Yamaha 2010 Receiver Lineup? - Page 2

Some attempt to respond to that perception may be one reason Yamaha has upgraded the 667/767 (price point) presence processing to CINEMA DSP 3D, which I believe was previously reserved to the RX-Z11...?

[Which also might suggest Yamaha has some newer presence environment in store for future premium/flagship models...? A 'next generation', replacement, proprietary Yamaha DSP Presence environment should probably 'include' both DPLIIz and the long overdue DTS height processing (which we've been 'promised' for summer 2010...?)]

Found this when searching on Google (remember Google keeps their data long after a website may take down their web page).

Using this search criteria in Google:
rx-v767 site:yamahashoponline.com

Yamaha Shop Online 7-Channel A/V Receiver Kit
Overview. Get a FREE iPod dock (YDS-11SL) with this RX-V767. Original MSRP, $649.95. Instant Savings, -$50.00. You Pay, $599.95. Shipping, FREE

I noticed that (according to the NPBs) the discrete amps start at the 667, and yet only the 767 has the taller chassis. Not sure if this means there's a mistake in the doc or not (since the 665 did not have discrete amps).

Also video upscaling with "precise deinterlacing" suggests they changed the video processor. Not sure if it's the ABT2010 from the higher end models though.

And I like the HDMI input on the front of the 767. Lots of portable devices have HDMI outputs these days.

It's worth noting that Buy.com now has the RX-v467 on their website (listed as "out of stock"). No price (yet)

its interesting to see s-video connections making there way back on even the entry level receivers.

I dont know why they were eliminated to start with.

NEWEGG has the new receivers (or at least the web site says they do).

RX-V367 $229

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882115238

I wouldn't be surprised if the other models turn up later. Internally the 367 is a completely different design, probably something they contracted out and slapped a Yamaha name on just to meet that price point. Anyone looking at the 367 should remember it doesn't decode HD audio (or any audio over HDMI for that matter).

Edit: The manuals for the 367/467/567 are now on Yamaha's web site. At least I was right about one thing, the 467/567 are a month behind the 367. But, unlike the 365, the 367 can accept audio over HDMI (except for HD bitstreams), and since it can do that they took away the multi-channel analog inputs.

True it can not decode Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA, but it looks like it will accept audio over HDMI including multi-channel PCM, if you have blu-ray player that can do the decoding.

Cheers

You're right, the manuals are now up and the 367 has this improvement over the 365. Also the manuals have finally been updated to a landscape format that's much better for viewing on a computer screen.

I prefer portrait so I can put two pages side by side.

I know what you mean (if you have a very big monitor), but the new Yamaha manuals seem to have been redesigned to work well one page at a time in landscape mode. I think they're easier to read than the old ones.

I believe Yamaha already have a wireless zone 2-3 solution similar to the sonos in feature and price.

Really interest me which video processor are built into the RX-V767?

The Yamaha site now lists their new models.

I put up a thread for the 467/567. I will try to remember to keep it updated.

Having not played with the Yamaha yet, I can not confirm that you can select the audio files you want to play via the ipod interface similar to the Sonos...

Anyone know of any Receivers that could replace a sonos with a sonos like gui interface?

looks like french site about the 767
http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/v...hp?p=173660544

damn, was hoping for networkability and i do not see it. go to pg 3 btw, for english.


oh well, i pasted the specs over:


