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Audio/Video total rating:

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93






Studio and Year: Sony Pictures - 2009
MPAA Rating: PG-13
Feature running time: 158 minutes
Genre: Thriller/Adventure

Disc Format: BD-50
Encoding: AVC (MPEG-4)
Video Aspect: 2.40:1
Resolution: 1080p/24


Audio Format(s): English/French DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio
Subtitles: English, English SDH, French
Starring: John Cusak, Amanda Peet, Danny Glover, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Oliver Platt, Thandie Newton, Woody Harrelson
Directed by: Roland Emmerich
Music by: Harald Kloser & Thomas Wander
Written by: Harald Kloser & Roland Emmerich
Region Code: A,B,C

Blu-ray Disc release Date: March 2, 2010







"We were warned"



Film Synopsis:

From Roland Emmerich, director of THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW and INDEPENDENCE DAY, comes the ultimate action-adventure film, exploding with groundbreaking special effects. As the world faces a catastrophe of apocalyptic proportions, cities collapse and continents crumble. 2012 brings an end to the world and tells of the heroic struggle of the survivors.




My Take:

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I think it would be fair to say that the disaster film genre has been well tapped by writer/director Roland Emmerich. In listening to him it is clear that he considers himself a visionary filmmaker. I would agree with him in that he certainly has a vision and knows how to clearly apply it using his films as a conveyance. I find the grandiose style and epic scope of his movies to be entertaining regardless of their formulaic nature. 2012 is an adventure film that depicts the Mayan prophecy of the demise of the world in the year 2012. The story centers around the world’s attempt to preserve humanity by uniting to build large vessels capable of saving a pre-selected group of people, animals, and nature’s elements from the destructive floods and land mass shifts that will result from damaging neutrinos emanating from the sun. It focuses on several groups of people beginning with government scientist Adrian Helmsley (Ejiofor), whose close friend Dr. Satnum Tsurutani (Mistry) first discovers the impending destruction of the planet and alerts him. Adrian immediately reports the findings to our government officials and the remaining world nations are brought onboard. With Adrian’s help a plan is formulated and put into place based upon the predicted timelines established. A decision is made not to alert the world as this could cause a collapse in the economy, basic services and standard of living. Adrian struggles with the decision to keep the world in the dark and finds himself constantly at odds with his boss Carl Anheuser (Platt), a bureaucrat that simply sees things in black and white. Jackson Curtis (Cusack), a divorced author, his ex-wife Kate (Peet), their two kids, and her new husband Gordon (McCarthy) inadvertently discover the truth after Jackson takes the kids on a camping trip to a national park where they meet Charlie Frost (Harrelson), an underground radio show host (who broadcasts from his RV), who preaches to his minions about the impending world demise and the apparent signs that no one publicly acknowledges. While Jackson initially sees Charlie as a harmless radical, events unfold quickly that support everything he claims. One of which is that the government is building a ship that is designed to save a select group from the impending world wide destruction. Within a day of their meeting the world begins to experience a series of planetary land mass shifts and devastating earthquakes. Jackson, realizing what lies ahead, manages to get to Kate, Gordon and the kids in time to get them out of the city before it is swallowed up by the large quakes that hit California. They are now racing against time in order to find Charlie and obtain the location of the ship in the hope that they can somehow get there and manage to survive the impending decimation of human kind.

Emmerich has a penchant for conveying the human condition under extreme circumstances. This film depicts the struggles of these characters that exist on differing planes but share a common bond. At over two and a half hours it plays a little long however Emmerich and co-writer Harald Kloser allow plenty of time for character development before unleashing a furious pace that lasts for nearly the duration of the film. This is big budget action and features lots of mind bending special effects coupled along with the requisite formula of drama/suspense/thrills. The script has its share of sentiment, familial bonds, and speaks toward moral responsibility. It some ways it is a sort of modern Noah’s Ark retelling that features a world pulling together for the greater good. It is a little corny? Yeah. Are the special effects over the top? Sure. Does it have epic aspirations? Certainly. It is worthwhile from a mindless yet entertaining perspective? You bet. I sat back and took it in without giving much thought to contrivances or conventional plot points as they are to be expected. There is enough depth to the screenplay, cast, and of course special effects to keep things rolling. I never found myself disinterested. Personally speaking any film starring Amanda Peet is worth giving a shot. I thought the cast was nicely balanced and the script provided many of them with the opportunity to shine. There is no denying that 2012 is a special effect laden spectacle however it successfully managed to integrate the remaining elements of its story well enough that I cared what happened to its characters. It was better than expected and its fantastic audio/video presentation on Blu-ray certainly didn’t hurt either.



