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post #4171 of 4426
2/1/13 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by BillKen View Post

I will be replacing a Pioneer 940 Elite 42" plasma that is now suffering from black bar burn-in - not IR. frown.gif As much as I love my Pio - I think the time has come to look into a replacement.

Before you dump the thing, run something like this for a few days straight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4gE_Xez-fQ
There are some that seem to do the trick with such things. It might be the case that your BI is actually a very "stubborn" IR afterall.

Do this, only because even if you're set on getting rid of it, it'll help the next person who owns it, or allow you to sell it for more.

Be warned though: If you are "addicted" to the PQ of plasma, you might have a hard time adjusting to anything LCD based. Everything (but IR, buzzing, and brightness) is worse.
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post #4172 of 4426
2/1/13 at 7:28am
Thanks for the reply! I have run the Disney WoW pixel flipper for about 12 hours straight - as well as the old "Break-In DVD's" overnight a few times with no luck. Perhaps I should try it for a few days straight vs. just a night.

I am a bit worried about moving on to and LCD - since I've only ever had plasma. Other than the 2 day span I had a 52" Sharp lcd before returning it for my Panny GT30.
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post #4173 of 4426
2/1/13 at 7:55am
I'm between two TVs at the moment. I'm between the Sharp 60LE847U and the Samsung 60ES7100. Torn to go either way. I've only ever had Samsung panels but the new Sharps look pretty good. Any opinions?
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post #4174 of 4426
2/1/13 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by BillKen View Post

Thanks for the reply! I have run the Disney WoW pixel flipper for about 12 hours straight - as well as the old "Break-In DVD's" overnight a few times with no luck. Perhaps I should try it for a few days straight vs. just a night.

I am a bit worried about moving on to and LCD - since I've only ever had plasma. Other than the 2 day span I had a 52" Sharp lcd before returning it for my Panny GT30.

1. make sure you have a fantastic return policy (avoid most of the non-amazon merchants)
2. set it up and (and quickly do the Disney WOW thing) and just spend time watching movies & sports, etc. See how if squashes the dark colors to black. See if the motion makes you sick (it will almost certainly not be as smooth as you're used to).
4. Check out fully black screens to see if there's flashlighting or hazy spots, etc. 5. Look at it off angle.
6. If you get that "sorta disappointed feeling", don't question it too hard, just send it back.

You might absolutely LOVE the brightness of LED-LCD. And then again you might run out of the room screaming with your arms in the air. You can't know yet.

These companies put "wonderful" and "smooth" and all kinds of other glowing superlatives on their boxes and ads. DO NOT FEEL GUILTY about holding them to it.
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post #4175 of 4426
2/1/13 at 11:31am
Hello, I am looking to purchase a new telly within a few months(feb-april) and would appreciate any help or recommendations. I currently have a 50" Sammy pn50b530 plasma and am looking for something newer and more aesthetic. I would keep the TV but its acquired 5 horizontal lines in the bottom third of the screen and it's stopped me from enjoying watching any high pq movies so unless
if one knows a fix for the problem i'm left with getting a new set.


1. Budget - I'd like to keep it around $1100-1700 CAD

2. Seating Distance - 7-10 (depends how I rearranged it for the season)

3. Size/Placement Limitations - None, looking for something in the 50-60" range

4. Uses and Sources - Blu Ray, HD-DVD, Netflix Streaming (thru PS3), Universal media server (thru ps3) mostly 720p content, also a some letterbox SD

5. Room Lighting - fairly controlled so getting another plasma is fine, but I am leaning more towards LED

I want something stylish and modern, I like the look of the LG 55LM8600.

Cheers
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post #4176 of 4426
2/5/13 at 5:56am
Help advice greatly appreciated

Our ~6 year old 47" Vizio 1080P fluorescent (GV47L) just died. I'm sure it's not even worth investigating repair (though I'll have to figure out how to responsibly dispose of it). It is a wall mounted dumb monitor for a copper networked mythtv frontend (Zotac Ion box that sits behind it as it happens). For now at least, we also boot to windows to get the ArcSoft or Cyberlink software blu players. Eventually when Slyce shows up or mythfe (or XMBC) on windows is at a place we'll consolidate on a single OS. Since we bought the Vizio I've learned quite a bit about color and perception; I spend a lot of time behind a wide gamut monitor calibrated with a spectrometer, and intend to tweak the replacement monitor using it (may keep winderz due to the more mature color handling). Color is much more important to me now than when we bought the vizio ... I can now pretty much predict how much blue-yellow / magenta-green shift is needed to set grey to neutral by looking at an image ... bad purple handling is now an annoyance, and so on.