RX-V767

Supports 3D and Audio Return Channel over 6 in / 2 out HDMI, HD Audio
decoding with CINEMA DSP 3D, 1080p upscaling with precise deinterlacing, GUI
and SCENE function for outstanding ease-of-use.
High Sound Quality
• 7-channel powerful surround sound (1,015W=145W x 7 max for Europe,
665W=95W x 7 RMS, 945W=135W x 7 max)
• HD Audio format decoding: Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio;
Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
• Discrete amp configuration
• Pure Direct for HD Audio and Video enjoyment
• Low jitter PLL circuitry
• Assignable amplifiers for bi-amp connection
• Intelligent assignable amplifiers for Surround Back <-> Front Presence or
Zone 2
High Picture Quality
• Analogue and HDMI video upscaling to full HD 1080p
• 1080p-compatible HDMI: 6 inputs (1 on front) and 2 outputs
(simultaneous)
• Supports Deep Colour (30/36 bit), x.v.Colour, 24Hz Refresh Rate and Auto
Lip-Sync compensation
• High quality video processing with precise deinterlacing:
-Motion adaptive and edge adaptive deinterlacing
-Multi-cadence (incl. 3-2 pull-down) detection
Advanced Features
• SCENE buttons (BD/DVD, TV, CD and Radio) - quick and simple to use
• HDMI (V.1.4 with 3D and Audio Return Channel)
• YPAO sound optimisation for automatic speaker setup
• New GUI on-screen display with album art and 6 languages (English,
French, German, Spanish, Russian and Japanese)
• HDMI CEC functionality
• Audio input assign capability for HDMI and component video input
AV Receiver
RX-V767 NEW PRODUCT BULLETIN
Supports 3D and Audio Return Channel over 6 in / 2 out HDMI, HD Audio
decoding with CINEMA DSP 3D, 1080p upscaling with precise deinterlacing, GUI
and SCENE function for outstanding ease-of-use.
Technical Data 1
The RX-V767 offered
with black, titanium and
gold finish available in
some areas.
• Ability to change HDMI input while in Standby Through mode
• iPod/iPhone compatibility with optional YDS-12 Universal Dock
• iPod song titles displayed in English and Western European languages on
the front panel and on-screen display
• Wireless connection for iPod/iPhone with optional YID-W10
• Bluetooth (A2DP) compatibility with optional Yamaha Bluetooth® Wireless
Audio Receiver YBA-10
• Audio Delay for adjusting Lip-Sync (0-240 ms)
• Dialogue Lift
• Auto power down function with variable time setting
• Learning-capable and preset remote unit
Surround Realism
• HD Audio decoding with CINEMA DSP 3D (17 DSP programmes)
• Compressed Music Enhancer with CINEMA DSP
• Virtual Presence Speaker function for CINEMA DSP 3D surround without
Front Presence Speakers
• Adaptive DRC (Dynamic Range Control) and Adaptive DSP Level
• SILENT CINEMA and Virtual CINEMA DSP
Versatile Zone Control
• Zone 2 on/off and control on front panel
• Zone sleep and system sleep
• Party Mode
• Remote input/output
• Programmable +12V trigger output


Main Specifications
Audio Section
Maximum Output Power (for Europe, 4 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7% THD)
Front L/R Channels 145 W + 145 W
Centre Channel 145 W
Surround L/R Channels 145 W + 145 W
Surround Back Channels 145 W + 145 W
Minimum RMS Output Power (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08% THD)
Front Channels 95 W + 95 W
Centre Channel 95 W
Surround Channels 95 W + 95 W
Surround Back Channels 95 W + 95 W
Maximum Power (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 10% THD)
Front L/R Channels 135 W + 135 W
Centre Channel 135 W
Surround L/R Channels 135 W + 135 W
Surround Back Channels 135 W + 135 W
Dynamic Power/Channel (Front L/R, 8/6/4/2 ohms) 130/165/195/240 W
Frequency Response (AV5, Front L/R) 10 Hz–100 kHz +0, -3 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion (AV5, Pure Direct, Front Sp Out) 0.06% (20 Hz-20 kHz, 50 W/8 ohms)
Input Sensitivity/Impedance
Phono MM 3.5 mV/47 k-ohms
(1 kHz, 100 W/8 ohms)
AV5 200 mV/47 k-ohms
(Multi-Channel In)
F/C/S/SB 200 mV/47 k-ohms
Subwoofer 200 mV/47 k-ohms
Rec Out 200 mV/1.2 k-ohms
Output Level/Impedance
Pre Out (F/C/S/SB) 1 V/1.2 k-ohms
Subwoofer 1 V/1.2 k-ohms
Zone 2 Out 200 mV/1.2 k-ohms
Signal-to-Noise Ratio (AV5, Pure Direct, Input Shorted, Sp Out) 100 dB (250 mV)
Video Section
Video Monitor Out Frequency Response Component Video Signal 5 Hz-60 MHz -3 dB
Tuner Section
FM 50dB Quieting Sensitivity Mono 3 μV (20.8 dBf)
FM Signal-to-Noise Ratio Mono / Stereo 74 dB / 70 dB
General
Standby Power Consumption (HDMI Off, Standby Through Off) 0.2 W
Standby Power Consumption (HDMI On/Standby Through On) 2.7 W
Dimensions (W x H x D) 435 x 171 x 368 mm

Inputs
HDMI (audio Input Assignable)* 6
Radio Antenna (FM/AM) 1 / 1
Dock Terminal for Optional Dock Accessories 1
Optical Digital 2
Coaxial Digital 2
Analogue Audio (with Phono)* 6
Component Video (Audio Input Assignable) 2
Composite Video 5
Multi-Channel External Decoder 8ch
* Including front panel terminals.
Outputs
HDMI 2 (simultaneous)
Analogue Audio 2
Pre Out 7ch
Component Video Monitor 1
Composite Monitor 1
Composite AV 1
Speaker (without subwoofer)* / ** 7ch / 9 ter
Subwoofer 2 x mono
* Assignable for surround back L/R to bi-amp (front L/R).
** Banana-plug compatible speaker terminals are available in some
areas.
Others
Zone 2 Audio Out 1
Remote In/Out 1 / 1
+12V/0.1A Trigger Out 1

unless Yamaha has upgraded the wattage specifications on the z11 I doubt anything they may think to replace it with will likely fix the 4 presence channels issues...

may be yamaha has gotten around to building pre-amp version to the z11..

with the lower end models I suspect Yamaha is following the same suit as denon and onkyo have done in their next gen avr's..

it's a pity I would of expected the newer units would of had an upgrade to the hdmi inputs and outputs as in more hdmi connections in the higher end models..

