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post #5761 of 6191
CHanging the resolutions just amde 4:3 annoy me being stretched. And channel surfing didn't speed up. As I said, yes some of it si related to the tv because it hasn't been this slow on the hx820. The 500 is slow at practically anything you do on it, so something's up to make it that slow on eevrything else.

I ams till wondering why full pixel is not a choice for me. Seems like somewhere said +1 is same as full pixel anwyay (or -1, I forget which).

I am really liking the picture now. Mine is quite different than others' though. backlight at 3 and sharpness at 7 for starters. I wish I didn't likle it though since I would "rather" like the plasma to get my 3d and some other more advanced features.
post #5762 of 6191
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

I ams till wondering why full pixel is not a choice for me. Seems like somewhere said +1 is same as full pixel anwyay (or -1, I forget which)..

Yes, “+1” is the 1:1 mapping mode on the Sony. I believe if you’re sending a 720p feed to your TV, you’ll just see “+1”. If it’s a 1080i/1080p feed you’ll see “Full Pixel”. Both will show the source content in its original size… so you’ll get no overscan.
post #5763 of 6191
Thanks. I started wondering that, but forgot to check on different sources.
post #5764 of 6191
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Originally Posted by fsva000 View Post

Yes, +1 is the 1:1 mapping mode on the Sony. I believe if you're sending a 720p feed to your TV, you'll just see +1. If it's a 1080i/1080p feed you'll see Full Pixel. Both will show the source content in its original size so you'll get no overscan.

I have been following this thread for awhile now. I have the 60ex500 and use serialmikes settings. I don't see where "full pixel" is in the menu. How is this selection reached in the settings menu?
post #5765 of 6191
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Originally Posted by shanewalker View Post


Do you have Backlighting up past 'min' and/or the Ambient Sensor on or off? Just curious if your settings prevent the issue. Also, might be something native to sensitivities of the particular IR pattern/freq of the Dish DVR controls and the features of the set mentioned (since you have DirecTV equip)?

I have my Backlight at 1 and Ambient Sensor is Off
post #5766 of 6191
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Originally Posted by marvincbr View Post

I have been following this thread for awhile now. I have the 60ex500 and use serialmikes settings. I don't see where "full pixel" is in the menu. How is this selection reached in the settings menu?

It's in that group of settings with default wide mode etc... and it only shows when you're on a channel (or input) showing something in 1080i/p apparenrly. Now it did show for me there. (for the "display area setting").
post #5767 of 6191
After checking all my other equipment and finding that the Dish 722k receiver was the only piece of equipment suffering IR interference from the Sony HDTV, I did some searching elsewhere. Problem is real. Here's one link:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-net...rf-remote.html
post #5768 of 6191
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Originally Posted by fsva000 View Post

Yes, +1 is the 1:1 mapping mode on the Sony. I believe if you're sending a 720p feed to your TV, you'll just see +1. If it's a 1080i/1080p feed you'll see Full Pixel. Both will show the source content in its original size so you'll get no overscan.

Yep, hes not sending 1080 to the set. thats most of his issue right there.
post #5769 of 6191
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Originally Posted by marvincbr View Post

I have been following this thread for awhile now. I have the 60ex500 and use serialmikes settings. I don't see where "full pixel" is in the menu. How is this selection reached in the settings menu?

With the remote control, hit HOME. Go to the menu all the way on the left, SETTINGS>Picture & Display>Screen>Auto Display OFF>Display Area FULL PIXEL. This adjustment must be made while you are tuned to a 1080i station.

While you are in the same sub-menu, turn OFF Ambient Sensor and watch tv with it OFF for a while. You may find that the pq is brighter and the colors are more natural.
post #5770 of 6191
Ok, i did use the search but maybe not very well...

INPUT LAG.
i have the 46ex500, had it for 3 days. Went to this from a 55a2000.
I've used mike's settings. I've turned off both motion settings. I'm a long time FPS'r that switches between pc and xbox. The lag is noticeable =(. Help!
Also. I don't have a "game" mode. All that Ihave is Vivid, standard, and custom. Am i missing something?
post #5771 of 6191
On the remote control, press Options>Scene Select...
post #5772 of 6191
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Originally Posted by serialmike View Post

Yep, hes not sending 1080 to the set. thats most of his issue right there.

