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post #2101 of 4421
Hi all, looking to make my first HDTV purchase. I've put this in the choose an LCD thread, but I'm in no way restricting myself to LCDs.

Budget ~$650-$700. If a really killer deal came around for 750-800, I would consider it, but it'd have to be pretty incredible.

Seating distance ~7ft. I also like to watch from my computer desk, which is ~12ft away.

Size/placement limitations In principle, none. I feel like 40" is too small, but I think that going larger than 46"-47" would be tremendous overkill for the room.

Uses and sources - Xbox 360, whatever the HD set top box Verizon will provide for FiOS, a blu-ray player at some point, perhaps some RCA legacy stuff (PS2, etc.).

The TV will probably be used 70/30 TV+movies/gaming (SSF4, Rock Band). I'm probably not good enough to notice input lag in SSF4 but I can sniff out input lag in Rock Band/GH easily. I know the rhythm games have built-in calibrations, but I think we can all agree it'd be better for those corrections to be minimal.

Room lighting - moderate? The entire south wall of my living room is a sliding glass door, but it's well covered by drapes. I don't like watching TV or movies in total darkness (I know, I suck) so it's likely at least one incandescent light's gonna be on. That bias lighting stuff linked to in the first post is neato, though.

TVs I've considered so far:

-Sony 46EX500 - I suppose this would need to fall in price (I'd be happy paying 650-700 for it, not 800-900 though). Loved the look of this TV in stores. As I mentioned above I don't think a 40" would be enough.

-LG 47LD520 - The price is right. I'm sure I've seen it in stores, but I don't remember much about it

-Any number of Vizio TVs, as they seem to offer really great features at a good price, e.g. M470NV, E470VA, M420VT, SV422XVT. I've got concerns about the input lag, though.

-Panasonic TC-P(42|46)(G|GT)25 - Wrong forum, I know, please forgive me! Just wanted to mention the 42" GT25 has managed to sink into my price range and is an appealing option on the table for me.
post #2102 of 4421
krs,

Seems like you are very on top of things.

Moving up to 46 or 47 from 40" is a significant step. And I agree that you should avoid going with 40" in your dual position set up...you will definitely appreciate the extra screen size.

The LG 47LD520 is a great choice. The Sony EX500 may be a bit better, but the LG has its own strong points. Dont sweat it.

The LG LD520 will have significantly better PQ than the lower cost Vizios.
post #2103 of 4421
Need some suggestions on buying a new TV as my 10yr old Philips CRT is dying pretty fast

Budget: approx. $2K - 2.5K

Size: 55 inches

Viewing Distance: 9-10ft

Features: 3D capable would be nice, internet capable

Uses: General mix of Movies, sports, blu-ray, Xbox

Viewing Environment: Not much direct sunlight and light can be controlled. We do have light sources (table lamps) which would be in front of TV but those can be managed.

Looking for best picture quality and my son is interest in a TV that works well with his Xbox.

Just don't know if its worth waiting for new TVs which will be coming out in the next few months.

Thanks
post #2104 of 4421
Hi EV, thanks for the advice. I'm definitely going to take another look at the 47LD520 ASAP. A few questions if you've got a sec:

-Is the 47LD520 subject to the same panel lottery as the 42LD450, or are the 47" panels IPS exclusively?

-The last Vizio I mention (SV422XVT) is making waves on slickdeals at the moment. Seems like a very feature-rich television for a low price. Can you comment on the downsides to it?

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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

krs,

Seems like you are very on top of things.

Moving up to 46 or 47 from 40" is a significant step. And I agree that you should avoid going with 40" in your dual position set up...you will definitely appreciate the extra screen size.

The LG 47LD520 is a great choice. The Sony EX500 may be a bit better, but the LG has its own strong points. Dont sweat it.

The LG LD520 will have significantly better PQ than the lower cost Vizios.
post #2105 of 4421
Hi guys, nice thread.

I've been looking into getting a 40 or 42 inch LCD for around $500 to $650. I've been looking into these 2 sets.

LG42LD520 http://www.amazon.com/LG-42LD520-42-...120532&sr=1-13

Panasonic TC-L42U25 http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L...5121284&sr=1-1

The LG goes on sale for $550 sometimes.

