Originally Posted by Hi Def Fan
First off I said quality, not power. One cannot equate power with quality of construction. Secondly I was referring to the dampening of the cone, not merely how much excursion it has. The extent of excursion has nothing to do with how precisely it's forward and back movement is controlled. That kind of control is never going to be possible with a mere port design. In port design cone control is specifically up to the driver design, there's no assistance from the enclosure.
I was not talking about power, I simply mentioned "given the same power". I never said anything about quality of construction. If you feel passive radiators offer better "control", above tuning, you simply do not know how a Helmholtz resonator works. The only time the passive radiators suspension affects the "dampening" of the active driver is below tuning, and the amplification system should be filtering out frequencies below tuning anyway.
Again, when we're talking "sealed" sound, we're talking cone control, vs flapping uncontrollably in an open enclosure. Let's not confuse frequency of tuning with control of the enclosure's gas management, the two are entirely different things.
If you think ports allow the driver to be "flapping uncontrollably", this only shows again you do not understand how a port works.
I'll skip quoting any part of your last paragraph and just say that your having said many factors attribute to sound quality is the obvious. Where you miss the obvious however and somewhat contradict yourself is where you say ports and the proper tuning and fitting of them is the hardest, yet the best bang for the buck.
Not sure how this is a contradiction, ports can offer the best performance for the least cost, and sound just as good as passive radiators, however this is only when the port size/tuning/execution, is not compromised to make it physically work. In some designs ports simply cannot do the job required and this is when passive radiators become the best solution, not because of sound quality, but to allow an uncompromised Helmholtz resonator design. I have done many passive radiator designs and the goal is always to have the passive radiator behave as much like a port as possible and only have enough supension to provide support to the weights and have good longevity. The softer the suspension can be the better.
Indeed port tuning is not simple, nor is even port fitting in some cabinets. This is why you see SO many crappy sounding speakers that just have little holes and short tubes in them, that offer ever so slightly lower frequency, at the expense of sound quality. I don't call that best bang for buck. In reality it's the illusion of bang for buck a lot of consumers become victims of.
Examples of compromised designs, and very often intentionally so to increase the perceived bang for the buck(output/boom). When I say "bang for the buck" I am not talking about sheer output, but about value for the dollar.
Doesn't mean a whole lot really. "Pretty good" is relative to one's success, and I don't even see anything but over priced ported enclosures, nor is it as well known a brand as they make it out to be. Looks to be still in the start up stage. You Google that name and you get one of 3 or 4 sites, including one that redirects you.
The vague and even contradictory terms he uses leaves me even more skeptical. In reality the internet is full of people trying to use forums to launch their business. Doesn't mean they succeed at it, and if he was as successful as he makes it sound, he wouldn't need to be glomming onto forums to get customers.
They make light of "big box stores", yet contradict that resistance to volume sales by trying to make themselves sound like they have a vast global consumer base. Yet where is their name seen even in smaller volume high end audio stores? None that I've seen in the US. Sounds a lot like snake oil to me.
You know when you see someone talk as if they prioritize basic build quality of speakers using cabinet material like aluminum, it's more about a gimmicky fashion statement than bang for the buck sound quality. How he could even mention bang for the buck in his post above is a bit absurd really.
None of the ported products on our old site are currently avaiable. We are in no way start up; we have been building custom speakers for over 12 years. We have only just recently changed our name and are revamping our entire product line, too keep up with our growth, and market changes. We do not claim to be a "large" company but we are well established. We are internet direct sales only, so you will not see our brand in stores, we do have OEM products (that will remain nameless) in stores. We have sold products "worldwide"; Hong Kong, Austria, Italy, Australia, Finland, to name a few.
There are no gimmicks, aluminum has its place but is far from "bang for the buck" option. When I said bang for the buck I was simply talking about the fact that ported design can offer the best bang for the buck.