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post #2791 of 2844
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Originally Posted by Sebaz View Post

I had this player for almost a year, and it used to be a great player, but the latest firmware screwed it up. I started noticing a problem with the picture quality that wasn't there before, but at first I blamed the movies for it. To me, it seemed like an encoding error. What happens is that the movie shows a rather noticeable grain in dark scenes, and also every second or so there's a frame that is different from the rest, a little brighter and grainier, which is probably where the change of GOP is located. Also, if I press pause, the frozen frame shows an excessive amount of grain, and advancing frame by frame looks, like there's a short flash every time I advance one frame. All the picture filters in the player are off.


Like I said, at first I thought it was a movie poorly encoded, but over time I noticed that most movies had this problem, and yesterday after watching "Super 8" exhibit the same problem, I took it out and put it in my older Panasonic DMP-BD65. I had written down a time in the movie where this was especially noticeable, which was minute 54 for the rest of that sequence.


Well, the Panasonic was perfect. No added grain, no noticeable change of GOP frame, and pressing pause doesn't turn the picture into a grainy mess. So that's when I realized, Sony really screwed up this player with the latest update, because I don't remember seeing this at all since I bought it until a few months ago. The Sony support page for this player shows the latest update is M03.R.769 from 6/28/11, however I think I probably got it around September because I don't have the player connected to the internet, I only connect it every few months in case there's a firmware update.


So what I would like to know is, is there a way to revert to an earlier firmware update, and if so, is there a repository where I can find them? The Sony website only seems to have the latest one. Or, is there a way to revert it to the factory firmware, or once the update is applied, I'm stuck with it?


Thanks

I just posted about this. Yes! There is a lot of moving grain type noise all over now. It was never there before and has ruined the player. Anyway to go back to a later firmware?
post #2792 of 2844
Hi.

How do I stream movies from my Qnap which has Twonky on, to my Sony S370.

I can see Twonky in the 'Video' choices within the S370's menu, but when I open the Movie folders these break down into stream files, not the whole film.

(I can stream these movies through my PCH)

What am I doing wrong?????


thanks.

Will
post #2793 of 2844
Hows the 3d on the 470? Ill be ordering my new tv soon, and it happens to have 3d.
post #2794 of 2844
for the amount of 3d in films today it's kind of a pointless option to have as most of it is an after effect,,

most movies i've seen in the cinemas you'll be lucky to see 30 minutes of true 3d footage throughout the entire movie...


if the 470 is anything like the 370 I would use it with atleast 1 or 2 usb sticks, memory is very short in supply...


i'd be more concerned with 1080p than worrying about 3d
post #2795 of 2844
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

Hows the 3d on the 470? Ill be ordering my new tv soon, and it happens to have 3d.
Can't answer your 3d question. However, remember that this is now one or two generations old. New ones are priced much less than the old ones when they first came out 3 years ago in early 2010. I don't think Sony is updating the s/w on these decks any more (but could be wrong on that point.)
post #2796 of 2844
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

I did some more experimenting. On both the 370 and 380, it wouldn't start with the Internet enabled. On both of them, going into the player settings and changing BD Internet access to 'Not Allow' works. Both have the latest firmware.
You're a saviour. I just rented "The Artist" and loaded it into by S570 and got the black screen too. My player software was up to date and I couldn't figure out what was going on. Did a search here and didn't find anything on the S570 thread. But a look here and you had the solution. Great movie, BTW.

Seeing that the problem wasn't noticed until just recently, I'm suspecting a bad website. I notice a lot of BDs load additional preview information at the start. The link on the disk may have died.
post #2797 of 2844
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

Hows the 3d on the 470? Ill be ordering my new tv soon, and it happens to have 3d.
I can tell you that 3D on the S570 is good. Works well with my LG 7600.
post #2798 of 2844
Has anybody found an audio codec that can play, via USB, 5.1 channels ? I have used 2channel AAC and ac3 and mp3 but as soon as I increase the number of channels, it doesn't recognise the audio.
post #2799 of 2844
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Originally Posted by kwarner View Post

I can tell you that 3D on the S570 is good. Works well with my LG 7600.

