feeling like something is missing when compared to the PB12. Feeling like I lost something in the "upgrade". With my moderate listenting levels and much older sub, I was hoping that the sound quality of the SB13 ultra would be an improvement in music and at least on par in extension and output as the PB12 NSD (again for my habits and levels). It may just come down to me getting one to audition at home for the 45 day trial SVS offers
Thanks again for all the comments!