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post #4651 of 5142
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Originally Posted by Mithalas View Post

1. Budget
~$1000 or less

2. Seating distance
Maybe 8-9', doesn't matter much since we know our size range.

3. Size/placement limitations
46-50"
Picture quality, input lag, and all the other factors are more important to us than debating 46-47" vs. 50".

4. Uses and sources
-Gaming on Steam big picture via HDMI to PC
-Video files via HDMI to PC
-Netflix
-Basic cable via antenna
-Maybe a new gaming console in the future

5. Room lighting
Very bright room that has tons of windows.

Other things
-We're not too excited about 3D, but it would be nice to have for the future.
-Picture quality is very important to us.
-Low input lag is obviously important as gaming is the #1 use.

So far we're considering:
Vizio M501d-A2R
Sony KDL-50R550A
Sony KDL-47W802A

I'm not sure which of these would be best, or if there are others we should be considering. I've been avoiding Samsung and LG as it seems like their options in this size and price range aren't as good as Vizio and Sony, but that's just my impression, so tell me if I'm wrong. Please help, thanks!

Based on your requirements, I'd say the w802a hands down.
post #4652 of 5142
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Originally Posted by garath View Post

Based on your requirements, I'd say the w802a hands down.

Thanks for the feedback. I edited my post to say that we don't play competitive shooters or anything like that, so while low lag is important, it doesn't necessarily have to be the absolute lowest available. Given that, do you think the w802a is still the best?

Also, since it's a little bit above the $1000 budget, what would you say is second-best? Just if I'm not able to make the case for spending a little more.

Thanks!
post #4653 of 5142

1. Budget
Under 1K (arbitrary budget as in this size the "best" spec'd screen I can find is under $600)

2. Seating distance
The TV lift will be placed at the edge of a daybed.  The TV Lift is a Nexus21 unit with swivel.


3. Size/placement limitations
32" screen is as large as I can go

4. Uses and sources
Roku/Smart TV streaming primarily, BD/DVD, OTA HD, some gaming (xbox 360 + future consoles), Skype (where available), potential PC inputs

5. Room lighting
There is a bank of 3 windows directly above the daybed.  There will be shades to deal with the natural lighting.  Overhead pendant style lighting and potentially bookshelf lighting.  All of which is dimmable.

 

More Details:

 

I'm currently working on a project where I am limited to a 32" screen.  The screen will be attached to a Nexus 21 TV lift so it must be VESA compliant.  Budget isn't much of a concern in this size as they just don't get too expensive (6-650 max is seems).  At the moment the only 1080P 120hz lcd I can find is the Samsung UN32F6300 which I've seen in person and is very nice.  Some dimming in the corners but that is to be expected with the edge lit screen I suppose.  That retails around $590 with the only other "high end" 32" tv being a Sony unit that only had 2HDMI and more importantly isn't VESA compliant and therefore not an option.

 

Any options I may have missed?  Is the 6300 worth the extra $250+ or so over the cost of the 5500 (only difference seems to be 60 vs 120hz and 1 extra HDMI on the 6300)?  The tv lift was quite pricey so the extra $250 isn't so much a concern in the big picture.  I'm just trying to get the best quality tv I can cram into the space I have available.

 

What about last year's UN32EH6400 which was a 3d model?  Is the new smarthub and newer processors that much of an improvement?  I generally stay away from buying last year's model when possible but having 3d in this size would be nice as it seems there are zero 32" 3d units in anyone's 2013 line.

 

Oh, and one last thing... anyone ever use the Skype camera accessory?  The Samsung (or aftermarket) keyboards?

 

Thoughts? Any help is appreciated!

post #4654 of 5142
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I am currently in the market for a new set and even though I have more research to do, the ones that I am "stuck" on comparing are these two.

Samsung UN60F8000BF
Sony KDL-55W900A


Ideally, I wish the Sony came in a 60" because that's what I want (I feel 55" is too small and 65" is too big), but I currently have a Sony and it's been good to me so far.