Would it be the same on the 470? I guess i can just wait and see. If it works, it works, it not, ill be on the market for a new one.
post #2800 of 2844
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

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Originally Posted by kwarner View Post

I can tell you that 3D on the S570 is good. Works well with my LG 7600.

Would it be the same on the 470? I guess i can just wait and see. If it works, it works, it not, ill be on the market for a new one.
3D works very well on my S470.
post #2801 of 2844
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Originally Posted by smjbh5 View Post

Would it be the same on the 470? I guess i can just wait and see. If it works, it works, it not, ill be on the market for a new one.
The 570 is basically just the 470 with WiFi and 1G of RAM (for BD on-line caching) included.
post #2802 of 2844
Hi

I am trying to help a friend with the BDP 370 play MKV files from an external hard drive

He purchased a Toshiba 1 TB 3.0 hard drive - plugged it into the front USB port - the light on the drive lights up but the 370 is not seeing the Toshiba drive..

I appreciate the help

TIA
post #2803 of 2844
I've had my S370 (BX37) since Nov. 2010, and I fianlly hooked it up by wire for firmware update today.

The original firmware was MO3.R.623

Today's update gave me MO3.R.769.

Instead of buying a USB Wireless LAN adapter for this S370, I bought an S590 (BDP-BX59) with a bulit-in Wireless LAN. The S370 is now in the computer room, and the S590 is in the living room.

Win-Win
post #2804 of 2844
Anyone else Popping noise via HDMI? I'm really at my wits end trying to figure it it out...used to be random now it seems pretty consistent every minute or so POP...I have the latest US firmware from Sony I've tried all the DRC audio settings (cinema, standard, wide) I tried DTS and disabling DTS.
My TV is a rebranded 2011 Funai (Sylvania) I flashed it as well with the latest firmware, no changes. I haven't changed the HDMI port yet I guess that would of been the logical thing to do...nor do I have another HDMI cable to test. The cable I currently have installed is a 6' Fosmon Premium. I just ordered a 6' Premium HDMI cable from Monoprice so hopefully I'll have that in a couple days to rule out the cable.
post #2805 of 2844
The popping noise is probably capacitors going bad in the power supply. It's been a few years so it's time.
post #2806 of 2844
I haven't heard of caps going bad on stand alone players, I guess anything is possible..it's not that old. I had err still have a PIoneer DVD player from 2001 that works perfect well aside from newer DVD's it had a hard time with some.
I guess they don't make stuff like they used too
post #2807 of 2844
Well changed out the HDMI cord and tried the second HDMI port, no joy :/ I've also noticed some Blu-ray's are fine others have that popping sound in the audio channel...such as Hugo that played fine Star Trek Into Darkness I heard popping in the audio probably every 40 seconds or so mad.gif
post #2808 of 2844

Sony BDP-BX37 Firmware M03.R.769

I recently purchased a Sony BDP-BX37 Blu-ray player and while it has an older version of the firmware, everything works perfectly. However, it does want to update the firmware to version M03.R.769. I'm just wondering if this firmware update contains Cinavia protection. I've found different postings online which say that this update is both Cinavia free and contains Cinavia.

post #2809 of 2844
http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=BDPBX37&LOC=3#/downloadTab

This is the link to the Sony site for the firmware in question.
So far, Sony has been pretty good about indicating if firmware includes cinavia or not. This update does not indicate cinavia support.
The 370 series of players were licensed before cinavia support was required.
The firmware was also released before cinavia became required (mid 2011 vs. Feb. 2012).
I have heard NO reports that any of the S370 series of players support cinavia & this firmware has been out for quite a while.
I expect you are safe.
But reading what the firmware does for you and deciding if you care about any of its modifications + researching other sites to find users who have updated and tested is always a good idea.
post #2810 of 2844
None of the 370's firmware contain Cinavia. It's the x80 series that were the first to get Cinavia.
post #2811 of 2844
My s370 and s470 got new firmware today. The release notes haven't been posted yet so there's no telling what has changed.
post #2812 of 2844
NEW RELEASE! DETAILS BELOW - Has anyone tried it out? Please post your results!