The TV is not at all responsible for sound, which is provided by a Yamaha phased array sound bar + subwoffer driven by S/PDIF . I don't want 3D (or network or anything other than a good image) or want to have to pay for it, if possible.

I'd to be able to have the monitor render 24p "correctly" without frame interpolation; yes, I know I'll have to figure out how to send something other than a 60Hz signal from the PC to do this.

I have strongly considered plasma, and may yet go that way though I'd have to move the mythfrontend from behind the monitor as the plasma would bake it. I'm also not thrilled with the prospect of generating that much heat only to have to have the AC push it out (we were early CFL adopters, for example). Buzzing is a real concern, as sometimes the adults watch late at night at very low sound levels as not to wake the kids. But I'm willing to reconsider.

I'm biased towards buying at COSTCO for a lot of reasons, but that's not iron-clad either.

*** Budget
Up to $2k. < $1 is much better though. In the end I want to do the best I can now and hopefully not worry about this again for ~ 10 years. Or until 4k comes along in a way that is compelling.

*** Seating distance:
Dead center, 12'. There is a preferred spot on the couch 13.25 feet away 25 deg. off center. The Vizio does not look good from this spot, not surprising. I very much want this problem to be much better, or go away completely.

*** Size/placement limitations.
Wall mount. I think anything from 50-70" would be "reasonable".

*** Uses and sources
As above, ION HTPC over HDMI (vid only) to monitor (TV). 1080P modeline (fixing the EDID negotiation FAIL on the GV47L was a royal pain)

*** Room lighting
Basement with either "standard level" indoor fluorescent from 8' ceiling (rare) or really dark with just enough ambient to move around in (the most important condition). I really don't care if the lights-on scenario is sub-optimal.

Aesthetically nice on the wall (thin bezel etc.) would be a bonus.

If I had to do something right now I'd probably buy the TC-55LE54 from COSTCO for $1250. I understand it was $900 a few weeks ago and that is very annoying. I might prefer to spend $1500 for a 2013 model than $1250 for the 2012 depending on the improvements.

I don't have to fix this problem today or this week. We can actually live without TV for a while. Timing advice is also appreciated. I really have no idea how often "great deals" show up as we've been out of the market since a Black Friday long, long ago.

Thank you!
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post #4177 of 4426
2/5/13 at 8:08am
I'm looking for a TV that comparable to the now abosolete Samsung UNB8500. I'm looking for an LED specifically in the 46 inch range. Not fussy about input lag, but I really would like a TV thats on par with the UNB8500, if one exists. I am thinking of caving in and buying a reburbed 8500 for $1349 so if possible, I would like to stay in that range.
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post #4178 of 4426
2/5/13 at 8:29pm
I think I've settled on buying a 46" or 47" LED TV (or LED-based LCD, or whatever I need to call it to not offend people), and now I'm dizzy looking at all the models and various features. I haven't set a budget number, but I wouldn't expect what I want to go over $1k. If it does, let me know, and I could be swayed.

I don't want Smart TV or 3D (we like to run our Mac Mini through our TV), but I want good quality on most everything else, and it seems like the two are tied together on most models, and the price reflects it.

After some research, it looks like I should be avoiding edge-lit, and opt for backlit with local dimming. Thoughts?

120hz vs 240hz? Is 240hz even noticeable?

Fit my needs, please! You're my first last hope!
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post #4179 of 4426
2/6/13 at 8:05am
Hello, I am looking to buy a new flat screen TV. I would be upgrading from a 32" tube TV that I have had for 15 years.

1. Budget
My absolute maximum is $1000, but I would rather be in the $800 range.

2. Seating distance
Currently 8 feet, but that may change in the future.

3. Size/placement limitations
I was looking at the 46" to 55" range. This TV will not be wall mounted.

4. Uses and sources
This TV will primarily be used for movie watching from a Blu-Ray player, HTPC, and Xbox. I game occasionally on the Xbox and HTPC. Will invest in a better sound system later.

5. Room lighting
Currently the TV will be in the basement, but I will be moving out in the near future and it will most likely be in the living room.