Also I'll throw this into the mix as well

Samsung LN40C670 http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-ln40...219385085.html

Its went on sale to $510 a couple days ago.

I want 120Hz because I heard they are made with better panels than the 60Hz models. I dont have personal experience with the difference between 60/120/240Hz in terms of fast moving images.

I will be using the TV for mostly watching Tv (sports) and blue ray movies on PS3. Any help is appreciated.
post #2106 of 4421
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Originally Posted by chiburger View Post

Hi all,

I'm looking to replace my old Panasonic PT-501C14 since the bulb is starting to act up. Went to my local warehouse store and they have the LG 42LE5350 and Panasonic TC-42LD24 in the same price range. Which is a better TV? I use the TV mostly to watch sports, movies, and play video games.

Thanks in advance,
chiburger

I was in the exact same position as you between the two models. While at the warehouse, I can see the LG 42LE5350 was a bit sharper than the Panny but the speci of the two look to be very closed. Did a lot of web search and finally went back on Thursday and got the LG which is a true 120Hz. (on one of the Amazon review/report that the Pan TC-42LD24 is not a true 120Hz TV and I loved to watch sports so I went with the LG for $30 more! So I have this TV for 3 days now... watched a bunch of movies on Direct TV HD, Bluray, DVD and now I m watching the Steelers Ravens game now and I am very happy with the selection! Hope this helps!
post #2107 of 4421
Opinions on the best 55in TV on the market?
post #2108 of 4421
I've been reading this forum for a while and I hope that one or more of you can provide some advice. I'm trying to decide between an LG 37LD450 (S-IPS panel) and a Sony Bravia 40EX400. This is for our eat-in kitchen, where our 3 young kids occasionally watch TV and my wife and I watch some TV when we're cooking. Thus, sometimes we'll be watching from 12-14 feet away from the set. We have a Sony 55EX500 downstairs in our family room.

I've had both of the TVs at our house, and 37" is really the ideal size for the wall where we're going to mount the TV. If Sony made a 37" Bravia in that same price range we would get it. The 40" Sony takes up just about all the space on the wall and is also thicker than the LG, which is a slight bummer.

We haven't yet gotten our HD cable boxes installed (we're using regular digital cable until next week when the FIOS guy can bring us the HD boxes). Using a non-HD digital signal and also using our Sony BD570 Blu Ray player, the Sony's picture seems sharper and brighter (using calibration settings posted on these forums). The Sony is a little more than $100 more than the LG.

My questions boil down to these:

- Given the option, is there any big advantage to having the same brand of TV (Sony) in the kitchen as in the basement (we also have the Sony Blu-Ray player)? Interchangeable remotes, etc? Or does that not really matter very much?

- Is the LG "good enough" that we won't really notice the picture quality once the two TVs are no longer sitting side by side? We're not videophiles, and I'm quite new to this whole HD thing, but I was a little disappointed by the Blu-Ray appearance on the LG (and neither the LD450 nor the EX400 looked anywhere near as good as our bigger EX500). Didn't have that "popping out at you" or hyper-reality feeling.

- Should we aim to get the better TV (which I think means the Sony) or the better fit for the space (which is the LG)? More to the point, is the Sony that much better than the LG (picture quality and sound) in your eyes (and ears)? We probably won't be doing any gaming on this TV, and it'll be mounted on a wall where I can't easily use it as a computer monitor. So it'll mostly be for TV and DVDs/ Blu-Rays.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback you can provide. Thanks in advance.
post #2109 of 4421
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Originally Posted by killedradiostar View Post

Hi EV, thanks for the advice. I'm definitely going to take another look at the 47LD520 ASAP. A few questions if you've got a sec:

-Is the 47LD520 subject to the same panel lottery as the 42LD450, or are the 47" panels IPS exclusively?

-The last Vizio I mention (SV422XVT) is making waves on slickdeals at the moment. Seems like a very feature-rich television for a low price. Can you comment on the downsides to it?

I believe the 47" panels avoid the panel lottery, for the most part, but I would double check when I buy, just to make sure.

Yes the SV422XVT is very nice for the sale price.
post #2110 of 4421
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Originally Posted by mclebron23 View Post

Hi guys, nice thread.