File Description UPDATE Blu-ray Disc Player Firmware Upgrade Release Date 10/22/2013 Version M03.R.794 File Size 37.59 MB This utility upgrades the Blu-ray™ Disc player firmware to version M03.R.794 and provides the following benefits:

Improvements over firmware version M03.R.769:

Improves BD-ROM playability.

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version M03.R.794:

Updates BRAVIA® Internet Video to be compatible with YouTube® online service changes.
Adds the capability to play 1080/60p/50p video files produced by Sony® cameras.
Improves HDMI™ connectivity.
Resolves an issue where an unnecessary warning may be displayed when playing some discs.
Adds support for inputting non ASCII characters (Chinese etc) to the player from other devices (iPhone®, iPad®, etc.).
Improves compatibility to enhance interactivity with some BD-ROMs.
Adds support for DLNA® content
Note: The BDP-S270 does not support DLNA functions.
Improves router connectivity.
Enhanced Gracenote™ Entertainment database browser features:
Adds new features such as Related Information Browse and Contents Search to improve your Blu-ray Disc™ movie database.
Enhanced photo slideshow:
Adds new visual effects and music to add to your photos when they are displayed on a TV.
Improved Compatibility:
Adds compatibility with DTS® Neo:6® to convert the audio into 5.1 or 6.1 channel format.
Resolves an issue where video streamed over the Internet may be displayed at SD (Standard Definition) instead of HD (High Definition) even when using a high speed Internet connection (10 MBps or more) and watching video that is provided in HD.



http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=BDPS370&template_id=1&region_id=1&tab=download#/downloadTab
post #2813 of 2844
I'm surprised they are still supporting it. Sounds like mainly fixing some issues with recent BD releases. Could even have been a Sony disc that made them think about doing this.

I tried to download the ZIP file, and IE gave a 403 page error, and Firefox said there was some XML error.
post #2814 of 2844
Mine auto-updated yesterday. I don't really notice anything new or any improvements. The drive in mine will no longer read any media, so it's just basically being used as a DLNA client. Any hints on nudging it back into operation? I thought about buying a lens cleaner, and also considered opening it up and cleaning it out manually.
post #2815 of 2844
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

I tried to download the ZIP file, and IE gave a 403 page error, and Firefox said there was some XML error.
Download is now working.
post #2816 of 2844
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Originally Posted by jeffw_00 View Post

NEW RELEASE! DETAILS BELOW - Has anyone tried it out? Please post your results!


File Description UPDATE Blu-ray Disc Player Firmware Upgrade Release Date 10/22/2013 Version M03.R.794 File Size 37.59 MB This utility upgrades the Blu-ray™ Disc player firmware to version M03.R.794 and provides the following benefits:

Improvements over firmware version M03.R.769:

Improves BD-ROM playability.

Benefits provided by previous updates and included in version M03.R.794:

Updates BRAVIA® Internet Video to be compatible with YouTube® online service changes.
Adds the capability to play 1080/60p/50p video files produced by Sony® cameras.
Improves HDMI™ connectivity.
Resolves an issue where an unnecessary warning may be displayed when playing some discs.
Adds support for inputting non ASCII characters (Chinese etc) to the player from other devices (iPhone®, iPad®, etc.).
Improves compatibility to enhance interactivity with some BD-ROMs.
Adds support for DLNA® content
Note: The BDP-S270 does not support DLNA functions.
Improves router connectivity.
Enhanced Gracenote™ Entertainment database browser features:
Adds new features such as Related Information Browse and Contents Search to improve your Blu-ray Disc™ movie database.
Enhanced photo slideshow:
Adds new visual effects and music to add to your photos when they are displayed on a TV.
Improved Compatibility:
Adds compatibility with DTS® Neo:6® to convert the audio into 5.1 or 6.1 channel format.
Resolves an issue where video streamed over the Internet may be displayed at SD (Standard Definition) instead of HD (High Definition) even when using a high speed Internet connection (10 MBps or more) and watching video that is provided in HD.