The reviews on CNET for both have been mostly favorable and when comparing them one may outperform the other slightly in one category, but then it would be vice versa in another. Basically it's a virtual tie in their opinion.

Just curious what those here think of these two models and which one is truly the best. Thanks.

I don't think you can go wrong with either one. I went with the W900A because I felt, as did CNET, that it had slightly better picture quality. Also, the fact that I had a Samsung UN55F6350 that failed after 3 days was another factor in my decision.
post #4655 of 5142
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Originally Posted by Mithalas View Post

Thanks for the feedback. I edited my post to say that we don't play competitive shooters or anything like that, so while low lag is important, it doesn't necessarily have to be the absolute lowest available. Given that, do you think the w802a is still the best?

Also, since it's a little bit above the $1000 budget, what would you say is second-best? Just if I'm not able to make the case for spending a little more.

Thanks!

Well I was looking at all the 55-60 inch versions of all those TVs and honestly I believe it to be a toss up in terms of picture quality. Reviews are not always apples to apples and differences may be very minor. I don't think you can do wrong with any of the TVs you are looking at. It just comes down to the incidentals - features, price, etc.

If I was picking for myself, I'd go with the Sony 550a. I was on the fence for the 60" version vs the Panasonic 58E60 I ended up buying. I only went with the Panasonic because of price in the end.
post #4656 of 5142
I'm in the same boat as far as gaming and a very bright room as the poster previously.

I just bought the 550 and it is okay, however I'm thinking of going $500-600 more for the 802a. The gaming on the 550 was fine...but lacked with us coming from a 36" CRT. The lagginess is sill evident for halo but ok for minecraft.

The 550 is good bang for the buck but even in game mode we weren't happy. Why settle since hopefully this tv will be around for years ?

I haven't gotten a good answer relating to the screen reflectivity of the 802a vs the 50r550a...I have a bright room and the 550 was "just" tolerable.
Thanks
post #4657 of 5142
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Originally Posted by hvc700mbuyer View Post

I'm in the same boat as far as gaming and a very bright room as the poster previously.

I just bought the 550 and it is okay, however I'm thinking of going $500-600 more for the 802a. The gaming on the 550 was fine...but lacked with us coming from a 36" CRT. The lagginess is sill evident for halo but ok for minecraft.

The 550 is good bang for the buck but even in game mode we weren't happy. Why settle since hopefully this tv will be around for years ?

I haven't gotten a good answer relating to the screen reflectivity of the 802a vs the 50r550a...I have a bright room and the 550 was "just" tolerable.
Thanks

Best thing to compare reflective is look at it in the store. At the very least you will be able to see the 550a and w802a near each other and judge from there. You have the advantage of having seen the 550 in your environment so you'll have an idea of what you're getting. I'm a little shocked at how reflective my Panasonic e60 is once I got it home. It's more than doable even in my bright room but the screen looked a LOT more matte in the store.
post #4658 of 5142
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Originally Posted by garath View Post

Best thing to compare reflective is look at it in the store. At the very least you will be able to see the 550a and w802a near each other and judge from there. You have the advantage of having seen the 550 in your environment so you'll have an idea of what you're getting. I'm a little shocked at how reflective my Panasonic e60 is once I got it home. It's more than doable even in my bright room but the screen looked a LOT more matte in the store.

Have the store associate turn off the television, then look at it to get an idea of the reflections off the panel.
post #4659 of 5142
hi I did finally drag my butt to bestbuy to look, and to me the 550a, 802a, and the vizio M551d-A2R And the e500-a1 looked all the same. semi reflective....a hazy reflection if you will. So now that puts vizio pretty much back in the mix :-(
Edited by hvc700mbuyer - 10/10/13 at 4:48pm
post #4660 of 5142
Can't trust CNet for reviews anymore. CBS owns them and controls their reviews.