I've been looking into getting a 40 or 42 inch LCD for around $500 to $650. I've been looking into these 2 sets.

LG42LD520 http://www.amazon.com/LG-42LD520-42-...120532&sr=1-13

Panasonic TC-L42U25 http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-L...5121284&sr=1-1

The LG goes on sale for $550 sometimes.

Also I'll throw this into the mix as well

Samsung LN40C670 http://www.buy.com/prod/samsung-ln40...219385085.html

Its went on sale to $510 a couple days ago.

I want 120Hz because I heard they are made with better panels than the 60Hz models. I dont have personal experience with the difference between 60/120/240Hz in terms of fast moving images.

I will be using the TV for mostly watching Tv (sports) and blue ray movies on PS3. Any help is appreciated.

120Hz panels will help with maintaining resolution due to motion blur on fast moving images and is very useful for sports fans.

Those are all great sets.

The Samsung will give you the best PQ of the 3. However the others are pretty good too.

The LG would be my second pick, but make sure you get an IPS panel. Great vieiwing angles and you get a couple more inches of screen to view.
post #2111 of 4421
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Originally Posted by PhillyBen View Post

I've been reading this forum for a while and I hope that one or more of you can provide some advice. I'm trying to decide between an LG 37LD450 (S-IPS panel) and a Sony Bravia 40EX400. This is for our eat-in kitchen, where our 3 young kids occasionally watch TV and my wife and I watch some TV when we're cooking. Thus, sometimes we'll be watching from 12-14 feet away from the set. We have a Sony 55EX500 downstairs in our family room.

I've had both of the TVs at our house, and 37" is really the ideal size for the wall where we're going to mount the TV. If Sony made a 37" Bravia in that same price range we would get it. The 40" Sony takes up just about all the space on the wall and is also thicker than the LG, which is a slight bummer.

We haven't yet gotten our HD cable boxes installed (we're using regular digital cable until next week when the FIOS guy can bring us the HD boxes). Using a non-HD digital signal and also using our Sony BD570 Blu Ray player, the Sony's picture seems sharper and brighter (using calibration settings posted on these forums). The Sony is a little more than $100 more than the LG.

My questions boil down to these:

- Given the option, is there any big advantage to having the same brand of TV (Sony) in the kitchen as in the basement (we also have the Sony Blu-Ray player)? Interchangeable remotes, etc? Or does that not really matter very much?

- Is the LG "good enough" that we won't really notice the picture quality once the two TVs are no longer sitting side by side? We're not videophiles, and I'm quite new to this whole HD thing, but I was a little disappointed by the Blu-Ray appearance on the LG (and neither the LD450 nor the EX400 looked anywhere near as good as our bigger EX500). Didn't have that "popping out at you" or hyper-reality feeling.

- Should we aim to get the better TV (which I think means the Sony) or the better fit for the space (which is the LG)? More to the point, is the Sony that much better than the LG (picture quality and sound) in your eyes (and ears)? We probably won't be doing any gaming on this TV, and it'll be mounted on a wall where I can't easily use it as a computer monitor. So it'll mostly be for TV and DVDs/ Blu-Rays.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback you can provide. Thanks in advance.

Please be advised that both those sets have panle lotteries. The S-IPS panel is more desirable in the LG and the S-PVA panel is more desireable in the Sony than the AuO panel.

If any SD is displayed on this TV, then the Sony will do a much better job with upscaling and deinterlacing it. However if the only SD is going to be DVD player fed, and you have a decent upscaling deinterlacing DVD player then dont sweat it.

Not too much advantage in staying with the same maker.

Given your communication, I would go for the 37" LG which fits your space better.
post #2112 of 4421
Thank you for the quick response, Escape Velocity.

Do you happen to know what label/ model # on the Sony indicates whether it has a S-PVA screen?

On the LG, I read that it was "W" that indicated S-IPS (CUSWLH). Is there some comparable thing for the Sony?
post #2113 of 4421
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

007,

Those are 2 GREAT choices.

I would favor the Sony EX500 over the C630 for video gaming and computer monitor usage. The Samsung C630 has slightly better PQ than the Sony, but the Sony is also Top Notch in the marketplace.

