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Best video card for Flash and gaming?

post #1 of 33
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I'm buying the mobo for my 9850BE right now and a couple of drives (for my backend / app server). I was seriously considering getting the dual-core Revo to use as a front end because of the low power consumption and small size, but I watch Hulu frequently and I just don't think that it's ready for Flash yet. Also, I'd like to be able to play some games in Wine and Cedega, so I decided to get a new video card for my workstation and use it as the front end.

But which one??????

Of course, I'll go with Nvidia because of VDPAU, and I don't mind spending up to $200 for one if it's going to provide me with smooth Hulu playback and run some recent games.

So, I'm asking you guys for input on this one. What do you think?

EDIT: I'm using DVI to a 24" 1920x1200 monitor and optical SPDIF to my Z-5500, so I don't need HDMI. Also, it's a PCI Express 2.0 slot.
post #2 of 33
Since the GT240 seem to still have driver issues (in Linux), I'd go for a 220.
Also from our testing a while ago it appears that HD Flash issues are not related to the power of the graphics card or cpu but rather the Nvidia video driver with Flash (since I have no tearing or any other problems at all on an old Intel 945GC+E5300@3GHz PC when playing back HD flash streams).
post #3 of 33
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But can the 220 handle recent games?

Also, I can understand why you would place the blame on the nvidia driver (which has a tendency to correct itself) for Flash playback, but I'm not going to buy an Intel GPU just to watch Hulu. It's clear to me that the amount of OpenGL support in the card and the way that is is handled is responsible for smooth Flash playback because Flash currently uses OpenGL. There are nvidia cards on the market right now that can handle it just fine with the current drivers, and I'm asking "Which ones?". I expect that the 220 can, but I need something that can play games, as well, and I'm not sure that the 220 can handle that.
post #4 of 33
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Originally Posted by mythmaster View Post

Also, I can understand why you would place the blame on the nvidia driver (which has a tendency to correct itself) for Flash playback,

Not blaming the nvidia driver, the fault might still be with Flash, but in any case it's something between them.

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but I'm not going to buy an Intel GPU just to watch Hulu.

I didn't expect that from you (especially since then you need a Intel cpu too...)

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There are nvidia cards on the market right now that can handle it just fine with the current drivers, and I'm asking "Which ones?".

Really? I have never heard from anyone who gets PERFECT full screen HD Flash without even the slightest tearing (usually only noticeable when there is fast left<>right movement in the video, like panning) on a Nvidia card, but if there is, I'd like to know too.
As I said I have perfect playback with a 945GC and a E5300, so it can't require that much CPU and GPU power since any Nvidia card of the last 5 years has better OpenGL performance than the 945GC.

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I expect that the 220 can, but I need something that can play games, as well, and I'm not sure that the 220 can handle that.

I'm no games expert at all (haven't played action computer games for 10 years, since the times of Doom and Descent...), but I would have thought that the limited choice of Linux games isn't that demanding not to work well on a 220.
If you are talking Windows games then I have really no idea.
post #5 of 33
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I think that zim2dive has reported good Flash playback on his 9500GT, but I could be wrong. I'm wondering about the 2xx series. Surely, there's an nvidia card that can play Hulu smoothly.

The games I'm referring to are Windows games via Wine or Cedega. I can't remember the last time I spent much time with gaming, but I want to have the option. I do have a nephew and my cousins have kids that might stop by, so I'd like to provide them with the opportunity to blow up stuff and dismember random people.
post #6 of 33
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Originally Posted by mythmaster View Post

I think that zim2dive has reported good Flash playback on his 9500GT, but I could be wrong. I'm wondering about the 2xx series. Surely, there's an nvidia card that can play Hulu smoothly.

The games I'm referring to are Windows games via Wine or Cedega. I can't remember the last time I spent much time with gaming, but I want to have the option. I do have a nephew and my cousins have kids that might stop by, so I'd like to provide them with the opportunity to blow up stuff and dismember random people.

I have a 9500GT, but moved that into another machine, given that performance with my GT220 seemed at least on par (I was less sure of the GT220 for the other box, so I kept it with HTPC). Once the alsa patches are rolled in to a release I can run the 220 over HDMI with audio.

In the HTPC I currently have E6300 (2.8GHz) and GT220. Still not perfect full-screen 480p Hulu but pretty decent on full/HD with medium quality.

