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post #121 of 2805
3/2/10 at 9:38am
for any owners of the sony players. can you turn off the message screen like angle buttons? when you are watching the original star trek tv series on bluray. I have angle button problem with the insignia.
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Jacob
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post #122 of 2805
3/2/10 at 10:25am
I bought the Insignia before the Sony and thought the Insignia was junk, plain and simple. The remote would not work unless you were less than 4 feet away from the player. I see no angle menu on the Sony.
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post #123 of 2805
3/2/10 at 10:30am
I bet the sony is a better player.
can you do netflix streaming in bitstream or only in pcm?

Jacob
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post #124 of 2805
3/2/10 at 10:45am
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I bet the sony is a better player.
can you do netflix streaming in bitstream or only in pcm?

Jacob

The Sony has only 2 options: Auto and PCM. I think all the internet streaming comes in PCM with the new models. My 460 output DD 5.1 with Amazon VOD but with the S570 it's always 5.1 PCM. Something has changed.
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post #125 of 2805
3/2/10 at 11:25am
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The Sony has only 2 options: Auto and PCM. I think all the internet streaming comes in PCM with the new models. My 460 output DD 5.1 with Amazon VOD but with the S570 it's always 5.1 PCM. Something has changed.

Try this. Will enable the player to bitstream the audio.

I figured the PCM issue out. Instead of an option for Direct you just turn the "Mix" option to off and it sends the audio out to the receiver to decode. It's under Audio Settings-BD Audio MIX Setting. Options are On/Off. Set to off.
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post #126 of 2805
3/2/10 at 11:33am
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Sonystyle showing the 470 and 570 for pre-order only again.

It looks like Amazon only has the 470 available from some of their smaller Marketplace retailers also. I have one on order from J&R and that's on backorder also.

What's funny is my local BestBuy has lots of them. They said they would gladly sell me one, but they didn't have any of them on display because they still have so many of the older model to get rid of first. I didn't buy it because I can save $35 by waiting and I'm not in a rush anyway.

My conclusion is BestBuy seems well-stocked but aren't displaying them (in some stores at least). Many online stores other than BB are either sold out or haven't received them yet.
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post #127 of 2805
3/2/10 at 11:44am
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Try this. Will enable the player to bitstream the audio.

I figured the PCM issue out. Instead of an option for Direct you just turn the "Mix" option to off and it sends the audio out to the receiver to decode. It's under Audio Settings-BD Audio MIX Setting. Options are On/Off. Set to off.

Thanks, I know that. On my S570, the audio mix is set to off and bitstreaming is working just fine. The PCM on all internet streaming is a different issue. Setting HDMI to PCM obviously will send everything as PCM but when set to auto it will send PCM when streaming from internet (it's like all internet stuff comes in PCM). All DVD and Bluray playing as they should, bitstreaming and receiver doing the job .

The problem with the 460 is that HDMI in auto mode doesn't send the PCM expected by the receiver , probably due a handshaking issue with some Pioneer models.

Confusing ? I bet it is.
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post #128 of 2805
3/2/10 at 12:23pm
thanks for the update. anyone play braveheart, forrest gump or gladiator? was the sony player able to play the trailers in front of it?

the panasonic 80 has problems playing it.

Jacob
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post #129 of 2805
3/2/10 at 8:58pm
I'm trying to decide whether I should get the 460 or 470. The 460 can be had for $150 vs $200 for the 470. I don't care about 3D or DNLA. All I want is good dvd upconversion, netflix streaming and DTS-MA/Ture HD. Are the 3 basically the same? What about the internet streaming services?
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post #130 of 2805
3/3/10 at 3:47pm
My 370 arrives tomorrow. Does anyone know what codes to use in a Harmony remote for the 370? Does the the 460's code work for the 370 in the Harmony Database? Thanks.
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post #131 of 2805
3/3/10 at 6:33pm
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My 370 arrives tomorrow. Does anyone know what codes to use in a Harmony remote for the 370? Does the the 460's code work for the 370 in the Harmony Database? Thanks.

Yes, it works and you can program the "eject" using the 370 remote. I'm using the Harmony with the 460 device to control my 570.
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post #132 of 2805
3/4/10 at 6:05am
The 570 codes are in the Harmony database now. I'm using the 570 codes for my 470 player.
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post #133 of 2805
3/4/10 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by chasiliff View Post

My 370 arrives tomorrow. Does anyone know what codes to use in a Harmony remote for the 370? Does the the 460's code work for the 370 in the Harmony Database? Thanks.