TVs are not really my thing, computers are, so I will probably not be the most difficult to please. However I am looking to maximize my money and was hoping to get a good deal on a new TV around the time of the Super Bowl. I am looking mainly for the best picture quality, with 3D and smart TV being a nice addition. I have been to HHGregg, Best Buy, and Costco this past weekend, nothing really caught my eye. Thank you for you help.

My current list that I was looking at:

LED:
LG 47LM6700 (open box at Best Buy)
LG 47LM4600
Panasonic TC-L55ET5

Plasma:
Panasonic TC-P55UT50
Samsung PN51E550D1FXZA
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post #4180 of 4426
2/6/13 at 8:11am
I am looking for a LED TV set for my bedroom with the following specs:


- LED - 120 HZ (no need for 3D)
- Around 50"
- Good picture quality with deep blacks and vibrant colors
- Decent viewing angle
- Preferably full array back-lit
- Price range - $500 to $900

Can somebody recommend a decent TV which has good reviews with the above specs.
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post #4181 of 4426
2/6/13 at 8:33am
Was going to be getting a 40" Samsung EH6000 LED/LCD, but the BB near me doesn't carry them anymore, and now I have no idea what to get. I was also considering the 50" Panasonic UT50 Plasma and the 51" Samsung E530 plasma, but after doing some measuring, I have realized that those two would be too big for my space.

I am going to be using the TV mainly for gaming and am looking for something in the 40-47 inch range. I would like to get either a Sony or a Samsung but I wouldn't be averse to and LG or Vizio. I'm just really wary of LGs because my experience and research has told me that their PQ is hit or miss. I'd also like to be able to get something in the 120hz area.
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post #4182 of 4426
2/6/13 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by insidetheeight1 View Post


120hz vs 240hz? Is 240hz even noticeable?

120Hz and 240Hz are equally bad. Unless used exclusively to avoid 3:2 pulldown.

http://prolost.com/blog/2011/3/28/your-new-tv-ruins-movies.html
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post #4183 of 4426
2/6/13 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by insidetheeight1 View Post

I think I've settled on buying a 46" or 47" LED TV (or LED-based LCD, or whatever I need to call it to not offend people)

I know what you mean, but it's not "offending people" per se, it's trying to be colloquial without causing the inevitable "but you know that it's not really LED, right?" response.

It reminds me of nearly every conversation on the radio where the term "currency" is used. There is always some drunk dialing in trying to say that currency only refers to paper money.

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, and now I'm dizzy looking at all the models and various features.

Criminey, are you ever are in a verrrrrrrrrrry large support group for that particular feeling here! I do research, then buy nothing in anger, then do research, then buy nothing in anger....

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I haven't set a budget number, but I wouldn't expect what I want to go over $1k. If it does, let me know, and I could be swayed.

I don't want Smart TV or 3D (we like to run our Mac Mini through our TV), but I want good quality on most everything else, and it seems like the two are tied together on most models, and the price reflects it.

After some research, it looks like I should be avoiding edge-lit, and opt for backlit with local dimming. Thoughts?

With that rough budget and given that you want no 3d and only 47", you are in fantastic shape! Narrow things down to Sony (whom I only personally ruled out because they're active-3D in 2012) and you're likely to be fairly happy IMO. Also, most of the sonys I've seen have better off-angle viewing than even the IPS panels from Panasonic, which are hyped farrrrrrrr to far.

Here is a solid performer (sorry, you get "smart" and "3D" with the better panels). Note, sorry also, because it's currently at $1149 on Amazon, but now is the time for prices to tumble as 2013's roll out.
Sony BRAVIA KDL46HX750

And remember: (!!!!!)
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS
SORT
BY
NEWEST
AND
NOT
BY
MOST HELPFUL!!!!!!!
Why? Because the firmware changes over time. The hardware build dates change over time. And things usually get remarkably better throughout the model year, (and rarely get worse), and you can only determine that with a chronological listing of reviews!

Look at the reviews here, and I've heard a lot of good stuff about the 750 here and there.
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BRAVIA-KDL46HX750-46-Inch-Internet/product-reviews/B006U1VGW4/ref=cm_cr_pr_top_recent?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
Note though----don't buy from a marketplace vendor unless 1. the return policy is stellar (it won't be---it'll be crap, trust me), or 2. it's "fulfilled by Amazon", which AFAICT always gives you a less hassle return. Or of course, buy from Amazon directly (my choice) when available.