I'm not much for Wine/PC games, but if you have a simple test/benchmark I could run, I'd be happy to do so... and/or on any linux games (I have nexuiz, yo frankie, etc) (I imagine I could get frame rates out of those one way or another)
post #7 of 33
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Thanks, zim. There's a GL bench that I found from surfing nvnews, but I can't remember what it's called.

Anyway, it looks like I'm going to have to dual-boot to Windows to play Hulu and Netflix (which really sucks hard), so I might as well load up the games there, also. I'll PXE boot to Linux and put Windows on the HD.

I think I'll go with the GTX 260 -- my PSU can barely handle it.
post #8 of 33
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OK, I went ahead and ordered the GTX 260. I'll find that bench and post results for Linux, plus I'll let you know how it does with Flash. Maybe I won't have to dual-boot at all (fingers crossed).
post #9 of 33
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Originally Posted by zim2dive View Post

...if you have a simple test/benchmark I could run...

Here it is: http://unigine.com/download/#tropics

And here are the results (3/8/09) from my 9300GS which has frequent tearing in flash video and can barely play low-end games:

post #10 of 33
Is that 180.37 the nvidia driver version?

If yes why are you still running such an old release?

Upgrade to 190.53, there have been so many improvements since 180.x that your tearing with flash might quit likely improve (although probably not go away completely) just with a newer driver.
post #11 of 33
Here is my humble Quadro NVS 290:

post #12 of 33
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Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

Is that 180.37 the nvidia driver version?

If yes why are you still running such an old release?

Upgrade to 190.53, there have been so many improvements since 180.x that your tearing with flash might quit likely improve (although probably not go away completely) just with a newer driver.

That test was run March of last year.

Thank you for posting your results. I'll test my GTX 260 when it gets here.
post #13 of 33
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Here it is: http://unigine.com/download/#tropics

How do I run it? I dl'd and sh'd the run file.. it unpacked and I get a tropics folder..... when I cd to bin and ./tropics I get
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Xml::load(): can't open "/home/zimmy/Desktop/tropics/bin/unigine.cfg" file
Config::load(): can't open "/home/zimmy/Desktop/tropics/bin/unigine.cfg" file
Engine::init(): clear video settings for "GeForce GT 220 PCI Express 195.30"
FileSystem::load_dir(): can't open "/home/zimmy/Desktop/tropics/bin/data/" directory

Unigine fatal error
Xml::load(): can't open "/home/zimmy/Desktop/tropics/bin/unigine.cfg" file
Config::load(): can't open "/home/zimmy/Desktop/tropics/bin/unigine.cfg" file
Engine::init(): clear video settings for "GeForce GT 220 PCI Express 195.30"
FileSystem::load_dir(): can't open "/home/zimmy/Desktop/tropics/bin/data/" directory
Engine::init(): can't initialize filesystem

Shutdown
post #14 of 33
I simply ran ./fullscreen_1280x1024.sh in the tropics folder (my monitor happens to be 1280x1024). I guess for other monitor sizes just adjust the valuse in the .sh script.

Once started click on the benchmark icon on the top bar.
post #15 of 33
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Originally Posted by zim2dive View Post

How do I run it? I dl'd and sh'd the run file.. it unpacked and I get a tropics folder..... when I cd to bin and ./tropics I get

Sounds like permissions, but not sure.

I'll run it again when my card gets here.
post #16 of 33
Ah, I was trying to run tropics.. not the fullscreen scripts.. ok

post #17 of 33
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That's not too bad for 1920x1080, zim. Is flash watchable on that 220?
post #18 of 33
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That's not too bad for 1920x1080, zim. Is flash watchable on that 220?

1920x1080, Hulu HD(ie. 480p), I find watchable at "medium" flash quality setting. At high, there are too many "tears" for my taste. MANY fewer (but maybe not 0) at medium.
post #19 of 33
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Thank you. I'll test the GTX 260 in XP first (because that's what I'm running right now for a number of reasons) when it gets here (looks like tomorrow). Then, I'll test it in Linux after I get my backend set up which is going to be very complicated, and I'm kinda lazy. So I can't give you an ETA on that. Maybe next week, but I have an all-essay mid-term to prepare for, and that will have to take priority. I'll have to get a C in that class in order to keep getting student loans which are paying for so many things: food, wine, hardware, etc.
post #20 of 33
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OMG that's the biggest video card I've ever seen! I haven't plugged it in yet...still marveling at it. Can't wait to see the scores.