http://esupport.sony.com/US/p/model-home.pl?mdl=BDPS370&template_id=1&region_id=1&tab=download#/downloadTab
Hi,
Are you sure that this update has not Cinavia, as a sort of Troyan-horse?
Thanks
post #2817 of 2844
Cinavia has never been mentioned in the S370 notes. On my S380, the notes DID mention when it was added. I think it's safe the 370 does not and probably will not have Cinavia.
post #2818 of 2844
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Originally Posted by jeffw_00 View Post

NEW RELEASE! DETAILS BELOW - Has anyone tried it out? Please post your results!


File Description UPDATE Blu-ray Disc Player Firmware Upgrade Release Date 10/22/2013 Version M03.R.794 File Size 37.59 MB This utility upgrades the Blu-ray™ Disc player firmware to version M03.R.794 and provides the following benefits:

Improved Compatibility:
Adds compatibility with DTS® Neo:6® to convert the audio into 5.1 or 6.1 channel format.

I have a 5.1 system, and I have always had the "DTS Neo:6" decoding turned "Off".

Does this latest upgrade mean that if I turn "On" the DTS Neo:6 encoding, that the BD player will automatically convert the audio in to 5.1 ?
post #2819 of 2844
Yes, if you set Neo:6 to On, the player will expand any stereo source to 5.1. Of course, most 5.1 systems already have DTS Neo:6 and Dolby PLII. So, you probably already have that capability in your AVR.
post #2820 of 2844

Most pre-2013 Sony Blu Ray players stream Netflix audio at only 2.0 PCM; no Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound

Executive summary: It took me hours to figure out that most Sony BDP (and Sony Blu Ray HTIB) built before 2012 can only stream Netflix audio at 2/0/0 (2.0 PCM) not Dolby Digital 5.1. The players can also apply a 'fake' 7.1 surround mode with DTS Neo:6. (List of affected player is at the bottom of this message.) Newer Sony BDPs stream DD 5.1 from Netflix. 

 

Also, those same players can only stream 720p video with no subtitles or alternate audio, instead of 1080p.


Long version:

 

Long time lurker, first time poster here. I'm a new "cord cutter", shifting from cable TV to streaming with Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime Instant, and Netflix Instant streaming.

 

I just spent many hours 'solving' a problem, fiddling with my Sony Blu-Ray Player and Denon AVR-1911, so I'm posting this information as a 'public service announcement' of sorts.

 

I haven't easily found other postings that use the exact language I use below, so hopefully people Googling for this problem will find this post.  (By the way, I wound up reading the Denon manual more than five times over because that's the usual advice in their threads -- well, sometimes that's not the answer.)

 

I have a Sony Blu Ray player BDP-BX37 (Costco and Sam's Club version of the BDP-S370) plugged into my Denon AVR-1911 (the AVR-791 sister model) via HDMI.

 

Using the BD to stream Netflix on new, mainstream movies, listed as HD quality with 5.1 sound, like The Hunger Games or Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol, gave me muddled surround sound. Sound from the rear surround speakers was so weak that it sounded at times like there was no rear audio with Netflix streaming.

 

After reading through many threads, I set my BDP audio options to the following:

 

Audio (HDMI) Auto
DSD Output Mode On
BD Audio MIX Setting Off
Dolby Digital (Coaxial / Optical) Dolby Digital
DTS (Coaxial / Optical) DTS
DTS Neo:6 Off
Audio DRC Auto
Downmix Surround


Going to the Denon AVR Menu - Information - Audio Input Signal revealed this information:

 

Signal: PCM
fs: 44.1 kHz
Format: 2/0/0

 

Basically, I could only get PCM 2.0 channels -- stereo -- with Netflix on the BDP, not the Dolby Digital 5.1 I expected.