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120hz vs 240hz? Is 240hz even noticeable?

Big argument in some circles for that so I'll only say "absolutely" and run for cover and will not be argued with.
Edited by tgm1024 - 2/6/13 at 12:42pm
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post #4184 of 4426
2/6/13 at 5:11pm
what should i get lg ga7900 or vizio 65m1d both are 2013 models.
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post #4185 of 4426
2/6/13 at 7:22pm
Looking to get a LED-LCD TV after returning the Panasonic Plasma I bought due to very harsh reflections and glare. I used to have a 5 year old 47" LCD in the same spot which I had zero issues with glare and reflections so a LED-LCD TV it is for my new purchase without a glossy display. Looking for recommendations for *hopefully* below $1200 or near that price for a 60" (or 55" I suppose) LED TV. 3D and smart apps are of ZERO interest to me. Just looking for a really good picture quality 60" LED for 2D content. 240hz refresh rate would be nice but not a necessity as 120hz will do just fine. Keep in mind some of the TV's available in the USA simply are not available here in Canada like the 60" Vizio LED for anyone that does post suggestions although most of the same things are available. I thank anyone that posts and really appreciate any suggestions and input in advance.

Was looking at these two below (not sure how they live up to expectation and reviews):

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-L55ET5 Listed for $1499 at retail

http://www.lg.com/ca_en/tvs/lg-55LS5600-led-tv Listed for $1099 at retail

^^^ Not sure if the Panny is worth the extra dough considering I have no use for 3D or smart apps.
Edited by Thunder_God_Thor - 2/7/13 at 12:49am
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post #4186 of 4426
2/6/13 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by Thunder_God_Thor View Post

Looking to get a LED-LCD TV after returning the Panasonic Plasma I bought due to very harsh reflections and glare. I used to have a 5 year old 47" LCD in the same spot which I had zero issues with glare and reflections so a LED-LCD TV it is for my new purchase without a glossy display. Looking for recommendations for *hopefully* below $1200 or near that price for a 60" LED TV. 3D and smart apps are of ZERO interest to me. Just looking for a really good picture quality 60" LED for 2D content. 240hz refresh rate would be nice but not a necessity as 120hz will do just fine. Keep in mind some of the TV's available in the USA simply are not available here in Canada like the 60" Vizio LED for anyone that does post suggestions although most of the same things are available. I thank anyone that posts and really appreciate any suggestions and input in advance.

That's not easy. The only thing that amazon.ca could find at that price that was 60 inches was another plasma: A samsung ~$1100. http://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-PN60E530-60-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B007N7294I/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1360213102&sr=1-9

If you want 55 inchers, you have LED-LCD options.
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post #4187 of 4426
2/7/13 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

That's not easy. The only thing that amazon.ca could find at that price that was 60 inches was another plasma: A samsung ~$1100. http://www.amazon.ca/Samsung-PN60E530-60-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B007N7294I/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1360213102&sr=1-9

If you want 55 inchers, you have LED-LCD options.

I suppose 55" is okay as well. i could up the budget a little as well by a few hundred bucks if needed.
Edited by Thunder_God_Thor - 2/7/13 at 12:31am
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post #4188 of 4426
2/8/13 at 3:47pm
Well, I had gone out to COSTCO to bring back the 55" Panny U50 for $750 ... but ended up coming home with the 64" Samsung 533 (PN64E533D2F) for $1050 (!). This may be of use to people that find themselves in my situation ... replacing an old LCD TV. I found that large (>= 55")modern plasmas are lighter and more power efficient than the 47" LCD that died! The GV47L was 280W and 89lb. The 55" panny was 120W and 60lb. The 64" Samsung 80lb & "$31/year power @5 hours/day". Not as warm as the Vizio so I think I can place the HTPC behind it as I want to.

Haven't noticed buzzing so far, but haven't been in very very quite mode yet either.

Initial thoughts ... huge upgrade (duh), especially when the lights are out(!)
64" is perhaps slightly big 12' away; I'm sure we'll get used to it. True "home theater" now ...

The picture is a huge upgrade ... it isn't as good as my pro photography monitor (HP ZR30w). I'll see if I can get my Colormunki on it with some calibration routines and we'll see what happens. It seems to have the proper white balance, gamma, and other controls I'll need to tweak it to perfection. We'll see.

The glass is a mirror. Watch in lights out is best.