There's nothing stopping Yamaha making a substantively different USA version -- and including networking . . . or even adding an Ethernet port for all 767 versions AFTER the NPB was printed in order to improve marketability! [They could even change the internal chip set, and NOT the rear apron layout, by 'adding' HDMI 1.4 with networking.]

But it seems more likely Yamaha feels the 767 competes with (e.g.) the Pioneer VSX-1020-K on the announced merits; which probably means the best we can expect is that networking might appear on the 'next up' model, whatever replaces the 863 and 1065...?!

An observation on rear apron layout changes: Prior year x63/x65 models with 9 or 11 speaker terminal sets had at most the terminals for seven speakers in a row: R, L, C, RS, LS, BR, BL . . . and 2 or 4 Presence/Zone speaker terminal sets above the right hand end of the 'main' speaker terminal row. The 767 has the terminals for all nine speakers located on the 'main' speaker terminal row . . . with 'lots' of unused space above them, and perhaps room for to connect 4 more speakers on the higher end x67 models using the same basic rear apron...?!

RX-V767 'General Model' [partial] rear apron [from NPB]

I agree that networking was not expected on the 767. It started on the 2065 last year, and I don't think it will move down more than one model (if at all). So maybe the 1067 will have networking, but it might not.

http://www.twice.com/article/450979-...g_HDMI_1_4.php


Nice to finally see something from Yamaha on this front. I'll be quite eager to see when/if the successors to the likes of the rxv1900 and 3900 roll out and what their story will be.

Just for 'fun' I overlaid the RX-V767 rear apron [from the GE model NPB] on to the rear of an RX-V765/1065/2065 chassis so that we might speculate where additional connections on the 1067(?)/2067(?) may be located. One obvious conclusion: it looks like the power supply has been resized or moved relative to the rear apron on the [full height] x67 models!

RX-V767 GE model rear apron (extrapolated)


RX-V2065 USA model rear apron for comparison

While I like to read about what's new, I don't see anything here that makes me wish i would have waited to get one of these rather than my 1900.

What is the weight of the 767, I wonder. Is it another light weight like the x65 series?

I wonder if the 1900/3900 will get firmware updates for 3D or maybe that's not even possible.

If by "3D" you mean HDMI 1.4, no it's not possible. The most convenient solution is a player with dual HDMI outputs that can send audio to the AVR and video to the display. But HDMI 1.4 is one of the main upgrades to the newer line of AVRs. 3D also requires a completely different line of video chips in AVRs, and the list goes on. So there's a lot more to it than just HDMI 1.4 ratings.

gotcha,

That's something I am not really interested in at this point anyway.

How is the ps3 pulling it off???
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http://www.monoprice.com/home/home.asp?pn=help&idx=2
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`` Conclusion
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Cables, yes. However 3D is reported to require certain EDID info from the HDMI sink (display,) or it won't be sent. Apparently, HDMI 1.3 receivers may not pass this info.

That's what the experts seem to be saying, anyway.

I think the problem is the experts aren't saying much if anything at all, and most of what you read about this on the net is from people who don't really know what they are talking about.

EDID shouldn't be a problem, because a player could be told to output a 3D format regardless of what EDID it gets from the display via the receiver. In fact the manual of the Samsung 3D player describes just such an option to force 3D output. The EDID info doesn't control the hardware directly, software can override it.

The HDMI 1.3 transmitter chip in recent Yamaha AVRs definitely supports the 3D formats, and Silicon Image even added this note to their web site (look up the SiI9134). They did not add a similar note for the HDMI receiver chip (the SiI9135), but I'm not sure at this stage this rules out anything.

Firmware would have to be modified in the AVR to make it work, and the chances of that happening are slim to none (at least from Yamaha). But I'll be having a close look at the promised firmware update for the x67 series when it comes out, to see if there's any hope for my 1800.

Otherwise no big deal, an external switch or a player with dual outputs will solve the problem when/if I get a 3D display.

It looks like Yamaha's entry level RX-V367 (100W x 5 & only DPLII) will be facing some strong competition from Denon at the [MSRP] $249.95 price point soon . . . From a TWICE news report:
From my [consumer] perspective 'a feature fight' at the entry level price points should lead to earlier inclusion of more advanced features (or lower street prices) in the mid priced Yamaha models [where I shop!] than I had previously anticipated!

I believe throughout Yamaha history of AV Receivers, it seems like DTS-HD MA and TrueHD are present from the RX-V6xx Series and up. Anything south of that series doesn't have that decoding, iirc. To me, the 6 series was always the sweet spot of the Yamaha lineups, and it's easy to see why...