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post #1651 of 1752
Is that something like Hollywood celebs in gladiator matches?

I vaguely remember seeing that on cable a loooooong time ago! I remember those spaceships, but beyond that, I have zero recollection of it.
post #1652 of 1752
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

And do we talk about Danny Elfman's Batman Begins theme showing up in every other action movie made since then???

Are you talking about Danny Elfman's theme for Tim Burton's Batman? Or Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard theme for Nolan's Batman Begins?
post #1653 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Are you talking about Danny Elfman's theme for Tim Burton's Batman? Or Hans Zimmer/James Newton Howard theme for Nolan's Batman Begins?

Doh!
I stand corrected....NOT Elfman.
post #1654 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

In my opinion, Horner's best works were in Treks II and III, and Aliens.

YEEEESSSSS!! Trek II is brilliant. I was kid when my dad took me to go see it. I still hum parts of it to myself on occasion to this day.
post #1655 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Hey Shark, didja ever see "Battle Beyond The Stars"...?
When I saw Trek ll, I thought, "gee, that's almost the same score..."


LMAO, I haven't seen that in years
post #1656 of 1752
IN 3D, great. However you're forced to pay more attention the story in 2D. I fell asleep a few times when I got mine from Netflix. I see why it didn't win the Oscar for best picture, the screeners were in 2D.

Get this though, I would buy it. Why? For the KICK ASS THX trailer at the end. That has to be the best sounding one they've ever made. It would be cheaper to buy the movie than paying $2 million to ebay for the trailer itself.
post #1657 of 1752
Pretty sure, I heard hints of "my heart will go on" in certain parts of the movie.
post #1658 of 1752
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Originally Posted by JoeyW View Post

IN 3D, great. However you're forced to pay more attention the story in 2D. I fell asleep a few times when I got mine from Netflix. I see why it didn't win the Oscar for best picture, the screeners were in 2D.

This mirrors my thoughts after seeing it in 2D, after first seeing it in 3D. It's much, much more easy to see the movie's flaws without the 3D distracting you. Definitely should have rented this one, as I don't see me ever watching it again now that most of my friends have already come over to watch it (unless I can't sleep or need a good laugh).
post #1659 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

This mirrors my thoughts after seeing it in 2D, after first seeing it in 3D. It's much, much more easy to see the movie's flaws without the 3D distracting you. Definitely should have rented this one, as I don't see me ever watching it again now that most of my friends have already come over to watch it (unless I can't sleep or need a good laugh).

I didn't like Avatar for a story either, but a movie doesn't necessarily be good to grab a cult following. All six starwars movies are much worse story/dialogue than Avatar but have grown a huge following. I'm sure many of you will disagree with me but, IMO the original Starwars is by far one of the worst movies ever make.
post #1660 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

I didn't like Avatar for a story either, but a movie doesn't necessarily be good to grab a cult following. All six starwars movies are much worse story/dialogue than Avatar but have grown a huge following. I'm sure many of you will disagree with me but, IMO the original Starwars is by far one of the worst movies ever make.

With the exception of Empire, I fully agree about the Star Wars movies. Usually a cult following develops later, but with Avatar it had devotees right out of the box who see red any time someone says they didn't like it as much as they did. I'm glad people like it so much, but I seriously fail at seeing the appeal for this one. Considering the box office numbers and BD sales, I'm obviously in the minority.
post #1661 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Horner shamelessly recycles his own older themes all the time. There's a significant amount of the score from Aliens in Avatar as well.

The most distracting one for me were the bars used from Glory during the cut "Climbing up "Iknimaya - The Path to Heaven""

It's note for note.
post #1662 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sharkcohen View Post

In my opinion, Horner's best works were in Treks II and III, and Aliens.

Aliens has a few great spots, no denying it. The poor guy had basically no time to work on it, and it's a miracle it turned out as well as it did.

The 80's were definitely his best decade.

Willow, Trek II, heck even The Land Before Time was great.
post #1663 of 1752
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Willow, Trek II, heck even The Land Before Time was great.

The score in Khan was so effective in disappearing and simply becoming a well performing actor. It was certainly prominent, but still seamless. Very well done in my opinion.
post #1664 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

With the exception of Empire, I fully agree about the Star Wars movies. Usually a cult following develops later, but with Avatar it had devotees right out of the box who see red any time someone says they didn't like it as much as they did. I'm glad people like it so much, but I seriously fail at seeing the appeal for this one. Considering the box office numbers and BD sales, I'm obviously in the minority.

I think it comes out of the notion of being presented with a fantasy world that is so immersive and just kewler than mundane real life, it just begs you to indulge it along an escapist vein. The Pandora world just lends itself so well to this phenomenon, just like SW.

Personally, I'm not really "into it", either, but maybe as adults we become jaded to such submission. Imagine seeing it as a kid or a younger person whose experiences are still fresh and untrodden, and it becomes a keystone movie moment in your life.
post #1665 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hanky View Post

Personally, I'm not really "into it", either, but maybe as adults we become jaded to such submission. Imagine seeing it as a kid or a younger person whose experiences are still fresh and untrodden, and it becomes a keystone movie moment in your life.