Parental Guide:

The rating is for intense disaster sequences and language.






AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:
REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65

**My audio/video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


(Each rating is worth 4 points with a max of 5 per category)

Audio: 94



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Video: 92


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2012 comes to Blu-ray Disc from Sony featuring 1080p AVC encoded video that has an average bitrate of 28 mbps and lossless DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound that has an average bitrate of 3.7 mbps.

This is a disaster film that utilizes a variety of visual concepts which includes the blending of CGI/real life and its ability to clearly render its elements under those conditions is essential to getting the most out of it. This presentation excels at delivering first class imagery that is consistent with the better new release films coming to Blu-ray. It offers rich, velvety textured blacks that enhance dimension. The low level and dark sequences look breathtaking. Images are gradationally adept and three dimensionally depicted so that the long drawn skylines, unevenly lit interiors, and shadow laden environs have a seemingly infinite level of depth. Shadow detail is consistent and is probably as good as I have seen. Images are crisp with subtle refinement, resolute sharpness and exquisite three dimensional depth that can be visually arresting. Contrast is strong and dynamic which energizes colors, empowers whites/grays and engages blacks. Colors are appreciably delineated with natural rendering and punchy primaries that stood out among those within the varied range used. Fleshtones are beautifully rendered with subtle nuance and lifelike complexional depiction. The video has a pleasing, grain splashed texture, that coincides nicely with it gritty storyline. Other than some very minor banding I found little to complain with respect to fidelity. This plays hand in hand with the film’s stark visual style and provides an incredibly entertaining experience that looks superb regardless of the size of your display.

This lossless DTS-HD Master Audio soundtrack is demonstration quality and is sure to please those who like to play their systems loud. This recording has wide dynamic range and boasts superlative clarity and high level detail that is truly impressive. Dialogue is definitive and appreciably lucid through the center channel as it reaches far into the room. It’s located just slightly in front of the left/right speakers within the acoustic space it occupies in the soundfield. I never had any trouble distinguishing even the slightest changes in the pitch or inflection of voices. Front channel separation and imaging was excellent. This drew out both large and small sound elements and allowed their directional correlation based upon the onscreen events to be definable. The mix makes effective and often aggressive use of the surround channels to elongate the front soundstage and reproduce the spatial and discrete sounds of this demanding soundtrack. The listening position is submerged in a rotating soundscape that is sometimes riveting as it bombards the senses with a combination of well placed sound effects and musical ambience. The low frequency effects are applied authoritatively to underscore the bombastic and aggressive aspects of this soundtrack and it does so quite effectively. This is a sophisticated sound design that is loaded with various sound effects, spatial cues, music, and dialogue. Each was clearly represented with enriching clarity, detail and appropriate sound field placement.

This is a reference quality audio/video presentation that truly enhanced the enjoyment of this film. Those who like playing their systems at reference levels will want to exercise caution as there are transient peaks and extended dynamic range in this recording capable of testing the limits of lesser systems. Enjoy!



Bonus Features:


  • Disc 1:


  • Roland’s vision: Picture in picture BonusView feature

  • MovieIQ

  • Commentary with writer/director Roland Emmerich & co-writer Harald Kloser

  • (HD) Alternate ending

  • (HD) BD previews - Armored, The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, Did You Hear About the Morgans?, Angels & Demons, and Planet 51.

  • BD-Live enabled

  • Disc 2:


  • Interactive Mayan calendar:

    1. Mysteries of the Mayan calander
    2. Mayan personality profile
    3. Mayan horoscope
    4. Legend

  • (HD) Featurettes:

    1. Mysteries of the Mayan calendar – 4 minutes
    2. Designing the end of the world – 26 minutes
    3. Roland Emmerich: Master of the modern epic – 9 minutes
    4. Science behind the destruction – 13 minutes
    5. The end of the world: The actor’s perspective – 7 minutes
    6. Countdown to the future – 22 minutes

