the "help me choose an LCD" thread - Page 143

Ok one other question;

I'm reading wildly different opinions and "facts" regarding gaming on either plasma or LED. So which is it plasma or LED for gaming? I'm reading image retention isn't as bad as it used to be on the plasmas.

We have a Panasonic Plasma (65GT) and use it for gaming all the time. It's a great TV in all regards. No burn in issues, had it over a year now.

1. Budget around: 2500.00 (could go up to $3000 if needed)

2. Seating Distance:10-15feet

3. Size/placement limitations: 55 inch

4. Uses and sources: HDTV - Comcast, Blu-Ray, and video games: 360 and PS3 (50% cable TV, 30% blu-ray, 20% gaming).

5. Room lighting: bright light during the day (can close the blinds though)


Been looking at:

1. Sony 55HX950
2. LG 55LM9600
3. Samsung UN55ES8000
could also consider Plasma but i do tend to leave the TV on for a long time with Logos at bottom corner and i pause video games for a while too

I'm a newbie when it comes to TVs, I don't have the possibility of seeing the Sony and LG since no store around me seems to have them. I'd like nice PQ and smooth motion while i watch sporting events. I can care less about the 3D and all those Apps. Which one would you recommend? I've been reading the forums and reviews about those TVs but it only got me more confused.

Thanks
Edited by blarf - 3/2/13 at 9:19am

Of the models mentioned, the HX950 is the best option. I've seen almost nothing that would lean me toward the LM9600, and in my opinion, the ES8000's screen uniformity coupled with a few other issues doen't warrant it's high price tag.

If you consider the PDP realm, I'd look at the VT50.

Please someone help me! The more I read here the more confused I am getting. Please someone tell me which model HDTV I should consider, I want to purchase something in the next week.


My requirements are :

Has to be 65" Screen. It can't have a glossy screen because of lots of open windows in the daytime. (I am thinking that eliminates Plasma sets)

Has to be between $1400 and $2200.

Has to have very good Picture Quality. Sound quality doesn't matter, as I have a speaker system.

I don't care about 3D, and will likely not even use it , though Smart TV would be great.

The only HDTV I have seen in person that really impressed me was the LG 65LM6200 for about $2000.

The other names I have looked at are Samsung, Vizio E650I-A2 (coming out soon), and Sony.

Samsung has two or three grades of LED sets and don't know which would give me the most value for my budget.


My research tells me none of these 4 brands stand out, what do people suggest? Which model?

Thanks!
Edited by MitchFlorida - 3/2/13 at 11:44am

Search through the forum Flat Panel General & FP New Tech for "burn in", "image retention", or "IR" for an ENORMOUS amount of heated debate. There is, of course, a plasma dedicated forum, but I find an LCD-only or plasma-only forum to sometimes be skewed. But here? It's unlikely to help you with balanced info either IMO, because this thread typically gathers people convinced already that they need an LCD (like me). And those people may have already ruled out plasma for those reasons your asking about.

Here's a sticky thread about LCD vs. Plasma if it helps. It's very big, so search through it or zip to the last few hundred posts maybe.

If it helps you any, I can give you a quick snapshot of what I've personally seen as posts (all 3rd hand info on the experiences of others, and speculation as well), but be aware, this is off the top of my head and others will undoubtedly have seen more or less.

• Some claim they've never had a problem with PDP, even with gaming
• Some who've never had a problem claim it's because of the break-in period they were careful with. Some suggest 200 hours even.
• Some claim they've never had a problem despite not breaking in the panel and gaming anyway.
• Some claim that even though they're seasoned PDP owners, and have done the break ins carefully that they're still experiencing Burn In or Image Retention, especially because of gaming.
• Some claim that things are "ok" so long as you don't spend a lot of time on channels with static (or close to static) image regions like the various channel logos, and the scroll at the bottom of news channels. Note: those do "move", but enough of those panning images are the same enough to cause a problem (More guessing).
• In the case of Panasonic, some speculate that in 2012 there might have been an uptick in BI/IR because of them redesigning things from the ground up to make everything brighter, and that recent years prior to 2012 there were less issues. (Until several years back).

