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post #3751 of 5136
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Originally Posted by vinhsynd View Post

Wingnut4773
A clearly better set does not exist yet be it plasma or LCD. However, the Sharp Elites do come the closest in the LCD side of things.
Why do you want to change from a plasma to an LCD? Most people contemplate changing from the Kuro to another plasma like the 65" VT50 if they want a larger set.

I was just interested in a considerably larger set. I wouldn't do it for just a 5 inch difference.
post #3752 of 5136
vinhsynd

I'm pretty sure ES8000 is hardly worth the extra money over the ES7000. But I'm still confused about pure picture quallity of ES7000 vs ES6xxx, and likewise for LG LM660 / 670 / 669 / 620.

Fx. 660 and 670 get quite different remarks on avforum, even though most people say 660/670/669 should only have a difference in the panel:

660 review on avforums.com
670 review on avforums.com
post #3753 of 5136
Pallenda

The difference between the ES7000 and ES6000 relates to glossy screen vs semi matte screen - some people say they glossy screen gives better contrast in dark viewing environments.
In an uncalibrated state (I've not seen them both calibrated) I can't tell a difference.

After reading both of those LG reviews they seem pretty similar - both the 660 and 670 have issues with 50hz content and 1080p24 content.
The difference is for the reviewers is that at the price point of the 660 vs the 670 these flaws are almost forgivable.

Where I live LG does not have a 660 and 670 - they do however have a 7600 and 6700 which I think map to the sets you are comparing.
I've looked over the owner's threads between these two sets and people seem to be generally happy with either one but broadcasts here are 60hz so that might explain some of the discrepancy.
post #3754 of 5136
So here is my dilemma... I had a 55" es7500 which I exchanged plus some cash back for a 60" e6500 plasma (due to some major major clouding and flash lighting on the set). Returning the e6500 now because of the "samsung buzz" and I'm not a fan of how much darker the picture is and colors not being quite so vivid. So, do I go back to a 55" ES7500 or a 60" 6500 ? Thoughts from those who own the 6500 ? Which is less prone to flashlighting/clouding ??

Thank you in advance for any support/advice.
post #3755 of 5136
Anyone?
post #3756 of 5136
vinhsynd

So the ES6xxxx series has a more matte screen?

If the 660 and 670 are practically the same, then I don't get it why they difference in black levels, greyscale/color calibrated. So either LG is very inconsistent with their panels, or the person reviewing these two models made a mistake, or there is just a difference between 42" and 47". Either way, its confusing to me.

About the "issues with 50hz content and 1080p24 content", that is the #1 reason I haven't just ordered the LG LM660/669/670 yet. The 760 is a bit too much extra I think for 200 mci. I'm not really sure what this 50hz / 1080p24 issue means and if it even will affects me. I'll get tv signal in PAL so I guess that will mean i'm affected, but I don't understand why that would happen to be an issue since if its a 100 Hz TV it should be very easy to handle that. Some post say the 50Hz / 1024p24 issues are serious mistakes that LG should never have let the TV been released with.

Its really annoying that buying a TV is this difficult to get right. I was leaning to the LG because it should be good panels, and unlike Samsung its IPS which I kinda like on my HP PC monitor. I am not sure I feel like giving Samsung money because they now focus too much on bloatware apps, and other gimmick stuff like voice control / microphone / camera, instead of a better picture. Saw people/reviews mention that you can't fx. turn off some video processing stuff on Samsung tv's.

I also got suggested some Sony models also by some other people, but because of the recent track record of Sony with loosing people credit card info I'm sure I want to support Sony either.
post #3757 of 5136
Need some advice on an lcd tv, hope you guys have some ideas. smile.gif

The tv is for a bed room, need a small low cost one. It will be replacing a 27 inch 4:3 crt tv. I would just get another 27 inch crt, but they are getting hard to find. So I'm thinking a low cost lcd. Horizontal space is limited, so if I could get a 27-29 inch 4:3 lcd tv ( if they make them in 4:3 ), with maybe 720p vertical resolution, that would be ideal. Will get a 16x9 one if I have to, maybe a 30 inch model. Would like to get something that is no, or very little, wider than the current crt tv, which is 26 inches wide from side to side of the cabinet. So an lcd tv with a thin bezel is much preferred. It doesn't need to be a very good one, just decent. The good tv is in the living room. Would like to keep cost around $200-$250 or so, if possible. Also, would like to get a tv that can be found at best buy or walmart, don't want to have to have it shipped if that can be avoided.