So, what do you think? Mini-review please! I'm looking for the 470 myself and would appreciate any use insight.
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post #134 of 2805
3/5/10 at 6:04am
I just got my S470 yesterday. Coming from the S350, I am a little disappointed in the build quality. I'm not sure why they had to go "ultra thin" which causes it to seem "ultra flimsy". I wish they would have just used the sturdy form factor of the S350 along with the detachable power cord (why on earth did they change this)? I also don't like the weird tiny buttons on the "fixed flap" on the front.

I haven't tried many discs yet as I mostly rent them but it did seem faster to load discs. I also really like the "original resolution" output setting to finally use the scaler in my AVR and all the internet content is excellent.

One thing I noticed when I was playing internet content is that is seemed to still be spinning the disc in the drive even though I wasn't playing it. It was spinning pretty fast (loud enough so that I thought I had a runaway fan). I will have to do more testing but this is something that should be fixed if it occurs all the time.
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post #135 of 2805
3/5/10 at 10:05am
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I just got my S470 yesterday. Coming from the S350, I am a little disappointed in the build quality. I'm not sure why they had to go "ultra thin" which causes it to seem "ultra flimsy". I wish they would have just used the sturdy form factor of the S350 along with the detachable power cord (why on earth did they change this)? I also don't like the weird tiny buttons on the "fixed flap" on the front.

I haven't tried many discs yet as I mostly rent them but it did seem faster to load discs. I also really like the "original resolution" output setting to finally use the scaler in my AVR and all the internet content is excellent.

One thing I noticed when I was playing internet content is that is seemed to still be spinning the disc in the drive even though I wasn't playing it. It was spinning pretty fast (loud enough so that I thought I had a runaway fan). I will have to do more testing but this is something that should be fixed if it occurs all the time.


I also have the 350 and am considering getting the 470. Is the dvd upconverion the same as the 350, or better?
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post #136 of 2805
3/5/10 at 2:53pm
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I also have the 350 and am considering getting the 470. Is the dvd upconverion the same as the 350, or better?

Sorry, I couldn't say. I haven't watched hardly any discs yet and most of the rentals will be Blu-ray. I also only have a 768p plasma so it would be hard for me to compare them anyways.
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post #137 of 2805
3/5/10 at 3:52pm
Just got my 370.
Streaming is fine.
However, I could not play youtube in full screen mode. It just use a very small corner of my TV, while the rest are captions/comments.
Does anyone know how to play youtube in full screen mode?

Thanks!
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post #138 of 2805
3/6/10 at 8:33am
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Just got my 370.
Streaming is fine.
However, I could not play youtube in full screen mode. It just use a very small corner of my TV, while the rest are captions/comments.
Does anyone know how to play youtube in full screen mode?

Thanks!

Just hit the round key in the middle of the arrow keys on the remote should get you to full screen mode.
I really like the 370 and Netflix image quality is really good on mine. I have it wired to my ethernet and watched some episodes of the Office yesterday and the picture was real good on my 52 inch Sharp LCD...
Take care.
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post #139 of 2805
3/6/10 at 11:16am
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The same as the 460: Netflix,Amazon and a bunch of useless web channels.

That's a brash and irresponsible comment, as well as subjective. To start with, Sony also includes Crackle access, which is their Hulu counterpart using Sony Pictures Entertainment content.
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post #140 of 2805
3/6/10 at 11:33am
Came to this thread anticipating some expert discussion on 3D issues, but after reading through it all, am shocked to find nothing. Seems like a big deal to me.

1. This player simply is spec'ed as having HDMI 1.3 outputs. So far, the conventional wisdom is that 3D streams will require HDMI 1.4; the debate is whether this is a measure of "breathing room" certification or an actual technical requirement that would shut down the 3D stream. It seems important enough to me if Sony are beginning to market AV receivers as 3D compatible including HDMI 1.4 inputs/outputs, as they literally assert that such capability will allow 3D content to pass whereas their HDMI 1.3 receivers will not. It's thus rather hypocritical for them to assert 3D capability in the BDP-S470 while simultaneously building into it a mere HDMI 1.3 output.

2. There are parallel standards brewing in the 3D HDTV roll-outs, involving polarized versus LCD shutter glasses, and differing codec/stream standards. It would be brash and irresponsible for Sony to say that the BDP-S470 will be compatible "with 3D HDTVs," implying all, when -- don't put this past Sony -- they could really only be aiming for 3D compatibility with their own Bravia HDTVs, and the rest be damned (e.g., the Vizio XVT Pro series that I'm lusting after).
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post #141 of 2805
3/6/10 at 12:00pm
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Came to this thread anticipating some expert discussion on 3D issues, but after reading through it all, am shocked to find nothing. Seems like a big deal to me.