Samsung has better functionality on the USB port than the Sony, but the Sony has decent functionality. Also an Ethernet input which the Sony does not have...although no integrated WiFi nor Internet Apps...neither does the Sony.

Samsung has a backlit remote, which I like better than Sony's non backlit remote.

Samsung has more aesthetically pleasing menu system than the Sony, but the Sony is functional.

Samsung has more advanced tools for tweaking the picture, however the Sony has plenty.

Sony has better Audio Quality.

Sony's side inputs are on the Left, facing the screen. Samsungs on the Right.

Both have excellent video processing and scaling of Standard Definition signals.

I appreciate the great post. More than I expected to get back but absolutely helpful! I greatly appreciate your feedback and will highly consider the points you pointed out when making my decision.
post #2114 of 4421
1. Budget $600
2. Seating distance 5-10 feet
3. Size/placement limitations 32-40"
4. Uses and sources Xbox 360, PS3, Media PC via HDMI
5. Room lighting Mostly dark.

Ok so I've been looking at Samsung mostly because I don't know of other more trustworthy brands. I'm concerned with the set having noticeable input lag. I was considering an LN40C550 but asking on the forums I'm told that model has a lot. I'd like a 32" 1080p set, but all the panels in this range seem way over priced and a 40" seems to be a better deal for the money. Can anyone make a suggestion?

After some more shopping I've found these 2 models for under $500 which is much better than the $650 for the Samsung 32"
Can anyone tell me if there's major problems with these?
Panasonic TC-L32U22
Panasonic TC-L37U22
post #2115 of 4421
1. Budget: $700 - $1200
2. Seating distance: 10 ft.
3. Size/placement limitations: 42" - 47"
4. Uses and sources: HD Cable, Xbox 360, Blu-ray, Mac mini, Wii
5. Room lighting: Usually dimly lit. Only one set of windows which have little sunlight during the day.

Upcoming tax refund means new TV. I've decided on LCD over plasma for the weight/depth and energy use benefits. As I've been using Sony and Samsung CRT HDTV's for the past 4 years, I'm spoiled when it comes to PQ and black levels. That being the case, I'm looking for a LED LCD with local dimming. All suggestions are welcome and appreciated!
post #2116 of 4421
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhillyBen View Post

Thank you for the quick response, Escape Velocity.

Do you happen to know what label/ model # on the Sony indicates whether it has a S-PVA screen?

On the LG, I read that it was "W" that indicated S-IPS (CUSWLH). Is there some comparable thing for the Sony?


Im afraid I dont. But there might be something in the EX500 thread.
post #2117 of 4421
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Is there any model line from LG that guarantees an IPS panel?

thx

bob

EV?

thx

bob
post #2118 of 4421
Quote:
Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

EV?

thx

bob

Im not sure bob. Perhaps the 8500 and 9500 and LHX55.

Usually the larger the panel the more likely to get an S-IPS panel, partly because its a larger panel and partly because they sell less of the larger panelled TVs so they dont have to scramble for panels later on in the year with extra production runs.

Apparently people have a lot of luck with the 47" size with getting IPS panels. A lot of others maker do the 46" panel size.

Pretty aggravating isnt it?
post #2119 of 4421
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anodyne View Post

1. Budget: $700 - $1200
2. Seating distance: 10 ft.
3. Size/placement limitations: 42" - 47"
4. Uses and sources: HD Cable, Xbox 360, Blu-ray, Mac mini, Wii
5. Room lighting: Usually dimly lit. Only one set of windows which have little sunlight during the day.

Upcoming tax refund means new TV. I've decided on LCD over plasma for the weight/depth and energy use benefits. As I've been using Sony and Samsung CRT HDTV's for the past 4 years, I'm spoiled when it comes to PQ and black levels. That being the case, I'm looking for a LED LCD with local dimming. All suggestions are welcome and appreciated!

Vizio XVT473SV

also the Vizio XVT423SV is on sale right now at dell.
post #2120 of 4421
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuragari View Post

1. Budget $600
2. Seating distance 5-10 feet
3. Size/placement limitations 32-40"
4. Uses and sources Xbox 360, PS3, Media PC via HDMI
5. Room lighting Mostly dark.