Not true. Itw as just when I accessed that setting I so happened to not be on a 1080 channel at that time apparently.
post #5773 of 6191
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

Not true. Itw as just when I accessed that setting I so happened to not be on a 1080 channel at that time apparently.

Well why would you not have been on HD while testing all this stuff on the tv
post #5774 of 6191
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Originally Posted by serialmike View Post

Well why would you not have been on HD while testing all this stuff on the tv

I was probably on fox and forgot it was 720p.

By the way I am starting to think that although led lights did contribute to my health issues it was not the "cause". My eye is bothering me today and was watering when i went somewhere and I haven't even watched a single minute on my new plasma yet.

I guess it's alergies, but the led lights do still irritate it much much worse. But if not for the stupid allergies I could have known more about which tv to end up with.
post #5775 of 6191
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

i was probably on fox and forgot it was 720p.

By the way i am starting to think that although led lights did contribute to my health issues it was not the "cause". My eye is bothering me today and was watering when i went somewhere and i haven't even watched a single minute on my new plasma yet.

I guess it's alergies, but the led lights do still irritate it much much worse. But if not for the stupid allergies i could have known more about which tv to end up with.

incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #5776 of 6191
Incredible that I post about lcd panels in an lcd thrrad, huh?
post #5777 of 6191
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

I was probably on fox and forgot it was 720p.

By the way I am starting to think that although led lights did contribute to my health issues it was not the "cause". My eye is bothering me today and was watering when i went somewhere and I haven't even watched a single minute on my new plasma yet.

I guess it's alergies, but the led lights do still irritate it much much worse. But if not for the stupid allergies I could have known more about which tv to end up with.

Whoa........ did I miss something?!!! I don't recall reading anything about a "new plasma". Just that you were thinking about it along with a whole host of other options in this continuing saga of yours.
I guess I'd better pay better attention.
post #5778 of 6191
yeah i ordered a plasma and got that today. It's embarrassing having multiple tvs in here when they show up thoguh. My cousin said he may buy this ex500 if I don't keep it. I think if i had enough money I would maybe keep a plasma and then get a 40 of this ex500, but that would be expensive so who knows.
post #5779 of 6191
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

Incredible that I post about lcd panels in an lcd thrrad, huh?

I REALLY REALLY hope the plasma works out. Good luck plasma forum.
post #5780 of 6191
still own this model also, thus posting in here.
post #5781 of 6191
midnight 77-
When I first bought my KDL-40EX500, I felt that the picture was overly grainy. To me, it was like the sharpness control was overly hot.
I used serialmike's settings and then tweaked those settings with my Spears and Munsil blu-ray.
For me, I found that going below 3 on sharpness started to dull the picture and obscure lines. Over 3 really accented any grain or artifacts in the picture.
I've had the set for about a year now and either I've just grown used to the crispness, or the set has broken in and mellowed out, or a combination of the two.
I now no longer feel that the image is grainy or overly sharp. I don't use any of the noise reduction features and I've always kept the sharpness on 3.
I may be wrong, but I have the feeling that a brand new LCD panel needs a little time to break in for optimum picture quality. This is just a guess on my part.
I wonder if any other, roughly, year-long owner's have noticed the image improving as time goes on?
lazerfan
p.s. the above applies to sweet spot viewing. Off axis results in a faded grainy image but that's the nature of the beast with LCD panels anyway.
post #5782 of 6191
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Originally Posted by midnight77 View Post

still own this model also, thus posting in here.