Any recommendations on the best quality lcd tv's in that price and size range would be appreciated. Thanks. smile.gif
post #3758 of 5136
Looking for some advice on a new TV for my family room, which is the primary TV watching area in our home. I currently have a 52" Sony XBR4 that had worked well until recently when we began having issues with it (Sony has not been very helpful). When the Sony worked we were very happy with the picture quality. The room gets a good amount of natural light as we have a large picture window along with two smaller windows on one side of the room and directly in front (about 15 feet away) from the TV. While both sets of windows have blinds on them, they are woven type blinds that still let light in.

I recently purchased a Sharp 60" 640U that was delivered last week and I am not very happy with it. In particular, I am not at all happy with the off angle viewing picutre quality (we do a fair bit of off angle viewing as the room is open to our kitchen and we often have the TV playing and will watch from there). This was never an issue with the Sony XBR4 and I wonder if it is an issue with all edge lit LED's. I was thinking about returning the TV and trying the Samsung ES6500 or ES7100, or perhaps even switching to a plasma (the Panasonic ST50 or comparable Samsung) but am concerned with glare from the windows.

Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.
post #3759 of 5136
Hey guys I am looking for a suggestion on a good TV. This TV will be used in my living room and will pretty much do the works. TV/Gaming/3D(3D being the least important). I am looking to spend no more than about $2000 and I want it to be at least 46". For the bezel I absolutely love TVs with the least amount of bezel possible.(Which is why the Samsungs in particular catch my eye). I don't really want to go the plasma route this time around. So what would you guys suggest?
post #3760 of 5136
Hi guys. Im new here. I was wondering if someone could help me figure out what Tv to get? I have a Sony lcd that about six years ago was top of the line. Im not married to any brand. My price is around 1000.00 or under. My main issue is I dont trust sales people. Ive been in sales since before my handicap got in the way and I know how they role. I play games and watch blue rays. 3D isnt something I have to have,but if its there its fine. The tech has gotten so much better Im not sure how much I need to spend to get another six years out of a tv. I would at least like a 50 inch being mine is46. Id rather not have a plasma because of glare. Also what merchants have you guys had good luck with? Thanks again for your time.
post #3761 of 5136
I have the upgrade bug. I have a 46" Toshibia LCD and want to go to a 55' or maybe 60".

Distance from couch will be 8 Feet. Room is 14 X 24 .
One large window and one small window in the room.
I watch Directv and Blu Ray and enjoy the windows open in the day time.
Budget is $1500


I want either a LED or Plasma. But i have a real concern about Glare from the windows or lamps in the room. My current LCD has no glare issues at all.
Iv been to BB and look at a couple by Samsung and LG and Sharp both LED and Plasma and they all three looked good in the store.
Just need better advice then the college student working part time at BB.
Eric
post #3762 of 5136
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

I have the upgrade bug. I have a 46" Toshibia LCD and want to go to a 55' or maybe 60".
Distance from couch will be 8 Feet. Room is 14 X 24 .
One large window and one small window in the room.
I watch Directv and Blu Ray and enjoy the windows open in the day time.
Budget is $1500
I want either a LED or Plasma. But i have a real concern about Glare from the windows or lamps in the room. My current LCD has no glare issues at all.
Iv been to BB and look at a couple by Samsung and LG and Sharp both LED and Plasma and they all three looked good in the store.
Just need better advice then the college student working part time at BB.
Eric

eric, i was just looking at BB's 50" and up plasmas. they have the 2 Samsungs 51" 720p for $529, and the 51" 1080p for $699. great reviews, looks sick
post #3763 of 5136
1. Budget - $600ish, can be a little flexible.
2. Seating distance - 7-9 feet
3. Size/placement limitations - Will be wall mounted. I was thinking a 40" might be nice, definitely nothing over 42" or under 37".
4. Uses and sources - General TV usage via Directv, Blu-rays and games on my PS3
5. Room lighting - Window is on the opposite side that the TV will be mounted on and during the day it is nice and bright. Also watch a bit of TV at night/in the dark as well, so a mix of both I guess.
post #3764 of 5136
BI220 , ya but if im spending cash i want a 55 or 60". going from 46 to 50 isnt worth my coin.
post #3765 of 5136
Is the Sharp Aquos 70 really that much of a crappier picture than my Kuro? I am not a videophile by any means. I just use the OOTB settings on my Kuro.