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/201902/cbs-again-impinges-on-cnets-editorial-independence/
Edited by Thud2 - 10/11/13 at 10:12pm
post #4661 of 5142
CBS has always owned c net

ofc they are going to protect their specific vested interest right or wrong while it wasn't the best editorial decision obviously it generated a lot of unfavorable publicity .

When CBS made that decision at the time they probably felt that was their fiduciary duty to themselves ,their stockholders.and investors and their parent company Viacom to protect their interests that would protect them from any controversy in the first place .

Obviously someone in legal or CBS management rightly felt these Dish awards and the other Aero thing may jeopardize on going litigation which may have compelled CBS to that decision . unfortunate as that may be it is business reality.

Rest assured had cnet given either product a bad review deserved or not this conflict would have certainly been brought up folks would be howling so the sensible and only best course of action is to decline to review the products and if asked politely acknowledge a conflict of interest.
that would protect then from any consequences and any possible adverse legal actions if the reviews were not favorable.

OTOH Cnet could have made a better business decisions and realized that with CBS being in pending litigation with Dish and Aero at the time it might seem inappropriate at the least for them to award Dish anything at that time or review Aero products there are certainly many other consumer products equally deserving of an award or editorial coverage .

If the cnet staff does not have enough good sense to consider the interests of the parent company perhaps they should move on or be replaced
after all cnet is a subsidiary of CBS. CBS has the right to set policy and protect their investors and their parent co. (Viacom) in turn from possibly adverse legal decisions .


When the cnet reporters( or whatever ) came to editor he should have said 'sorry we have a conflict of interest there and we need to take another direction',simple as that. done and done. plenty of unemployed journalists out there.

In any event .It should not affect the integrity of cnet hardware reviews in general CBS quit making TV's in the mid 1950's they aren't owned by Westinghouse Electric anymore either. ofc neither is Westinghouse Digital .hopefully from here froward c net will be a little more selective in their editorial reviews . I bought 2 new TV's this year and Cnet reviews pointed me in the right direction .


Personally I don't care if Dish gets an award I reward them every month when I pay my bill that's enough reward right there.
I can't believe the folks at cnet couldn't anticipate unfavorable consequences in both of their actions I guess they aren't so smart after all.
Edited by tubetwister - 10/12/13 at 12:43am
post #4662 of 5142
Okay, I am in the market to replace my 2008 Samsung LN650A-40 LCD which has been a fantastic set and will continue duty in a bedroom or den in my house. So here's some information. BTW, I am looking at the Samsung F6300 series. While I like Samsung I am not opposed to looking into other brands and am aware of the panel lottery in Samsung but really would like more information about that. From what I've read, this only effects the 60" and up panels. Do other brands do this? Also, I would consider Plasma too for better blacks but am leary of drawbacks of Plasma such as weight (in earthquake country) and burn it if that even exists any more.. Thanks and here's my requirements based upon the recommendations in the first post of this thread..

1. Budget

Tight.. Trying to stay under $1500, hopefully $1000 and am not opposed to "Used Like New" from Amazon Warehouse Deals or similar.

2. Seating distance

13 feet but I am also looking at reconfiguring that to make it 10 feet which will also help with the rear surrounds in my 7.1 set up.

3. Size/placement limitations

This will be wall mounted above a fire place at about 4 feet AFF to the bottom of the set.

4. Uses and sources

HTPC mainly with an older Samsung 2500 BD-P for Blu-rays although I mostly rip them to my server now and playback via Media Player Classic - Home Cinema. I don't really care about 3D all that much and because I have an HTPC I don't need an awfully smart TV, just one that can be calibrated. My HTPC also uses an HDHR Prime tuner for CableTV content. Because I only have two sources and 7 HDMI inputs on my AVR, the number of inputs is really not an issue either.