A lot of arguing in all of the above. All of it inconclusive and (I'm sorry to say) very aggravating for potential buyers to sort through. And it seems to apply even to the highly recommended top-level plasmas like Pana's 2012 VT50 series, where you'll get people vehement about both sides.

Wish I could help you more in this.
Edited by tgm1024 - 3/2/13 at 11:41am

+1

+1. Lots of complaints on that beast, at least that I've seen. It's definitely one of those that really seemed stellar on paper (except for the price) and in reality seemed to tick off a lot of folks.

The 65ST50 from Panasonic is right at that $2200 precipice and is arguably one of the best FPs of 2012 in terms of value/performance. It is a PDP but it has an A/R filter which does a pretty solid job with amibent/natural light, so I'd have no concerns with putting it into a brighter room. Of course being that it is a PDP it won't output near as much light as an LCD will but in my opinion of the model(s) you've listed or that are in question, the ST50 is a more adequate choice.

I'm not sure if 70" is out of the realm, but the Sharp 70LE640U is right at $2000 and that's also a very solid option and great performer. The EH6000 also fits the bill for you and is one I'd consider before the LM6200.

Ok, I'll look more into the VT50 and HX950

Both are extremely solid options. Can't go wrong with either choice. Best of luck.

I'd check out the owner's thread for each and go from there. Best of luck!

Hello, long time lurker here

1. Our budget is 700€ tops. We live in Italy and there is an over-abundance of Samsung panels here.
2. Seating distance will be between 3 and 3.5 metres. between 10 and 12 feet.
3. I'm looking at a 46" as my reference size.
4. Will be used for watching movies and possibly gaming. Sources will be mostly 1080p blu-ray movies and a *LOT* of 720p24 (american tv rips), all played through HDMI from a PS3 Slim (most likely) and a desktop computer (3rd gen i5 with Z77 chipset).
5. At the moment lightning is provided with 5 incandescent 60watt lightbulbs. Will be soon switched to 20w CFLs. I tend to watch tv with lights turned off though.

I read somewhere in this forum that to avoid the 3:2 pulldown artifacts (called "judder" i believe?) i would need a 120hz display.

I isolated these models, one with a 50hz refresh rate and a Clear Motion Rate (marketing samsung thing) equivalent to 100. The other models (much closer to top budget) seems to have real 100hz.

Samsung UE46EH5000(600€)
Samsung UE46ES5500(690€)
Sony KDL-46EX653(700€)

I sadly do not have access to american brands such as Westinghouse (they do not get imported in Italy). I'm very open to different suggestions

Thanks a lot for the help
Edited by karmik - 3/2/13 at 3:23pm

Hello I am looking for a new television. Im looking at tv's that range from 40" to 47". I use my tv mainly for watching videos and playing games on my 360, so the tv can't have any noticeable input lag. My budget is at $800 max. I want the tv with the best value from the displays I am looking at. If you know of any other models that you would suggest I would really appreciate it.

LG 47LS4500 - $550

Samsung UN40ES6100 - $750

Samsung UN40ES6500 - $800

Samsung UN40ES6003 - $600

LG 42LM6200 - $800

Sony KDL40EX640 - $800

Vizio M470SL - $700

Sony KDL42EX440 - $580

Panasonic TC-L42E50 - $700
Edited by GGnoRE - 3/3/13 at 5:12am

I might as well wait for the Samsung 55F8000 to come out too.

If you're going to hold out then I'd also consider the F8500, or the ZT60.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I have priced the 65ST50 at $2150 at Amazon. But I have also found last year's model the 65VT30 online for $1600.