1. This player simply is spec'ed as having HDMI 1.3 outputs. So far, the conventional wisdom is that 3D streams will require HDMI 1.4; the debate is whether this is a measure of "breathing room" certification or an actual technical requirement that would shut down the 3D stream. It seems important enough to me if Sony are beginning to market AV receivers as 3D compatible including HDMI 1.4 inputs/outputs, as they literally assert that such capability will allow 3D content to pass whereas their HDMI 1.3 receivers will not. It's thus rather hypocritical for them to assert 3D capability in the BDP-S470 while simultaneously building into it a mere HDMI 1.3 output.

2. There are parallel standards brewing in the 3D HDTV roll-outs, involving polarized versus LCD shutter glasses, and differing codec/stream standards. It would be brash and irresponsible for Sony to say that the BDP-S470 will be compatible "with 3D HDTVs," implying all, when -- don't put this past Sony -- they could really only be aiming for 3D compatibility with their own Bravia HDTVs, and the rest be damned (e.g., the Vizio XVT Pro series that I'm lusting after).

Sony addressed the HDMI 1.3 issue - http://hd.engadget.com/2010/02/16/so...with-hdmi-1-3/
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post #142 of 2805
3/6/10 at 2:56pm
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That's a brash and irresponsible comment, as well as subjective. To start with, Sony also includes Crackle access, which is their Hulu counterpart using Sony Pictures Entertainment content.

Who are you to accuse me of irresponsible comments ? With more than 3000 posts here, most of them helping people , I don't think I'm irresponsible at all.

It is MY opinion that most web content is useless , besides Amazon and Netflix. Your post suggests Crackle is on the same tear as Amazon/Netflix, which obviously is not.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, please post somewhere else.
BTW, I was one of the first to get the BDP-S570 and opened the owners thread with this review:


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post18206009

You are welcome to read it.
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post #143 of 2805
3/6/10 at 3:36pm
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Who are you to accuse me of irresponsible comments ? With more than 3000 posts here, most of them helping people , I don't think I'm irresponsible at all.

It is MY opinion that most web content is useless , besides Amazon and Netflix. Your post suggests Crackle is on the same tear as Amazon/Netflix, which obviously is not.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, please post somewhere else.
BTW, I was one of the first to get the BDP-S570 and opened the owners thread with this review:


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post18206009

You are welcomed to read it.

I read this post and got a good laugh. All I could think of was Mrs. Olson from Little House on the Prairie on one of her tirades.
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post #144 of 2805
3/7/10 at 7:51am
http://winstonsreviews.com/
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post #145 of 2805
3/7/10 at 9:57am
So, what is the "Activate enhanced features" item on the "Network" menu all about if not DLNA?
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post #146 of 2805
3/7/10 at 10:32am
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So, what is the "Activate enhanced features" item on the "Network" menu all about if not DLNA?

It's for the Internet streaming/ BD Live.
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post #147 of 2805
3/7/10 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Who are you to accuse me of irresponsible comments ? With more than 3000 posts here, most of them helping people , I don't think I'm irresponsible at all.

It is MY opinion that most web content is useless , besides Amazon and Netflix. Your post suggests Crackle is on the same tear as Amazon/Netflix, which obviously is not.

If you don't have anything intelligent to say, please post somewhere else.
BTW, I was one of the first to get the BDP-S570 and opened the owners thread with this review:


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post18206009

You are welcome to read it.

I read this post and got a good laugh. All I could think of was Mrs. Olson from Little House on the Prairie on one of her tirades.

Agreed, this is an expert forum, not a daytime drama; ego and emotions are best left elsewhere.

I am glad, by the way, that the request to merge the BDP-S570 thread with this thread was denied. You have to draw the line somewhere.
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post #148 of 2805
3/7/10 at 11:44am
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Sony addressed the HDMI 1.3 issue - http://hd.engadget.com/2010/02/16/so...with-hdmi-1-3/

Thanks, that will be useful for all of us reading this thread who hadn't seen the issue was resolved (as it hadn't been mentioned here yet).

Something else intriguing from the past couple of days, linked to from the February link you provided:

HDMI 1.4a spec released in full, lays down mandatory 3D format support details

Lingering from my original post, there is still the trailing confusion -- unresolved -- about AV receivers and how they could kill a 3D stream via HDMI.
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post #149 of 2805
3/7/10 at 12:51pm
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It's for the Internet streaming/ BD Live.

Ok, I guess I performed this and didn't realize it. Shouldn't there be an option to "deactivate" it then?
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post #150 of 2805
3/7/10 at 12:58pm
I traded the panasonic 65 player for the sony. I am liking it very much.. like how the display will do the info about the bitrate and stuff. it seems that the sony gets more right then wrong. I got the netflix and the amazon on demand working.

Jacob
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