Thanks.
post #3766 of 5136
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Is the Sharp Aquos 70 really that much of a crappier picture than my Kuro? I am not a videophile by any means. I just use the OOTB settings on my Kuro.
Thanks.

Objectively, yes it is.
Subjectively however if you can't see a difference when looking at the two in person then go for it.
What drives people to expensive sets are how picky the buyer is about the picture quality they perceive.
If you don't see a difference between your Kuro and a Sharp Aquos - then get a Sharp Aquos.
It wouldn't be a financially wise decision to buy an even more expensive set if it offers you no discernible difference.
Now if you do see a difference between them then I'd wait for something better come out or for the Sharp Elite models to drop in price as there are no other LCD sets that approach the objective picture quality of the Kuro in a home theater environment.

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Originally Posted by luv2run View Post

Looking for some advice on a new TV for my family room, which is the primary TV watching area in our home. I currently have a 52" Sony XBR4 that had worked well until recently when we began having issues with it (Sony has not been very helpful). When the Sony worked we were very happy with the picture quality. The room gets a good amount of natural light as we have a large picture window along with two smaller windows on one side of the room and directly in front (about 15 feet away) from the TV. While both sets of windows have blinds on them, they are woven type blinds that still let light in.
I recently purchased a Sharp 60" 640U that was delivered last week and I am not very happy with it. In particular, I am not at all happy with the off angle viewing picutre quality (we do a fair bit of off angle viewing as the room is open to our kitchen and we often have the TV playing and will watch from there). This was never an issue with the Sony XBR4 and I wonder if it is an issue with all edge lit LED's. I was thinking about returning the TV and trying the Samsung ES6500 or ES7100, or perhaps even switching to a plasma (the Panasonic ST50 or comparable Samsung) but am concerned with glare from the windows.
Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.

The ES7000+ have a glossy screen similar to most plasmas. If you have a bright room and want to stick with LCD I'd recommend trying the ES6500.
From a price/performance standpoint the ST50 is an amazing buy. However, if your used to the brightness of an LCD for daytime viewing you may not be satisfied.
post #3767 of 5136
Pallenda
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Originally Posted by Pallenda View Post

vinhsynd
So the ES6xxxx series has a more matte screen?
If the 660 and 670 are practically the same, then I don't get it why they difference in black levels, greyscale/color calibrated. So either LG is very inconsistent with their panels, or the person reviewing these two models made a mistake, or there is just a difference between 42" and 47". Either way, its confusing to me.
About the "issues with 50hz content and 1080p24 content", that is the #1 reason I haven't just ordered the LG LM660/669/670 yet. The 760 is a bit too much extra I think for 200 mci. I'm not really sure what this 50hz / 1080p24 issue means and if it even will affects me. I'll get tv signal in PAL so I guess that will mean i'm affected, but I don't understand why that would happen to be an issue since if its a 100 Hz TV it should be very easy to handle that. Some post say the 50Hz / 1024p24 issues are serious mistakes that LG should never have let the TV been released with.
Its really annoying that buying a TV is this difficult to get right. I was leaning to the LG because it should be good panels, and unlike Samsung its IPS which I kinda like on my HP PC monitor. I am not sure I feel like giving Samsung money because they now focus too much on bloatware apps, and other gimmick stuff like voice control / microphone / camera, instead of a better picture. Saw people/reviews mention that you can't fx. turn off some video processing stuff on Samsung tv's.
I also got suggested some Sony models also by some other people, but because of the recent track record of Sony with loosing people credit card info I'm sure I want to support Sony either.

Yes, the ES6500 has a more matte screen than the 7000/8000 series.

I'm not really sure how else to help your decision, most of the other technically good sets we've discussed you've ruled out for moral/political reasons towards their manufacturers.
I wish you luck in finding a TV you enjoy.
Edited by vinhsynd - 8/8/12 at 11:56am
post #3768 of 5136
Well I made the mistake of going to see the Sharp Elite 70 today and holy cow! What a great picture. That's the set I'm gonna get. Gotta save a bit....
post #3769 of 5136
Any recommendations?