This reviewer really likes both of them. I am wondering if the less expensive one would be more of a bargain for me, with a $550 difference?
The black levels are supposed to be a little bit better this year. I am more concerned about screen glare though.


http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p65vt30/4505-6482_7-34468893.html

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p65st50/4505-6482_7-35118302.html
Edited by MitchFlorida - 3/3/13 at 7:16am

The Vizio M470SL and Panasonic TC-42E50 are great gaming sets. I feel the two sets the Vizio offers better picture quality, but the Panasonic offers better motion performance. I am a big fan of Panasonics backlight scanning tech, some of the best I have seen. Neither are slouches in motion performance(blurring, trailing) and lag is pretty low on both (20-30ms) in game mode(Panasonic).
If you can hold out for a few more weeks and can scrape together $50 you can have one of the new industrial designed M-series Vizio's.

http://store.vizio.com/news/vizio-reveals-expanded-2013-hdtv-collection/?SID=eu2ghfv9mdm7denq5gbqi9a4e6

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Just for the record, after looking at multiple lcd tv's, I ended up with another panasonic plasma. I realized I cared more about pq than I thought or maybe plasma just.looks better to me. Thanks for all of the help.

......................which one?

So Iv'e narrowed down the possibilities to these 4 tvs. Again, I use my tv mostly for my 360.

LG 47LS4500 - $550

Samsung UN46ES6003 - $700

Vizio M3D470KDE - $660

Panasonic TC-L47E50 - $800
Edited by GGnoRE - 3/4/13 at 11:53am

Check these against displaylag.com, if you haven't yet. Also, (and trust me, I do understand that your budget is limited in this) but is 3D in any way important to you? Consider: there are some 3D TV's that allow for "dual play", where two people can use the same set: one using Left/Left glasses, and the other using Right/Right. They each see their own full screen (and not the other's), and can "battle" each other, etc.

I'm not sure what the input lag #'s are for any of these FP's, but of the one's you've listed the ES6003 is the best option, by a wide margin.
The LS4500 is atrocious, the Panasonic E50 is sub-par at best, and the Vizio is, well, a Vizio.

Hoozthatat, thanks for the Insignia suggestion, it hit the budget sweet spot. BB was sold out so hopefully I'll be picking it up in a day or so. Talked my cousin into the 5 year extended warranty, For the cost if the set craps out at least she'll get a replacement. Only other option I found while out shopping was a Sanyo at Sam's, but I know to stay far away from that brand. Was hoping to find some name brand options, ever a few $ more, but did not come across anything. Perhaps we should have waited for more new models to show up, odds of clearance pricing would have been better. She is not picky over picture quality, she's watching a 20 year old 27" set now, so anything will be an improvement.

I'll have a week or so to play with it before I take it out to her. Plan on tweaking the settings the best I can. I'll eyeball it based on my pro calibrated plasma, still think the $300 I paid for the service was money well spend even 3 years on. I'll report back after I play a bit with it.

Glad I could help. Solid value.

Three weeks ago I purchased a 55" Samsung ES8000 from Best Buy. I could not be any happier with my purchase. I like bright. I like "pop". I like sharp. And I like good blacks. It has those things. Its so good that I've done nothing but watch movies for 3 weeks. At some point I will need to mow my lawn.

I think Im going to either go with the Vizio M470VSE or Im going to wait for the 2013 M Series.

I am also considering getting a plasma, maybe the Samsung PN51E550 for $700. I can't find any other 2012 plasmas that are still being sold and the Panny plasmas are just out of my price range on Amazon.

What do you guys think?

I have seen some 60" LG plasmsa's going for under $1000 if that is still in your price range. US Appliance had the LG 60PM6700 for $950 with free shipping. Price showed after final checkout. This was from a few days ago but I think it is still going. Could also possibly have Amazon price match if you prefer to buy through them.

I think the Vizio is a bad choice, and I think E550 from Samsung immensely better.

This has been my default stance for a while now. However, I'm beginning to wonder if Vizio has a place among people who are capable of simply enjoying a Vizio without high expectations.

I'm sure they can. But if someone is asking my opinon, I'm going to recommend a whole heck of a lot before I recommend a Vizio.

panasonic tcp42x5, I know its entry level at best and only 720p. I have to say though, it has a good picture and will work well for mein my game room. I was able to add a WD live and still save a few hundred bucks. Honestly, at this price point its almost disposable. it also doesn't hurt that I get stuff through their direct store.