  • (HD) 5 deleted scenes

  • (HD) “Time for miracles” music video by Adam Lambert

  • (HD) Making of “Time for miracles” music video – 3 minutes

  • (HD) BD previews – Michael Jackson’s This is it, Close encounters of the third kind, By the people: The election of Barack Obama, Breaking bad

  • Disc 3:


  • Digital Copy of 2012
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Final Thoughts:

2012 isn’t best picture material but it makes for a reasonably entertaining, special effects laden affair that is exactly what you would expect from filmmaker Roland Emmerich. I went in with low expectations and came away enjoying it more than expected. Its high definition presentation on Blu-ray Disc from Sony makes for a demonstration worthy home theater extravaganza that enthusiasts are sure to appreciate. It comes bundled with an array of bonus supplements designed to enhance the Blu-ray experience while providing a fairly comprehensive look behind the scenes at the film’s production. I found the film enjoyable enough to warrant a rental recommendation however based upon its top notch high definition audio/video quality 2012 deserves further consideration. I have added it to my Blu-ray library and suspect that after experiencing it in your theater room you will as well.









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Ralph Potts
AVS Forum Blu-ray Reviews





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post #2 of 87
Thanks for the review Ralph I am more excited to hear this one after your review. Some early word of mouth was talking about a weak low end which would be a big disappointment for a movie like this, but glad to see you did not find that to be the case. Looking forward to this more now!
post #3 of 87
I saw 2012 in the theater. I thought it was totally over the top, but a lot of fun. I plan on buying the BD next week.
post #4 of 87
Great review, Ralph. Love this flick, can't wait 'til next week.
post #5 of 87
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Thanks for the review Ralph I am more excited to hear this one after your review. Some early word of mouth was talking about a weak low end which would be a big disappointment for a movie like this, but glad to see you did not find that to be the case. Looking forward to this more now!

Greetings,

Todd, I wouldn't describe this as having an aggressively mixed or hot low frequency effects channel. There is a variety of bass contained within the mix and it runs the gamut. Describing it as weak never crossed my mind.

Cheers,
post #6 of 87
It should be noted that the "alternate ending" is the actual theatrical ending. The ending in the film on BD is apparantly slightly different.
post #7 of 87
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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

Todd, I wouldn't describe this as having an aggressively mixed or hot low frequency effects channel. There is a variety of bass contained within the mix and it runs the gamut. Describing it as weak never crossed my mind.

Cheers,

That is good to hear. Looking forward to hearing this one
post #8 of 87
Thanks for another excellent review Ralph. I didn't think this was a movie that I wanted to see, as monsters & aliens are better suited to my tastes of how to see the world end (Godzilla & Independence Day) than a Mayan prophecy. But I'll definitely give this a rent next week and see if I want to purchase ... sounds like it will be great in hi-def video and sound.
post #9 of 87
I'll buy it when it reaches 5 pound. It'll be a while but hey.
post #10 of 87
I will add this to my arsenal ...thanks King Potts ~
post #11 of 87
Sounds like a fun flic. Check your mind at the door and pass the popcorn.
post #12 of 87
Found this movie to be entertaining as far as the special effects part. Not so much on the story part because i thought certain scenes were just too fake! I mean the Limousine part not crashing? Yeah totally fake.

But again the special effects i thought was great. Good thing this movie has a high score otherwise i'd would've just rented it.

Collect!

Cheers
post #13 of 87
A blind, or now, not so blind buy for me...an over the top disaster flick on blu with a rating of 94!! ...I am so there. Thanks for the great review!.
post #14 of 87
It's one of the worst films I saw in theatres last year. There is not an ounce of intensity to the scenes. The CG effects are transparent, and never provide a convincing sense of danger.

Are we recommending films now just because they have good audio mixes and PQ? That's a pretty low standard if you ask me. Most releases are well shot and mixed these days. Big deal. It doesn't make the films good.

I couldn't recommend this to anyone with a straight face.
post #15 of 87
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Originally Posted by Indiephantom View Post

It's one of the worst films I saw in theatres last year. There is not an ounce of intensity to the scenes. The CG effects are transparent, and never provide a convincing sense of danger.

Are we recommending films now just because they have good audio mixes and PQ? That's a pretty low standard if you ask me. Most releases are well shot and mixed these days. Big deal. It doesn't make the films good.

I couldn't recommend this to anyone with a straight face.