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Originally Posted by liels View Post

Help advice greatly appreciated

Our ~6 year old 47" Vizio 1080P fluorescent (GV47L) just died. I'm sure it's not even worth investigating repair (though I'll have to figure out how to responsibly dispose of it). It is a wall mounted dumb monitor for a copper networked mythtv frontend (Zotac Ion box that sits behind it as it happens). For now at least, we also boot to windows to get the ArcSoft or Cyberlink software blu players. Eventually when Slyce shows up or mythfe (or XMBC) on windows is at a place we'll consolidate on a single OS. Since we bought the Vizio I've learned quite a bit about color and perception; I spend a lot of time behind a wide gamut monitor calibrated with a spectrometer, and intend to tweak the replacement monitor using it (may keep winderz due to the more mature color handling). Color is much more important to me now than when we bought the vizio ... I can now pretty much predict how much blue-yellow / magenta-green shift is needed to set grey to neutral by looking at an image ... bad purple handling is now an annoyance, and so on.

The TV is not at all responsible for sound, which is provided by a Yamaha phased array sound bar + subwoffer driven by S/PDIF . I don't want 3D (or network or anything other than a good image) or want to have to pay for it, if possible.

I'd to be able to have the monitor render 24p "correctly" without frame interpolation; yes, I know I'll have to figure out how to send something other than a 60Hz signal from the PC to do this.

I have strongly considered plasma, and may yet go that way though I'd have to move the mythfrontend from behind the monitor as the plasma would bake it. I'm also not thrilled with the prospect of generating that much heat only to have to have the AC push it out (we were early CFL adopters, for example). Buzzing is a real concern, as sometimes the adults watch late at night at very low sound levels as not to wake the kids. But I'm willing to reconsider.

I'm biased towards buying at COSTCO for a lot of reasons, but that's not iron-clad either.

*** Budget
Up to $2k. < $1 is much better though. In the end I want to do the best I can now and hopefully not worry about this again for ~ 10 years. Or until 4k comes along in a way that is compelling.

*** Seating distance:
Dead center, 12'. There is a preferred spot on the couch 13.25 feet away 25 deg. off center. The Vizio does not look good from this spot, not surprising. I very much want this problem to be much better, or go away completely.

*** Size/placement limitations.
Wall mount. I think anything from 50-70" would be "reasonable".

*** Uses and sources
As above, ION HTPC over HDMI (vid only) to monitor (TV). 1080P modeline (fixing the EDID negotiation FAIL on the GV47L was a royal pain)

*** Room lighting
Basement with either "standard level" indoor fluorescent from 8' ceiling (rare) or really dark with just enough ambient to move around in (the most important condition). I really don't care if the lights-on scenario is sub-optimal.

Aesthetically nice on the wall (thin bezel etc.) would be a bonus.

If I had to do something right now I'd probably buy the TC-55LE54 from COSTCO for $1250. I understand it was $900 a few weeks ago and that is very annoying. I might prefer to spend $1500 for a 2013 model than $1250 for the 2012 depending on the improvements.

I don't have to fix this problem today or this week. We can actually live without TV for a while. Timing advice is also appreciated. I really have no idea how often "great deals" show up as we've been out of the market since a Black Friday long, long ago.

Thank you!
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post #4189 of 4426
2/8/13 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by huangtingting1 View Post

Thanks for doing this!

Hopefully this thread will cut down on new thread creation and make the main forum focused on specific topics (other than "what LCD should I buy?").

Even though this thread may get long, it's still the place to ask questions about what LCD to buy even though the answer may be buried somewhere earlier.

larry

LOL......no "hopefully" about it. This thread is over 4100 posts long after all.
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post #4190 of 4426
2/8/13 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by liels View Post

The glass is a mirror. Watch in lights out is best.

I'm hoping this crap will soon be over. 2012 really seems to be dominated by super-reflection screens and it's a nightmare for everyone.

New technology is out though----we'll have to see how it works in the coming years. Hopefully we'll soon see it as a ancient history problem.
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post #4191 of 4426
2/9/13 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

I'm hoping this crap will soon be over. 2012 really seems to be dominated by super-reflection screens and it's a nightmare for everyone.

New technology is out though----we'll have to see how it works in the coming years. Hopefully we'll soon see it as a ancient history problem.