- Budget - under $1000
- Size/placement limitations - 42" prefer thin style
- Uses and sources - Gaming (PS3) MUST have low input lag, Sports/TV Shows
post #3770 of 5136
vinhsynd

Thanks for your help. I tend to corner myself when trying to find the correct purchase (for stuff costing over 100eur), ending up having a hard time making the final decision. Mainly because there is no perfect TV. Sadly. smile.gif

I'm will most likely end up getting the 4xES6xxx or 4xES7000. The safe choice I guess. Bit worried about VA panel still, but more worried about the issues with 1080p24 I heard a few people mentioned with the LG models.

7000 series properly have a bit better video processing than the 6000 series, but the camera+mic freaks me out.
post #3771 of 5136
Which 32" LCD (or LED LCD) will do the best upscaling from SD? Much of our viewing is Netflix via Roku, streamed over a 1.5 Mbps SDSL line. We get 3 dots, which looks surprisingly good on our CRT (and the stereo sent through a 10-year-old Denon is great). So the question is whether any of the 32" LCDs would provide us with viewing in the wider format without being a significant downgrade in image quality, due to sub-optimal upscaling circuitry, since Netflix at 3 dots on a Roku is SD.

Another concern is color rendition. When I see flatscreens the colors are generally over saturated and "plasticy." Our Orion CRT has ridiculously naturalistic colors. I realize that many of the flatscreens out there simply aren't adjusted well, but then some have more capacity for adjustment.

So is there a 32" LCD that (1) scales SD video without looking out of focus and showing bad artifacts, and (2) has naturalistic, unexaggerated color rendition?

Searching here on upscaling I've seen some old comments to the effect that "they're all about the same." The advice I'd like is from people who believe they're aware of the differences. I'd also be open to using an external upscaler. I want to keep the old Denon for now, and the primary video out from that is a composite (single yellow RCA) cable. So I'm looking for solutions where either TV or upscaler takes a composite input - preferably two so the kid can also jack his Wii directly in.

Thanks.
post #3772 of 5136
First off thanks to vinhsynd for some recommendations. It set me on the path to looking. smile.gif

I have narrowed it down to two LED LCD TV's and this is where I might need a final push for some help. So looking at reviews, my budget, what size I want and owner's threads I am either going with the Sharp LC-60LE640U or the Samsung UN60EH6000. My main concern is how blu-ray movies look and from what I have read the Sammy handles 1080p/24 better. The lack of apps doesn't matter and currently I only have a cable box and PS3 connected to the TV it is replacing so only having 2 HDMI ports on the Sammy doesn't factor in.

So someone else convince me which one to get.....lol.
post #3773 of 5136
1. Budget: Not a limiting factor, but call it $3,000
2. Seating distance: 12ft
3. Size/placement limitations: Inside a cabinet, 11" max depth WITH STAND seems like the most limiting factor, no wall-mount options, TV cavity 53.25x38.75x11 (WxHxD)
4. Uses and sources: Casual TV and DVD watching, family room.
5. Room lighting: Not too much natural light, basement with a few small windows

I am partial to plasmas (I have a Pioneer Plasma 50" 500m Kuro and Panasonic Plasma 55" VT30), but it seems that plasmas require a larger stand, so in order to get the best TV that can fit in this space, I need to look at LCD. I found the Samsung 6500 50" will fit with stand, but that appears to be the highest end Samsung that will fit. I don't think any of the decent Panasonic LCD's will fit, so my question is should I go with the Samsung 6500 50" or is there something better? I don't have brand allegiance here, I just want the largest/best TV I can fit with an 11" stand.
post #3774 of 5136
1. Budget: $1,000-$1,200
2. Seating distance: 13 feet. Some off angle seating, not much more then maybe 30 degrees off center.
3. Size/placement limitations: 47"-55" class tv
4. Uses and sources: General daily family use. XBOX, tv will be on due to different family member work schedules anywhere from 16-18 hours per day
5. Room lighting: No window/door opposite of the tv, windows to the side of the tv, about 8 feet off center and 6 feet from wall. Windows receive southwest sun exposure every afternoon.

Would love Plasma, but do to afternoon natural lighting, a wife and a mother in law who would be fine with a CRT, I am afraid that they would burn in an image within the break in period, plus being on so much, I realize that LED would be cheaper to run.