Please sell the EX...
post #5783 of 6191
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Originally Posted by lazerfan View Post

midnight 77-
When I first bought my KDL-40EX500, I felt that the picture was overly grainy. To me, it was like the sharpness control was overly hot.
I used serialmike's settings and then tweaked those settings with my Spears and Munsil blu-ray.
For me, I found that going below 3 on sharpness started to dull the picture and obscure lines. Over 3 really accented any grain or artifacts in the picture.
I've had the set for about a year now and either I've just grown used to the crispness, or the set has broken in and mellowed out, or a combination of the two.
I now no longer feel that the image is grainy or overly sharp. I don't use any of the noise reduction features and I've always kept the sharpness on 3. I may be wrong, but I have the feeling that a brand new LCD panel needs a little time to break in for optimum picture quality. This is just a guess on my part.
I wonder if any other, roughly, year-long owner's have noticed the image improving as time goes on?lazerfan
p.s. the above applies to sweet spot viewing. Off axis results in a faded grainy image but that's the nature of the beast with LCD panels anyway.

Yeah, I'm one who enjoys a sharp picture even if it means there's a little bit of edge enhancement going on. I set my shrpness on "5". As far as whether this TV has a "break-in" period or not is hard to say. Over time and with each new effort by serialmike to tweak the settings, the picture just keeps improving. I guess I could go back to "default" and try to remember what it looked like out of the box but that would interrupt my enjoyment of this set, however briefly.
post #5784 of 6191
Well, all this fussin by midnight77 about artifacts got me wonderin as to just exactly what it was he was seeing. So last night I decided to do some serious experimentation of my own to see if I could in any way duplicate what has had him in fits the past week or so.

First, let me explain my viewing conditions and position as it relates to the TV (60EX500). My "Cave" is in a 24 x 24 detached garage that has been converted to a theater room. I normally sit in a recliner about 12 feet from the TV. Recently, I added more seating by way of floor seating that sits about 6 feet from the TV. Yeah, it's a little close but when you're watching concert blurays, it immerses you just like you're at the show leaning on the stage. I have directv hd and am running an OPPO 83SE blu-ray.

OK, on to the "meat and taters". Last night while watching the NLCS and thoroughly enjoying the picture from 12 feet, I decided to sit in the "front row" and take a peek. Boy, what a difference. Graphics such as the little pitch count box displayed all kinds of what appeared to be picture distortion all around the edges. It did seem to help when I turned the sharpness from 5 down to min but it never completely went away. Moving back and forth between 6 and 12 feet helped but even at 12 feet I could still barely see these "artifacts" with a heavy emphasis on the word "barely". So there ARE some artifacts to be seen but I couldn't find ANYTHING at this point that would warrant me wanting to return the TV, IMHO.

Moving on to blu-ray. I popped in a few movies and concerts and even with the sharpness set at 8, I couldn't duplicate the same problem I had experienced with the directv feed, even from my 6 foot vantage point. Graphics came out clean as a whistle and the picture looked absolutely stunning (again, thanks Mike).

In conclusion, I found that this TV will correctly display what it is fed. Maybe there are some sets out there that do some kind of better job at cleaning up a bad signal but I would imagine there has to be some sort of trade-off and I don't have the luxury of trying out different TVs in a quest for perfection. Not that I'd want to anyway because I personally am quite satisfied with the picture presented. I think the old saying "garbage in, garbage out" applies here as again, the feed from the blu-ray looks absolutely fabuloso and the directv feed is still beautiful from my 12 foot position.

Hope this helps.
post #5785 of 6191
Outstanding post, Torq! I have gone through the same experience, more of less, with my 60EX700. Just like you, I came to the same conclusion...garbage in, garbage out!

Same thing with my old Sony 60" SXRD which is doing occasional service in the bedroom at 9 ft from my pillow. Last night I couldn't help but marvel how nice the baseball game looked on TBS. Yet, on a lot of live local newscast, I see some artifacts here and there.

So, it comes to the same old adage, "garbage in, garbage out".
post #5786 of 6191
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

Outstanding post, Torq! I have gone through the same experience, more of less, with my 60EX700. Just like you, I came to the same conclusion...garbage in, garbage out!

Same thing with my old Sony 60" SXRD which is doing occasional service in the bedroom at 9 ft from my pillow. Last night I couldn't help but marvel how nice the baseball game looked on TBS. Yet, on a lot of live local newscast, I see some artifacts here and there.