5. Room lighting

Typical Family Room I guess with wood slat blinds on the windows that do a pretty good job cutting out external light. The room has dimmable light fixtures that are typically off for movie viewing but on for basic TV viewing. My current set has a glossy screen that helps with black levels for sure.
Edited by Sammy2 - 10/16/13 at 9:26am
post #4663 of 5142
Hello everyone. I am looking to get a new set...hopefully this week. Last time I bought a TV it took me forever to pick one out, so this time I thought I would see if I could get some help to make my decision quicker.

My budget is around $1055. I get these "points" at work and I have saved them up over the years so I basically can get a free tv worth up to that amount (maybe a tad higher). If it goes over that, I can pay the difference, so budget may be able to extend $100-$200 higher.

I'm looking for at least a 60" right now. The room I use it in can be fairly bright in the afternoons due to sun comming in the windows. At night will be dark of course. As mentioned there are windows close to the tv and a fireplace which can reflect off the screen when I have it on.

3D or SmartTV are not a must, but would be nice. As of now I would only need HDMI connections for a blu-ray player and cable box.

Uses would be tv and dvd/blu-ray movies.

I have narrowed it down to a few models if that helps.

LG 60LN5400 - I have not seen many reviews on this yet so not sure if it is fairly new or not.
Samsung UN60EH6003F
Sharp LC-60LE650U
Vizio E601i-A3
Vizio M601d-A3 - This would probably be max on budget at $1298 at Sam's Club.

I will add one plasma that I have seen also but not sure if it would be the best in my room...
Panasonic TC-P60S60

Thanks for the help.
Edited by jbobb - 10/16/13 at 10:06am
post #4664 of 5142
I'm looking for a tv around the following requirements:

Budget: under 1k
Size: 46-50"
Viewing distance: probably within 10'
Purpose: primarily gaming and blu ray movies
Smart tv: not required (I have Apple TV etc)
3d: not required (I prefer a clear image to a blurry 3d image)

Need something for my wii u and ps3 basically. Currently using a beautiful but tiny 32" Samsung screen.
post #4665 of 5142
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Okay, I am in the market to replace my 2008 Samsung LN650A-40 LCD which has been a fantastic set and will continue duty in a bedroom or den in my house. So here's some information. BTW, I am looking at the Samsung F6300 series. While I like Samsung I am not opposed to looking into other brands and am aware of the panel lottery in Samsung but really would like more information about that. From what I've read, this only effects the 60" and up panels. Do other brands do this? Also, I would consider Plasma too for better blacks but am leary of drawbacks of Plasma such as weight (in earthquake country) and burn it if that even exists any more.. Thanks and here's my requirements based upon the recommendations in the first post of this thread..

1. Budget

Tight.. Trying to stay under $1500, hopefully $1000 and am not opposed to "Used Like New" from Amazon Warehouse Deals or similar.

2. Seating distance

13 feet but I am also looking at reconfiguring that to make it 10 feet which will also help with the rear surrounds in my 7.1 set up.

3. Size/placement limitations

This will be wall mounted above a fire place at about 4 feet AFF to the bottom of the set.

4. Uses and sources

HTPC mainly with an older Samsung 2500 BD-P for Blu-rays although I mostly rip them to my server now and playback via Media Player Classic - Home Cinema. I don't really care about 3D all that much and because I have an HTPC I don't need an awfully smart TV, just one that can be calibrated. My HTPC also uses an HDHR Prime tuner for CableTV content. Because I only have two sources and 7 HDMI inputs on my AVR, the number of inputs is really not an issue either.

5. Room lighting

Typical Family Room I guess with wood slat blinds on the windows that do a pretty good job cutting out external light. The room has dimmable light fixtures that are typically off for movie viewing but on for basic TV viewing. My current set has a glossy screen that helps with black levels for sure.