Brands I am considering:
Panasonic
Sharp
Samsung
Sony
Vizio
LG

Thanks for any help you all can provide.
post #3775 of 5136
I ave to choose between these tvs

samsung 32EH5000
lg 32LS5600
philips 32PFL3517

usage is mkv 720-1080p, xbox 360, hd and sd channels, bluray

which one should i buy? thanks anyway
post #3776 of 5136
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Originally Posted by cjg725 View Post

First off thanks to vinhsynd for some recommendations. It set me on the path to looking. smile.gif
I have narrowed it down to two LED LCD TV's and this is where I might need a final push for some help. So looking at reviews, my budget, what size I want and owner's threads I am either going with the Sharp LC-60LE640U or the Samsung UN60EH6000. My main concern is how blu-ray movies look and from what I have read the Sammy handles 1080p/24 better. The lack of apps doesn't matter and currently I only have a cable box and PS3 connected to the TV it is replacing so only having 2 HDMI ports on the Sammy doesn't factor in.
So someone else convince me which one to get.....lol.

im sorry but only 2 hdmi ports is total crap. maybe a little bit down the line you want to hook up a real blue ray player or your computer or theater system etc yes you can buy one of those hdmi boxes with the switch and all but just another box more money and space when 4 hdmi ports is almost pretty standard i would go that route any day before i do less again. my first flat screen i bought a westing house lcd 27"(still have it in my closet) only has one port made things a pain in the ass but that was when flat panels were first hitting the market and that thing cost me almost a Grand LOL
post #3777 of 5136
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Originally Posted by abby canadian View Post

So here is my dilemma... I had a 55" es7500 which I exchanged plus some cash back for a 60" e6500 plasma (due to some major major clouding and flash lighting on the set). Returning the e6500 now because of the "samsung buzz" and I'm not a fan of how much darker the picture is and colors not being quite so vivid. So, do I go back to a 55" ES7500 or a 60" 6500 ? Thoughts from those who own the 6500 ? Which is less prone to flashlighting/clouding ??
Thank you in advance for any support/advice.

First, quit drinking the Samsung kool-aid and start looking at other brands. All Samsung leds, except the cheapy EH series sets, are edge lit and equally prone to flashlighting/clouding.
post #3778 of 5136
1. Budget: $1,500-$2,000

2. Seating distance: 13 feet. Some off angle seating, not much more then maybe 30 degrees off center.
3. Size/placement limitations: 50-60" TV.placed above fire place
4. Uses and sources: General daily family use. Cable and Ble ray dvd player. 3d tv could care less
5. Room lighting: south facing windows

Was leaning towards plasma st50 /e6500 but am open to non plasma

brands:
panasonic
samsung
sint
sharp aquos

many thanks
post #3779 of 5136
I've got a sad story, and a request for help:

I'm the guy everyone has heard about and wonders if it is truth or myth; my three year old destroyed my 50" Samsung plasma, so I assure you the stories are not all myths. Ive got 6 months plus until I can really afford to replace that TV with another high end plasma. In the mean time all the entertainment in the house is being displayed on a sad looking 26" LCD that didn't look that great 7 or 8 years ago when it was new. So I'm toying with the idea of replacing the 26" with a good ~40" LCD to tide me over until I can replace the main tv.

My criteria:
36-40"
SLIM >2" thick
The smaller the bezel around the screen the better it will fit in the location without issues
Smart/Internet TV features, don't care although Netflix would be a bonus
3-D, Don't care
TV will be mounted on a wall opposite a large west facing window, so bright room performance is a consideration
Seating distance is approximately 12 feet, and I can't get very far off angle, so veiwing angle doesn't make much difference.
This TV will be used 50-50 for TV and movies, both SD and HD. For now the HD content will come mostly from a HTPC.
Budget ~$700

Doing some quick research I looked at a Panasonic TC-P42UT50 plasma, but the cabinet is just a bit too big for the location where I want this TV. Looking further I came up with the Samsung UN40ES6150F / UN40ES6100F (both 40" LED LCSs that I can't really tell the two apart from Samsung's website, I think the UN40ES6150F is a newer model since I can't find it online yet??). These seem to be about the perfect cabinet size, they have a few extra features I could do without, but it seems like to get the thin cabinet / bezels I need to shoehorn the TV where I want it I'm going to be stuck with a relatively high end unit with features I don't really want.

What else should I look at? Sharp, Sony, Toshiba, LG, Vizio???
post #3780 of 5136
I think the 6150 is a model for Costco and Sam's. Reviews for the 6100 would be applicable.
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