Greetings,

Welcome to AVS Indiephantom.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the 2012. Regarding your comments on the film itself I appreciate your opinion but remmember it is just that. Whether a film has merit is purely subjective as experienced by each individual. If you read my comments on the film itself you would know that the rating the film received isn't based upon its technical aspects although I would agree that in this case they probably make it more palatable.


Regards,
post #16 of 87
Looking forward in watching this soon Ralph. Thanks for the review
post #17 of 87
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Originally Posted by Indiephantom View Post

Are we recommending films now just because they have good audio mixes and PQ? That's a pretty low standard if you ask me.

Can you say Avatar?
post #18 of 87
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indiephantom View Post

It's one of the worst films I saw in theatres last year. There is not an ounce of intensity to the scenes. The CG effects are transparent, and never provide a convincing sense of danger.

Are we recommending films now just because they have good audio mixes and PQ? That's a pretty low standard if you ask me. Most releases are well shot and mixed these days. Big deal. It doesn't make the films good.

I couldn't recommend this to anyone with a straight face.

Definitley story first could not agree more, but also many appreciate the PQ and AQ in a movie too. We want to experince as close as we can get to the cinema experince watching the movie. If you dont care for it your certainly at the wrong forum.
post #19 of 87
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Originally Posted by Chewbacco View Post

Can you say Avatar?

U mean `JAmes Cameron give Pocohontas a sci-fi twist'! I was shocked at how much of a ripoff Avatar is after watching pocohontas with my 8 yr old last Saturday!


BACK to 2012:Weird thing is is that some on the Master List of Movies with bass thread say the LFE/bass is very weak and a big disappointment...

thoughts Ralph?
post #20 of 87
I thought this was one of the worst "epic/disaster" movies I have ever seen. It had some cool scenes no doubt (yellowstone eruption) but the last hour was so ridiculous and over the top that I actually contemplated leaving the theater before the movie was over.

If the SQ and PQ are that good though it's probably worth a rental just to see a couple of neat scenes.
post #21 of 87
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Definitley story first could not agree more, but also many appreciate the PQ and AQ in a movie too. We want to experince as close as we can get to the cinema experince watching the movie. If you dont care for it your certainly at the wrong forum.

It is much easier to appreciate the PQ and AQ in a movie more so when it is a rental instead of buying a story you wish you hadn't!

It's in my queue and I'll get to it down the road.
post #22 of 87
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Originally Posted by Indiephantom View Post

It's one of the worst films I saw in theatres last year. There is not an ounce of intensity to the scenes. The CG effects are transparent, and never provide a convincing sense of danger.

Are we recommending films now just because they have good audio mixes and PQ? That's a pretty low standard if you ask me. Most releases are well shot and mixed these days. Big deal. It doesn't make the films good.

I couldn't recommend this to anyone with a straight face.

why create a profile just to write that. isnt it just an opinion of the reviewer. Ralph so far to me has been one of the more reputable reviewers, and PQ/AQ are huge things to bring up regarding BD. There is a reason I bought a huge plasma and very expensive HT sound system.. keep up the good work ralph. And whoever wrote the avatar comment, I completly agree.. sorry for any misspellings..
post #23 of 87
Thanks for the great review- I'm looking forward to renting this to see if it is worth owning. Lately rental copies of BD are different in content. But I won't spend money on every film that comes out. Disk 2 looks like it might be worth buying though and I probably won't see that since Rentals no longer offer the second disks.
post #24 of 87
Thanks Ralph. Great review, and I've just added it to my Netflix queue. As for Avatar...loved it, and the 3D provided an entirely new level of theater viewing experience. I'd definitely pay to see it again, but next time at an IMAX theater.
post #25 of 87
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Originally Posted by SbWillie View Post

U mean `JAmes Cameron give Pocohontas a sci-fi twist'! I was shocked at how much of a ripoff Avatar is after watching pocohontas with my 8 yr old last Saturday!


BACK to 2012:Weird thing is is that some on the Master List of Movies with bass thread say the LFE/bass is very weak and a big disappointment...

thoughts Ralph?

Greetings,

This is an active surround mix that really makes frequent use of entire system. Bass response isn't a problem however those expecting the consistently ultra deep bass similar to "Cloverfield" or "Transporter 3" are going to be disappointed. As I watched during my evaluation I didn't feel as though bass response was lacking however I went back and watched several sequences (such as the beginning of chapter 6) and felt that the LFE channel could have been mixed a little hotter.