The anti-glare filters on higher end plasmas are pretty effective and, importantly, don't really hurt IQ. We just chose not to pay for it as our one TV is in a basement where we can control glare. If glare were a concern I may well have sprung for a Panny ST50 or even higher up on their chain. But it would have been $2.3k instead of $1k for 65".

There is no perfect set (my wife, after taking down the bulky 90 lb 47" Vizio and remembering how much better that was than the pain of getting rid of the 32" (IIRC) CRT that it replaced said that she thought the next one would just be wallpaper. We're making huge strides, and you can get something with very few downsides. If you bring your wallet.

Now, being someone that spends a lot of time in colorspaces with end to end color managed workflow I could whine about the gamut (and dpi) available at any price. There are huge swaths colors on the print film of "our" movie libraries that we won't be seeing again anytime soon, if ever, at any price. But it wouldn't do any good.
Edited by liels - 2/9/13 at 3:11am
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post #4192 of 4426
2/9/13 at 10:28am
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Now, being someone that spends a lot of time in colorspaces with end to end color managed workflow I could whine about the gamut (and dpi) available at any price. There are huge swaths colors on the print film of "our" movie libraries that we won't be seeing again anytime soon, if ever, at any price. But it wouldn't do any good.

I'm in the minority here, but anecdotally, one of the reasons I abandoned the software side of color science is because (and this is my personal opinion, I'm not slamming you or anyone else) I lost faith in it really mattering past an already well achieved point. Once I realized just how effective color constancy was at altering perception, and when it fully sank in how very well we adapt to seeing even horribly "off" color spaces, I came to the conclusion that nearly the entire "industry" was far too close to the trees.

Note, it could well be I took the wrong off-ramp in my conclusions here---a very close friend of mine has been deeply respected in the industry for a long time. And I understand well many of the arguments: I used to argue them myself, albeit with ever increasing apathy from the 90's on, of the various effects in the subtractive realm but lost interest when the nail in the coffin was reached for me: I saw very seasoned color scientists themselves starting to @#$% up their own "before" and "after" photos.
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post #4193 of 4426
2/10/13 at 4:04am
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

I'm in the minority here, but anecdotally, one of the reasons I abandoned the software side of color science is because (and this is my personal opinion, I'm not slamming you or anyone else) I lost faith in it really mattering past an already well achieved point. Once I realized just how effective color constancy was at altering perception, and when it fully sank in how very well we adapt to seeing even horribly "off" color spaces, I came to the conclusion that nearly the entire "industry" was far too close to the trees.

Absolutely; anyone that "works" in this area better understand the psychology of color _at least as much if not more_ than the "wavelengths" and "mappings". And the mind "does" re map things quite well. But it is doing that work and probably aware of it unconsciously. And without the range of cues available in the real world. Color consistency works well when the full range of visual cues are involved (not a photo or a screen), which is why unbalanced film/blown digital WB looks awful, of course. The other thing that I suspect is that the subconscious emotional effect (immersion, believability, willing suspension of disbelief) work better when we get closer to "nature" ... surround sound is an important part of that, and, I think, a full range of colors. I think at some level we've been "trained" to think that sRGB/ rec 709 = TV = fake; of course, to test that I'd need to do a double blind study with e.g. What Dreams May Come / The Fall / etc. with a "full gamut" screen, "A" with the full color, "B" exactly the same except mapped down to 709 with whatever perceptual stuff they use. I suspect the deep reds and real purples would make a difference to how it felt.
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post #4194 of 4426
2/10/13 at 5:52am
Okay, I've narrowed it down to two choices, the 40" Samsung ES6100 and the 40" Sony EX640. Both are fairly close in price. Right now, I'm leaning towards the Sony since I have a PS3, and whenever I've compared the two in-store it seems like the Sony has the better color and blacks.

Am I wrong about this? What do you guys think?
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post #4195 of 4426
2/10/13 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by liels View Post

Absolutely; anyone that "works" in this area better understand the psychology of color

No, it's actually the Neurology of vision.
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_at least as much if not more_ than the "wavelengths" and "mappings". And the mind "does" re map things quite well. But it is doing that work and probably aware of it unconsciously. And without the range of cues available in the real world. Color consistency works well when the full range of visual cues are involved (not a photo or a screen)

No, it's Color Constancy not "consistency". Its a neurological phenomenon. It has to do with the eye/brain combination allowing you to recognize the same color in varying amounts of light. And no, it doesn't require any full range of any cues---it's at work in even the most rudimentary of images.