Great call on the mobo, too, tux. She's a real beauty.
post #21 of 33
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OMG that's the biggest video card I've ever seen! I haven't plugged it in yet...still marveling at it. Can't wait to see the scores.

To be comparable you have to do them in Linux though!

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Great call on the mobo, too, tux. She's a real beauty.

Which revision did you receive, 2.0 or the latest 2.1?
Make sure the northbridge heatsink is sitting tight, that's the only weak point of this mobo, mine was loose so I replaced the 2 snap in screws with a pair of proper M3/1.2cm long nylon screws with matching nylon nuts and a couple of nylon spacers, like this one:



After doing that and replacing the thermal paste with some arctic silver, the heat sink is now sitting rock solid and northbridge temps are now in the lower 30s (celsius), even after hours of heavy use. (no need for any active cooling on the northbridge)
post #22 of 33
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Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

To be comparable you have to do them in Linux though!

Of course I'll run the test in both.

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Originally Posted by tux99 View Post

Which revision did you receive, 2.0 or the latest 2.1?
Make sure the northbridge heatsink is sitting tight, that's the only weak point of this mobo, mine was loose so I replaced the 2 snap in screws with a pair of proper M3/1.2cm long nylon screws with matching nylon nuts and a couple of nylon spacers, like this one:

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4830/screwg.jpg

After doing that and replacing the thermal paste with some arctic silver, the heat sink is now sitting rock solid and northbridge temps are now in the lower 30s (celsius), even after hours of heavy use. (no need for any active cooling on the northbridge)

It's the 2.0. The heatsink feels OK, so I'll see how the temps look when I get it installed. TBH I don't really want to mess with it.
post #23 of 33
How's your new build going?
We are all eager to see some benchmark output and some comments on nvidia driver status for the 260... (including HD flash full screen performance)
post #24 of 33
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I have a ton of rearranging to do, so I've been putting it off until after my midterm. Stuff can go wrong fast, and my classes are all online, so I'm not taking any chances.

Basically, I have 1 IDE 80GB drive and 2 SATA 80GB drives in my mid-tower with my dual-core opty where the 260 will go. The mobo will go into my HTPC case with my 9850 and the 2 SATA 80GB drives + 1 more in a RAID0 array + a new 1.5TB for storage. I'll PXE boot the opty to linux and put Windows on the IDE.

I also have a 1TB external drive, but it doesn't work with my current 939 board, so I'll have to boot my current setup to the new board before I can back up my movies.

I wanted to go ahead and plug in the 260 to my current setup (939, opty, 3 HD's, 2 optical), but I would have had to move some drives around, dig PSU cables out of my closet (it's modular and the card requires 2 6-pins), and since the PSU is barely rated above the minimal requirements for the video card I didn't feel comfortable with it.

Plus, I need to buy a new UPS since mine is fried and it has already cost me 2 drives in a year's time (we get plenty of power outages here in Oklahoma).

Trust me when I tell you that I want to see some scores on this 260 more than anyone, but I just can't do it right now. Let me get this 80-question all-essay midterm out of the way (way too much for a freakin' elective if you ask me), and I'll get everything going and post some test results.
post #25 of 33
Well, good luck with your mid-term then!
post #26 of 33
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Thanks, but I already know that I'm gonna fail this elective.

I just need to go find a good UPS before I get these systems up and running. Then I'll be able to report some benchmarks.

post #27 of 33
I just got this GDDR5 GT240 and popped it in ($45 on sale this past week.. figured that made the upgrade worth it.. will do a musical chairs with existing GPUs and can probably sell my 9500GT(the card that will end up without a chair) for close to $45 )

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814125304

Re-Ran Tropics... it hung/crashed at exit, so I didn't get the saved result but it was roughly

FPS : 19.x
Score: 475


So that is a nice improvement over the GT220.. more than 2x.

I have not tried getting HDMI audio to work yet.. may have to wait til next weekend to dive into that (I think I need alsa patches)... so for now, still DVI and mobo optical audio out.
post #28 of 33
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I still haven't installed my 260 yet because I'm still waiting for the dining room table to clean itself.
post #29 of 33
Make certain you have the latest drivers for that card. The old drivers had both a performance bug and the dreaded fan speed bug.

Announcement: Fan control problem in 195.36.03 and 195.36.08 (updated 2010-03-15)
post #30 of 33
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Thanks, I usually download them from Nvidia and install them manually.

That would suck if the fans didn't work right. It's already going to sound like a vacuum cleaner.
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