So, it comes to the same old adage, "garbage in, garbage out".

hughh, I'm curious....... since you still have the old set, have you done a good comparison between the new and the old? I gave my 60XBR1 to my brother in law when the 60EX500 arrived and never really had a chance to compare. It prolly wouldn't have done much good to compare at the time anyway since it took months before the EX500 got to looking as good as it does with all the improvements to serialmike's settings. What I remember of the XBR1 was that it had deep, rich and vibrant colors, blacks were OK but not as good as the EX500 and the picture was definitely not as sharp as the new TV. How does yours compare?
post #5787 of 6191
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Originally Posted by Torqdog View Post

hughh, I'm curious....... since you still have the old set, have you done a good comparison between the new and the old? I gave my 60XBR1 to my brother in law when the 60EX500 arrived and never really had a chance to compare. It prolly wouldn't have done much good to compare at the time anyway since it took months before the EX500 got to looking as good as it does with all the improvements to serialmike's settings. What I remember of the XBR1 was that it had deep, rich and vibrant colors, blacks were OK but not as good as the EX500 and the picture was definitely not as sharp as the new TV. How does yours compare?

The XBR1 is ok if you like the smooth filmic look of the plasmas. After living with the LCD extra sharp, more life like look, it's hard to go back. However, the other night, watching the game made me feel like WOW, not bad at all.

It still shows moire patterns on clothing during live newscasts and etc. But over all, it was one hell of a TV for it's times.

Yes, you are correct, the black level and lack of contrast is its biggest fault.
post #5788 of 6191
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

The XBR1 is ok if you like the smooth filmic look of the plasmas. After living with the LCD extra sharp, more life like look, it's hard to go back. However, the other night, watching the game made me feel like WOW, not bad at all.

It still shows moire patterns on clothing during live newscasts and etc. But over all, it was one hell of a TV for it's times.

Yes, you are correct, the black level and lack of contrast is its biggest fault.

Ex500 is a pretty good tv for it price and what it does. 3d is still taking off and realistic it wont be for another few years, if it becomes adopted. The smart tv function is not worth a another 500 or 600 dollars extra, hell for 99 bucks you can get a logitech revue or roku to do pretty much a smart tv does. This TV does give samsung a run for its money.

When it comes to broadcast, you cannot control that as regardless of the provider, there will be shows and channels that look horrible. For example, I have dish network and with my calibrated settings I see artifacts in black area, so I just reduced the brightness by a smooch and things look OK.

with Blu ray, everything is pretty much sharp and colors are WOW!

Plus with Plasmas there is always the threat of black levels risings and LCD sharpness cannot be beaten. For me my sharpness is minimum and I have a midsized living room with the 40 mounted on the wall. I can say that even with minimum sharpness, I can see some good detail and if I increase it to 3, it is pretty much crisp and I can see everything with edge enhancement (going against patterns).
post #5789 of 6191
serialmike: is game-standard the same as general-standard? In terms of the smaller incriments of sharpness, etc. ?
post #5790 of 6191
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Originally Posted by fiveolddogs View Post

55EX500 drowning out or attenuating signal from remote?

I replaced my rear-projection Sony SXRD XBR1 with the 55EX500 last week. The new TV works well, but I have noticed a significant drop-off in the reliability of my remote control since the upgrade. I use a Harmony 880 remote and have television service through AT&T U-verse.

This remote previously operated the U-verse system without any issues and would work at pretty much any angle and even through a blanket. Now, about a quarter of the button presses are not registered, even when aiming the remote directly at the U-verse box from a short distance (8 feet).

I also use a home theater PC with an IR receiver, which has been similarly affected. The HTPC IR receiver has a red LED which lights up every time it detects a signal from a remote control. When the TV is off, this red LED will illuminate randomly every now and then as it detects stray EM signals in the air. When the TV is turned on, this red LED flickers on and off madly.

It's clear that the new Sony TV is somehow interfering with the remote signal. Has anyone else noticed this? Is this normal? I have not had time to test if this affects all remotes equally or if the the Harmony remote is somehow more susceptible to this.

I found the same thing with my DirecTV (HR10-250) remote. Its very hit-and-miss with the EX500. I have same receiver upstairs with a 55A2020 SXRD and no problems at all. As crazy as it may sound its as if the EX500 is interfering with the remote control's signal.
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