For example, take a look at the following extremely simple image, which is using shading to exploit the very neurological apparatus I'm talking about. What square do you see as darker, "A" or "B"? (They are precisely the same shade).
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You can see your brain go through olympic effort when you use your fingers to cover up parts of the image surrounding the squares. For those of you who do not have a handle on this phenomenon, here is the proof for it I concocted. It'll also cause your brain to flip/flop based on what it believes it "should" be doing at the neurological level.
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When you get a handle on just how much the brain is already mucking with what it is you're seeing (such as the above example) and add to that the rod/cone saturations in the eye before the brain gets ahold of the stimulus, you could well come to the conclusion that I did: we're now at the point where we are gold plating our tire irons.
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post #4196 of 4426
2/10/13 at 11:27am
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Okay, I've narrowed it down to two choices, the 40" Samsung ES6100 and the 40" Sony EX640. Both are fairly close in price. Right now, I'm leaning towards the Sony since I have a PS3, and whenever I've compared the two in-store it seems like the Sony has the better color and blacks.

Am I wrong about this? What do you guys think?

Unclear. I will say that sony's PVA panels have better off angle viewing than the IPS panels I've seen.....and I've always been impressed with them as a general rule. Further, Samsung p1$$ed me off royally 2 years ago with their "panel lottery" being so out of control with varying quality. The panel I got went back because it just could NOT be calibrated to take the red/green out of faces and not squash shadow detail down to uber-black. So offhand, my default is Sony.
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post #4197 of 4426
2/10/13 at 5:34pm
Im wanting to upgrade my 5 year old 47" LCD and am looking for some recommendations for a 60" - 70"+ LED tv. 2D picture quality is what matters to me the most (and obviously cost. dont wanna' go too crazy, lol). I don't give a hoot about 3D or smart apps. Main use will be sports broadcasts, blu-ray movies and some ps3/360 gaming. Thanks in advance for any replies! smile.gif
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post #4198 of 4426
2/13/13 at 5:50pm
It is impossible to find professional reviews for 22-24" TVs regarding the best possible picture quality. Everything seems to be for 40" and up.

I am spoiled in the main room by a Pioneer Kuro plasma and so I'd something with good blacks and color in a smaller size for the bedroom. I know it's not going to be as good as the Kuro, but I want something with a picture as good as I can get within my budget.

In this size I cannot find anything in plasma or an LED screen with local dimming, which is sort of dashing my hopes for a high quality picture.

I don't need a tuner, so a monitor with speakers would be fine too. Are there any recommendations for something in this size?

1. Budget
Approx. $300

2. Seating distance
7 feet and 20 feet

3. Size/placement limitations
22" is probably as small as I'd be willing to go. The size is also limited by the wall enclosure so 24" is the max.

4. Uses and sources
Blu-ray, Netflix streaming, AppleTV3.

5. Room lighting
Low light.
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post #4199 of 4426
2/14/13 at 7:23pm
I bow to the ever-knowledgeable braintrust of the AVS gurus and beseech you for your assistance.

1. Budget: $1200 - $2000 USD
2. Seating distance: ~8'
3. Size/placement limitations: Nothing under 55". 60"+ vastly preferred.
4. Uses: 3D gaming, 3D movies and streaming video from HTPC
5. Sources: XBOX 360, PS3, Wii U, OUYA, HTPC w/Blu Ray drive, Laptop, Samsung Galaxy S III and Note II.
6. Room lighting: Low light.

I've become rather enamoured with the LG 60LM7200, but I'm wondering if there's other options out there.

Must Haves:

Passive 3D
120 Hz
Thin bezel
Wifi
Android app
Local dimming

Would Prefer:

Full array LED
240 Hz
Dual View (Being able to play a split-screen game as a full screen for two people with different glasses)

Any and all suggestions welcomed and appreciated. Looking to purchase around the second week of March.

Thank you!
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post #4200 of 4426
2/16/13 at 9:08am
I am in the process of setting up my man cave and am completely over-whelmed trying to find the right LCD to put in it.

1. Budget: I would like to keep it under $600
2. Seating distance will be about 7-10 feet
3. Size: I am looking at between 42"-47"
4. I will mostly be using it for gaming (PC, PS3, as well as older game systems), streaming video, and bluray movies
5. Room lighting: The main lights are pretty bright fluorescents, but I will probably mostly use a lamp for lower lighting.

Thank you!
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