 

I tried various settings on both the Blu Ray player and the Denon (resetting options and running Audyssey multiple times, etc.), but nothing worked to get 'proper' surround sound.

 

Using the DTS Neo:6 surround mode on the AVR-1911 did improve the surround sound somewhat. So did setting surround mode on the AVR to Multi Channel Stereo (MULTI CH STEREO / MCH STEREO) or Dolby Pro Logic II (PLII CINEMA / PLII C). But clearly both were not nearly as good as Dolby Digital 5.1 I was looking for.  (The multi channel stereo did bring more dialog to the rear speakers from the center channel.)

 

Then I experimented with the BDP settings. Unlike the PS3 slim, this Sony Blu-ray player does not have an explicit option for LPCM bitstream, and there is only an "Auto / PCM" choice under "Audio (HDMI)". I tried both and then running through different surround modes and diagnostics on the Denon, to no avail.

 

I also tried changing the BDP's "DTS Neo:6" setting to Cinema (and also Music), instead of Off. With that change, the Denon's surround mode automatically switched over to "MATRIX" from "NEO:6 C".   With the Sony set to DTS:Neo 6 on, the Denon lost the PLII C option, but gained an option for MULTI CH IN / MULTI IN, and the Denon's DIRECT mode now became a surround mode (because the Sony was piping in Neo:6 surround data).

 

The Sony's Neo:6 encoding sounded even worse to my ear than the Denon's Neo:6.

 

Going to the Denon AVR Menu - Information - Audio Input Signal now revealed this information:

 

Signal: PCM
fs: 44.1 kHz
Format: 3/4/.1

 

I 'knew' that these films (and others I tested that were listed on the AVSForum Netflix DD 5.1 thread) should have been playing with Dolby Digital.

 

Eventually, I discovered that an extensive list of Sony Blu-ray players cannot play 5.1 surround sound with Netflix.  Apparently, Netflix with DD 5.1 is limited to mostly 2012-and-later models in Sonyland.  In addition, those players cannot stream alternate audio or subtitles, and can only stream 720p instead of 1080p (even though the AVR will report 1080p under HDMI information, the actual content will be a maximum of 720p under ideal network conditions).

 

Here's the list of older models for the benefit of those finding this post via Google:


List of Sony Blu-ray players that only output streaming Netflix at 2.0 PCM, no Dolby Digital 5.1, and maximum 720p video, no 1080p:

 

BDP-BX18, BDP-BX37, BDP-BX38, BDP-BX57, BDP-BX58, BDP-N460, BDP-S1700ES, BDP-S185, BDP-S270, BDP-S280, BDP-S370, BDP-S380, BDP-S470, BDP-S480, BDP-S570, BDP-S580, BDP-S770, BDP-S780, BDV-E280, BDV-E370, BDV-E385, BDV-E470, BDV-E570, BDV-E580, BDV-E770W, BDV-E780W, BDV-E870, BDV-E970W, BDV-F7, BDV-HZ970W, BDV-T28, BDV-T37, BDV-T57, BDV-T58, BDV-T79, DMX-NV1, SMP-N100, SMP-N200BDP-BX18, BDP-BX37, BDP-BX38, BDP-BX57, BDP-BX58, BDP-N460, BDP-S1700ES, BDP-S185, BDP-S270, BDP-S280, BDP-S370, BDP-S380, BDP-S470, BDP-S480, BDP-S570, BDP-S580, BDP-S770, BDP-S780, BDV-E280, BDV-E370, BDV-E385, BDV-E470, BDV-E570, BDV-E580, BDV-E770W, BDV-E780W, BDV-E870, BDV-E970W, BDV-F7, BDV-HZ970W, BDV-T28, BDV-T37, BDV-T57, BDV-T58, BDV-T79, DMX-NV1, SMP-N100, SMP-N200.

 

(Information taken from Netflix webpage "Netflix Features on Your Sony Blu-ray Player").


Edited by arrowhead5 - 1/2/14 at 11:48am
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