Well good! At 51, this "old fart" has a "younger person" experience when viewing this movie. And how great is that? It's not a "keystone moment" I have to admit. But I sure got swept up in it... 4 times!
post #1666 of 1752
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Well good! At 51, this "old fart" has a "younger person" experience when viewing this movie.

Most of the posters on AVS are middle-aged BTW.
post #1667 of 1752
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Originally Posted by jaken84 View Post

Bring on the 3D version, I already paid to see it twice in the cinema, no way that is happening again with the Blu Rays!

I'd feel that way if they brought out the 3D version first. Who wants to lose the detail, color, brightness? Yuck. It's almost unanimous among those who have seen both that the BD in a good home theater is miles better than 3D in a commercial cinema. And 3D in a home cinema is going to be worse because it will use shutters instead of polarizers.
post #1668 of 1752
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

3D in a home cinema is going to be worse because it will use shutters instead of polarizers.

When I saw it in the theatre (Cinerama Dome in Hollywood), it was with active shutter glasses (XpanD). None of the ghosting you sometimes get with polarizers nor the colour problems of anaglyph. If the shuttered glasses approach was "worse", as you claim, why would it be the 3D playback method used in the screening rooms of ILM, Disney, DTS, ESPN, Pixar, NVIDIA, Texas Instruments, Lightstorm, 20th Century Fox, etc?
post #1669 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

When I saw it in the theatre (Cinerama Dome in Hollywood), it was with active shutter glasses (XpanD). None of the ghosting you sometimes get with polarizers nor the colour problems of anaglyph. If the shuttered glasses approach was "worse", as you claim, why would it be the 3D playback method used in the screening rooms of ILM, Disney, DTS, ESPN, Pixar, NVIDIA, Texas Instruments, Lightstorm, 20th Century Fox, etc?

Dunno. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. But the almost unanimous opinion of commercial 3D vs a good home theater presentation of BD still stands. I think one guy has preferred the commercial presentation so far... at least that I've heard of.

The colors in the 3D presentations are accurate but more muted. Ghosting has not been reported as a problem with 3D either. The comments have centered around saturation, brightness and detail.
post #1670 of 1752
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Horner shamelessly recycles his own older themes all the time. There's a significant amount of the score from Aliens in Avatar as well.

A veritable reunion tour of cues from the James Brothers with an occasional shake of Zimmer for the be sad moments.


http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/31/...kes-on-avatar/
post #1671 of 1752
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

Ghosting has not been reported as a problem with 3D either.

The latter comment confirms the former.

Search the following page for the word 'ghosting', both in the article and the replies that follow: http://3dvision-blog.com/what-to-cho...for-3d-movies/
post #1672 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

The latter comment confirms the former.

I shouldn't laugh, but that was quite funny. Ghosting is discussed quite a bit in the 3D forum here, as well.
post #1673 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Ghosting is discussed quite a bit in the 3D forum here, as well.

Yeah, when searching the topic on Google, a few AVS threads popped up in the results.
post #1674 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

I shouldn't laugh, but that was quite funny. Ghosting is discussed quite a bit in the 3D forum here, as well.

Hey, go ahead and laugh. I'm a dope, what can I say? I just went by what I read in the Avatar forums. However, for all my "not knowing", my original point still stands. 3D in commercial cinemas seems to be even worse than I thought.
post #1675 of 1752
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Hey, go ahead and laugh. I'm a dope, what can I say? I just went by what I read in the Avatar forums. However, for all my "not knowing", my original point still stands. 3D in commercial cinemas seems to be even worse than I thought.

I've only seen two movies in 3D. Avatar and How to Train Your Dragon. The latter was much more impressive, but I saw them in different theaters.
post #1676 of 1752
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Hey, go ahead and laugh. I'm a dope, what can I say?

Do what I did: spend 30 second doing a search before posting a definitive statement.
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However, for all my "not knowing", my original point still stands. 3D in commercial cinemas seems to be even worse than I thought.

You originally claimed that 3D at home is "going to be worse" because of active shutter glasses. Your point doesn't stand, because that method of 3D playback avoids some of the problems of other methods. How does that make it "worse"?
post #1677 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

You originally claimed that 3D at home is "going to be worse" because of active shutter glasses. Your point doesn't stand, because that method of 3D playback avoids some of the problems of other methods. How does that make it "worse"?

That's what YOU claim my original point is. And, you're right on that point. That doesn't stand. However, THIS is what I claim my original point is: "It's almost unanimous among those who have seen both that the BD in a good home theater is miles better than 3D in a commercial cinema."

Now we're arguing over what I said versus what you thought I meant vs. what I really meant. I can go talk to my girlfriend if I want this!
post #1678 of 1752
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Now we're arguing over what I said versus what you thought I meant vs. what I really meant. I can go talk to my girlfriend if I want this!

LOL!
Man, that is a great line....wish it was mine.
post #1679 of 1752
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

That's what YOU claim my original point is.

Here's what you said:
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

3D in a home cinema is going to be worse because it will use shutters instead of polarizers.

How does avoiding the problems of polarizers make active shutters "worse"?
post #1680 of 1752
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

Here's what you said: How does avoiding the problems of polarizers make active shutters "worse"?

WHAT is going on?? I TOLD you what my original point was. I even quoted it. It's right there in post #1668.
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