Ok so I've been looking at Samsung mostly because I don't know of other more trustworthy brands. I'm concerned with the set having noticeable input lag. I was considering an LN40C550 but asking on the forums I'm told that model has a lot. I'd like a 32" 1080p set, but all the panels in this range seem way over priced and a 40" seems to be a better deal for the money. Can anyone make a suggestion?

After some more shopping I've found these 2 models for under $500 which is much better than the $650 for the Samsung 32"
Can anyone tell me if there's major problems with these?
Panasonic TC-L32U22
Panasonic TC-L37U22

Those Panasonics are great. Guaranteed IPS-Alpha panels. Work great with video games and as computer monitors, while providing pretty good video Picture Quality.
post #2121 of 4421
1. Budget - about $2000 to $2400
2. Seating distance - 10-12 feet
3. Size/placement limitations - 52" or 55"
4. Uses and sources - Mostly HD cable, Blu-Ray and PS3
5. Room lighting - In a room with a large sliding glass door facing south.

I've more or less decided on getting a higher-end Sony 52-55", 3D ready, preferably with 240hz. I think the sets that would fit this bill considering features and possible price between now and the Super Bowl would be the 55HX800, 55NX810, and 52HX909.

My question is, which of these sets do you get the most for your money? Do the differences in PQ and features justify the price differences? Any other sets I should look at?
post #2122 of 4421
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuragari View Post

1. Budget $600
2. Seating distance 5-10 feet
3. Size/placement limitations 32-40"
4. Uses and sources Xbox 360, PS3, Media PC via HDMI
5. Room lighting Mostly dark.

Ok so I've been looking at Samsung mostly because I don't know of other more trustworthy brands. I'm concerned with the set having noticeable input lag. I was considering an LN40C550 but asking on the forums I'm told that model has a lot. I'd like a 32" 1080p set, but all the panels in this range seem way over priced and a 40" seems to be a better deal for the money. Can anyone make a suggestion?

After some more shopping I've found these 2 models for under $500 which is much better than the $650 for the Samsung 32"
Can anyone tell me if there's major problems with these?
Panasonic TC-L32U22
Panasonic TC-L37U22

Just look at the reply Velocity gave to my post. We're both around the same price range and both are using it for the same kinds of things.

If you're worried about input lag, dont expect any TV to have good input lag especially if you get a 40+ inch. If you play FPS games, it will be terrible. Unless you play very slow moving games like RPGs or just single player campaigns then you might be Ok.

I would suggest to get a Monitor for gaming. I recommend the Acer H243H. I have it, and it has very good reviews and input lag tested on digitalversus.
post #2123 of 4421
Apparently the Samsung C630 is also suffering from the panel lottery, subbing an AuO MVA panel for the Samsung S-PVA panel, just like the Sony EX400 and EX500.
post #2124 of 4421
Quote:
Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Im not sure bob. Perhaps the 8500 and 9500 and LHX55.

Usually the larger the panel the more likely to get an S-IPS panel, partly because its a larger panel and partly because they sell less of the larger panelled TVs so they dont have to scramble for panels later on in the year with extra production runs.

Apparently people have a lot of luck with the 47" size with getting IPS panels. A lot of others maker do the 46" panel size.

Pretty aggravating isnt it?

Yes, aggravating. It's for my parents and i don't want to play the lottery for them

Does the "W" ID transform all LG models?


bob
post #2125 of 4421
Hi, everyone. I thank you for your help in advance.

I recently purchased a Samsung LED tv (UN55C6900) from the big box store that has the same initials as "big box"

The tv is awesome, except it sucks for games in the following manner:

1) I can have 120hz going and have what I think is an awesome picture for games, but with horrible input lag and screen tearing

2) Or I can use game mode, which has acceptable input lag, but no motion smoothing so I get the same kind of motion blur I have on my 4 year old Mitsubishi 60hz lcd

I want to stick with the same vendor as I have 36 month 0% interest - which is the only way I could afford the set - so hoping anyone who has the knowledge to help me is able to recommend something from their selection.