I adjusted my rating accordingly however my overall perspective on this audio presentation as a whole hasn't changed. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.


Regards,
post #26 of 87
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Originally Posted by SbWillie View Post



BACK to 2012:Weird thing is is that some on the Master List of Movies with bass thread say the LFE/bass is very weak and a big disappointment...

thoughts Ralph?


That is why I asked. Some other reviews around the web have mentioned this as well such as the HDD review. Still sounds like a great track, but certainly NOT the next big LFE film for bass heads which is disappointing because in my mind it should have been.

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Originally Posted by Ralph Potts View Post

Greetings,

This is an active surround mix that really makes frequent use of entire system. Bass response isn't a problem however those expecting the consistently ultra deep bass similar to "Cloverfield" or "Transporter 3" are going to be disappointed. As I watched during my evaluation I didn't feel as though bass response was lacking however I went back and watched several sequences (such as the beginning of chapter 6) and felt that the LFE channel could have been mixed a little hotter.

I adjusted my rating accordingly however my overall perspective on this audio presentation as a whole hasn't changed. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.


Regards,

Thanks for the update Ralph. I think bass heads are disappointed by this since a lot of us expected this to be the next Cloverfield, The Incredible Hulk, etc........ considering the film. Like I said though, I am sure it is still a fantastic track overall and I am still looking forward to hearing it I am glad that my LFE expectations have been brought down to a realistic level before watching though which will help whatever disappointment I might have in that area.
post #27 of 87
Thanks again for the great reviews Ralph. Regardless if I didn't see it in theater, I'll definately give it a rental. For me, a science-fiction film is a science-fiction film and we know at first this could be totaly unbelievable. So, in this condition, I'm just sitting back on enjoy PQ and AQ which is the reason why we are building home-theater, isn't it?
post #28 of 87
This film was a conundrum to me.

On the one hand the special effects were outrageous in their scope. On the other hand the story line was deeply contrived in a "disney childrens movie" like fashion. I don't think I've seen anyone nearly get killed so many times (in spectacular like fashion) without actually getting even a scratch, except maybe on the cartoon network.

It was so hard to figure out who the target audience was, because it could not be taken seriously to even the slightest degree, yet some of the thematics were serious/adult in nature.

Anyway, I was able to at least partially disengage; laugh at the stupidness of it; and enjoy the over-the-top special effects.

At the end, I couldn't help but wonder how good it could have been if the movie had actually been made for adults with a more mature/serious story line. I really couldn't watch it again, even though it was so full of A+ blockbuster eye-candy.
post #29 of 87
Roland Emmerich:

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A general consensus amongst critics is that Emmerich's films rely too heavily on visual effects, and suffer from cliché dialogue, flimsy and formulaic narrative, scientific and historical inaccuracies, illogical plot development, and lack of character depth. Emmerich contends that he isn't discouraged by such negative criticism, and that he aims to provide enjoyable "popcorn" entertainment to movie-going audiences. Stating that he's "a filmmaker, not a scientist", he creates his own fiction based on actual science or history to make the messages he sends "more exciting".

Asking Roland Emmerich to do anything other than what he does is like asking a zebra to shed its stripes. His popcorn flicks have a lot in common with Michael Bay movies. I saw this in an IMAX theater and plan to get the Blu-ray. It isn't Shakespeare but we know that when we ante up. He's been quoted stating that this was his last disaster movie.

By the way, Emmerich's next movie has to do with Shakespeare and is titled Anonymous.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1521197/

Update: Sold my copy on eBay, a second viewing made all of the terrible things wrong with this movie more apparent. If you must watch, then rent, you've been warned.
post #30 of 87
[quote=Quidam67;18219624]This film was a conundrum to me.

On the one hand the special effects were outrageous in their scope. On the other hand the story line was deeply contrived in a "disney childrens movie" like fashion. I don't think I've seen anyone nearly get killed so many times (in spectacular like fashion) without actually getting even a scratch, except maybe on the cartoon network.

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Quidam67 - This statement captures my feelings exactly about how I felt watching this film. It was full of too many near misses, which in my opinion took away the suspense of the disaster scenes. I really wanted to like 2012, but I couldn't fully engage. I will eventually try watching it again on blu-ray, and hopefully my experience will be more enjoyable the second time around!
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