Anyone? Bueller?
post #4666 of 5142
1. Budget
$2000 or less

2. Seating distance
about 10'

3. Size/placement limitations
60-70"
Wall mount in the living room with lots of windows

4. Uses and sources
-Netflix, Hulu
-Basic cable via antenna, over the air for sports
-Movies

5. Room lighting
Very bright room that has tons of windows.

Other things
-We're not too excited about 3D, but it would be nice to have for the future.
-Picture quality is very important to us

So far we're considering I just looked at the Samsung series.  Couldnt decide between the 60 inch  6300F( $1,500) , 6400F ($1,500), and 7100F($1,999).  Any suggestion or advises on which one is worth getting or any other brands or model worth looking at would be greatly appreciated.
 
I went to best buy and compared the 7100 over the 6000F and notice that the 6000F does tend to show a lag or frame skipping when things are moving fast and that can be annoying.  Is the 240hz that much of an improvement?

Edited by taannerz - 10/16/13 at 11:49am
post #4667 of 5142
BTW, is there a listing by manufacturer someplace indicating the least model that has local dimming? Samsung, for example, looks to start at the F6400 but I am not sure.
post #4668 of 5142
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Originally Posted by hvc700mbuyer View Post

hi I did finally drag my butt to bestbuy to look, and to me the 550a, 802a, and the vizio M551d-A2R And the e500-a1 looked all the same. semi reflective....a hazy reflection if you will. So now that puts vizio pretty much back in the mix :-(

Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one trying to decide, heh. If you thought the 550a had noticeable lag, you should probably just go with the 802a, since the Vizio ones will only be worse when it comes to that.

I, on the other hand, haven't tried any LED TVs yet, so I'm leaning toward the Vizio M501d. I'm not sure I can justify spending $300 more on the 802a for a similar or slightly worse picture quality, 3 fewer inches, and half the lag, since I don't know if I'll notice the lag anyway. If I do notice it, I guess I can always save up a little more and return it for the 802a.

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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

BTW, is there a listing by manufacturer someplace indicating the least model that has local dimming? Samsung, for example, looks to start at the F6400 but I am not sure.

Be careful, not all dimming is equal. From the F6400 CNet review: "This is the least expensive 2013 Samsung LED LCD TV with the Micro Dimming feature, first introduced last year in models like the ES800 series. As in that model, and unlike with true local dimming, the dimming on the F6400 television is software-only and doesn't control the backlight. What this means is that it can't actually make the blacks much darker, like true local dimming can." They go on to say that the F8000 is the cheapest Samsung with real local dimming.
Edited by Mithalas - 10/16/13 at 3:39pm
post #4669 of 5142
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Originally Posted by Mithalas View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

BTW, is there a listing by manufacturer someplace indicating the least model that has local dimming? Samsung, for example, looks to start at the F6400 but I am not sure.

Be careful, not all dimming is equal. From the F6400 CNet review: "This is the least expensive 2013 Samsung LED LCD TV with the Micro Dimming feature, first introduced last year in models like the ES800 series. As in that model, and unlike with true local dimming, the dimming on the F6400 television is software-only and doesn't control the backlight. What this means is that it can't actually make the blacks much darker, like true local dimming can." They go on to say that the F8000 is the cheapest Samsung with real local dimming.

For the price of that line, I'll probably go Plasma..
post #4670 of 5142

Hello,

 

1.  <$550

2.  >39" screen

2.  Excellent Picture Quality (lighting is not a big issue as I can always close the blinds)

3.  Low-latency for gaming. I will use it to game on PC as well as PS4 when it comes out.  Both will hover around 60 fps and black levels will be very important for gaming.

4.  I do not care about smart or 3D features but if they are included that's fine (I know that most decent-picture tvs come with smart/3D).

5.  I will be viewing from between 3' and 12' ( I know it's a big range)

 

Right now my only decent tv ideas are Vizio E420D-A0 and the LG 39LN5700.

 

Any additions or thoughts about these TVs for gaming at 1080P?

 

Thank ahead of time for your help!