** I don't care if it's LED or CCFL (regular LCD), just as long as it does what I want **

I have been looking at Sharp's lc60le810un, but on the thread for that tv set it seems that calibrating the color is a huge pain and it has a lot of other issues I don't want to put up with. I have read, however, that Sharp offers the best LCD for gaming in terms of pixel response and input lag. *EDIT* As a side note, the sales guys @ BB begged me NOT to buy the Sharp, they say it has judder problems and horrible color/skin tones etc...

So, here's what I'm looking for and I really hope someone can help. You have my deep appreciation!

1) Prefer 55" - would consider anything as small as 46"
2) I want the "soap opera" effect for games <- I think that's what people are calling it on here - super focused, very little motion blur, and without clipping/tearing

I guess response time & input lag are my two main factors. Of course I want a beautiful picture, but I use my tv for games approx 2-3 hours a day, 3 or 4 days a week, and so that is my main priority.

I apologize in advance if this has been discussed. I've been on various threads all day long and don't have the energy to read every possible post on every tv - so hoping someone with prior knowledge can just enlighten me.

Thanks a million!
post #2126 of 4421
Gringo, you are going to have to choose between low input lag + motion blur and frame interpolation. You cant have both.

That being said, Samsungs have some of the highest levels of video processing, which is why they have some of the best Picture Quality, there frame interpolation is regarded as the best in the industry. And the higher the level of video processing the more input lag you are going to have.


You are going to have to make a trade off, Picture Quality for Video Gaming Experience. You cant have everything.

I would try Sharp 78UN and Sony EX500. But you are going to have to try them out yourself to see if they offer a better/acceptable balance between the areas you are complaining about. Most people go with Game Mode. The Sharp would probably be your best bet, as to getting a good balance for you. The Sony has more video processing prowess than it.
post #2127 of 4421
Gringo, given your requirements you may want to consider plasma. Plasma doesn't need motion enhancement to get that smooth look with gaming (assuming the game is 60fps, most aren't) even in game mode you will get top quality motion performance. Though screen tearing will still be an issue since that is caused by disabling V-Sync in a games code. (the options menu of some games lets you toggle it, but most don't) The TV has nothing to do with this. Input lag is also considerably lower for the most part with plasma. (A Samsung plasma will have less lag in movie mode than a Sammy LCD in game mode) Then there is the fact that you get considerably more screen at the same pricepoint.

If you must buy now then I would recommend the 58c550 plasma for it's bang for your buck performance, if you can wait, then the 59d550 coming in a few months will be bigger and better at roughly the same price.

You can keep trying to find an LCD if you want, but given that your HDTV requirements are so close to mine, Plasma is probably your best bet.
post #2128 of 4421
Velocity, thanks for the help.

Just one more thing. Is there any 42 inch plasmas you recommend in the $600 range? I'm still a little worried about burn in but I heard they fixed it for the most part nowadays. Thanks.
post #2129 of 4421
Im not up on the latest Plasma. You should ask the kindly knowledgable folks in the Plasma Forum.
post #2130 of 4421
Thank you guys for taking the time to reply with your suggestions.

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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post
Gringo, you are going to have to choose between low input lag + motion blur and frame interpolation. You cant have both.
The reason I'm being so picky is that I have a friend who about 4 years go bought a 60" Sony SXRD RPTV. While it has the obvious drawbacks of projection screens (viewing angle, bigger box), it has the look I like (120hz kind of look where everything is in focus) and no lag (that I can notice).

I figured a 2k led would be able to do something close to that.

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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post
Gringo, given your requirements you may want to consider plasma.
I had thought about plasma, but didn't go that route b/c the panny I was looking at (something or other g20) had neg reviews about the power supplies going out and the 2009 models losing their black levels. Plus, although the salesman assured me it was no longer an issue, I read people saying they were still getting bad IR (burn in) on their plasmas. I also read that plasmas also have input lag... true?

DLP projection tv's for gaming?

So, at the end of the day, now I'm wondering about DLP (mitsubishi?) RPTV - from what Mits says in their materials, they have faster response times than other technologies - but I wonder about input lag. I also read the bulb replacements are only like $99 now and are needed every 3-5 years, so I'm not concerned about that.

Any thoughts on DLP for gaming? Input lag? Response time? Any drawbacks? Thanks!!
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