Edited by Zefinator - 10/17/13 at 8:24am
post #4671 of 5142
Please clarify. You indicate only a 39" viewing distance.
post #4672 of 5142

I apologize, the screen size should be greater than or equal to 39".  I can adjust my viewing distance accordingly.

 

Thank you!

post #4673 of 5142
For 1080p that puts you at about 6 feet max from the screen.
post #4674 of 5142
SO I've got it down to this the f8000, the w900a or a couple plasmas...vt60 and f8500.

1. Budget:
around $2000

2. Seating Distance:

3. Screen Size
60"

4. Uses and Sources
Gaming (xbox 360 and next gen), movies (streaming and blu ray), regular tv viewing. I'd also like to try out 3d

5. Room Lighting
Movies will be viewed in the dark. Gaming will be done during the day and at night. A couple windows in the room, but at a distance from the tv area.


I'm looking for a 60". I know the w900a is only 55" (why), but I'm willing to take a loss of screen space if it is that much better.
I would be all about a plasma if it were not for the burn in issues. Some people say you don't have to worry, others say it is a problem. I don't want to have to worry about it.

I also hate the soap opera effect. That has to be eliminated.

Anyways, What are your recommendations? Thanks.smile.gif
post #4675 of 5142
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

For 1080p that puts you at about 6 feet max from the screen.

That is why 39" is the minimum screen size I am looking for.  Optimally, I would buy something between 42 and 47" but a very solid 39" tv might sway me.

post #4676 of 5142
Modern Plasma TV does not suffer from permanent burn in. What is your viewing distance?
post #4677 of 5142
viewing distance is about 9'
post #4678 of 5142
You should be between 2 and 2.5 times the diagonal screen dimension away for optimal viewing. At 9 feet that puts you in a 55" to 70" range.
post #4679 of 5142
that's why I'm going 60" amongst other reasons...
post #4680 of 5142

Hey guys, I'm new to the forums and was hoping to get some advice on a new LCD purchase. I'm currently in the market for a new hdtv with the release of the PS4 next month. I will be replacing a 32" 1080p Samsung that I purchased back in 2008. I've been looking at a number of different models that hopefully you guys can help me decide between. :) If it helps, here's a photo of where the TV will be used: http://i.imgur.com/tyHQOr7.jpg

 

1. Budget

I would ideally like to keep the price under $1000 considering I'll be dishing out $400 next month for the PS4.


2. Seating distance

I measured the ideal sitting location to be between 7' and 8' depending on where I'm laying in bed. 

 

3. Size/placement limitations

Would ideally like to go no smaller than 50". I figured if I'm going to upgrade I might as well go big! Also, the dressed the tv will be sitting on is 63" wide so I have quite a bit of space to work with.


4. Uses and sources

I'd say a majority of the use will be on gaming (PS4 & PS3), however I plan on getting an HD set top box once I get a new tv so it will get more use with TV and Hulu/Netflix watching.


5. Room lighting

For the most part my room is fairly dark. My room is in a basement so there is only one small window which is closed most of the time. My room has recessed lighting that I use mostly, but when watching tv/playing games I usually only use the lamp on my night stand.

 

As for tvs I've been looking at, there's been a few. Initially I was pretty much decided on the Panasonic S64 (yes I know it's not LCD), but both Costco's around me were sold out and it is now a "deleted product" in their system. However, while at Costco, I found the TC-XXLE64 (in both 50" and 58" variants) and was blown away with the picture and might be at the top of my list right now. It was the only tv at Costco that was connected to DirecTV so I got to demo the tv pretty well. I've also looked at the Vizio 50" M Series, but wasn't too blown away by the picture at the store. However, my friend has the 47" inch one and is for the most part happy with it. There's also the Sony KDL-50R550A that I've read reviews on and they all seemed pretty positive. 

 

So in closing I'm stuck between deciding between a number of tvs and looking for any advice or other suggestions that I might want to look into. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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