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post #2311 of 3887
1/4/11 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

You will get the lossy 5.1 tracks through the optical connection. Only HDMI will give you the lossless tracks that you were probably seeing with LPCM.
You can connect the optical out of the player to your avr and should get 2 channel SACD. Nothing better as that is per spec.

Upon further review ... over at the Yamaha 661 thread there's been some talk about this issue. Seems the 661 will pass whatever video it's given IF the HDMI handshake works. Some BD players must be set to force 1080/24; then the 661 passes it thru to the TV. Unfortunately, the Sony 570 does not force 1080/24 -- the only choices in setup are auto and off.

So I think I'll change everything back to HDMI path only, view BDs at 1080/60 and take advantage of the lossless MPCM pass thru, SACD audio etc., and sometime down the line upgrade my receiver.

Hope this info helps somebody else, and thanks for your responses.

barry
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post #2312 of 3887
1/4/11 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by orbital517 View Post

Also, the s570 has wifi....so is there a way I can just network it into my computer (running windows 7 operating system) and just stream it wirelessly through the network to view the MKV files? I am using Uverse TV and internet with pro internet speed of 3.0mbps.

Any help at all will be so appreciated.

It was fairly simple for me in Windows7. My PC is set up as a HomeGroup and my settings for that make my pictures, my music and my videos visible in the HomeGroup. Once I did that, my PC showed up as an icon in the XCross menu system for the Sony player. There's a PC icon under the XCross "photos" section, one under "music," and one under "video" all showing the respective content from my PC. Very simple to navigate.

Hope that helps.

Peace,

DM
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post #2313 of 3887
1/4/11 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Hopefully the S570 doesn't tell lies. So: Home->Network Settings->Internet Settings->View Network Status. It tells you the connection type on the top line, along with your SSID, Signal Strength and Security. I show several wireless nodes nearby (using Win7 radar). One is called "Holiday Inn". Closest one is 50 miles away. Someone must have "borrowed" an old router.

I actually found 6 networks of which 2 had stonger signal stength then my own in the next room and those are not even in my building!

Well, I finally bypassed the wireless with fake values and now Netflix appears to operate without the repeated stopping....so far!
It just doesn't make sense that there is no way to shut off the wireless from the sony. If my wife didn't need it for her laptop it would have been an easy matter to disable the wireless at the router. I just hope that this was the problem.
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post #2314 of 3887
1/4/11 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by pbridges View Post

Is anybody outside of the US using this player to access Netflix, Amazon VOD, Pandora etc.?

We have our router set up with USVideo, and it works flawlessly for allowing access to these US services on our Mac, Apple TV, iPad, PS3 and Xbox.

But when we hook up the BDP-S570, it loads Internet video options from Australia only. I've done factory resets, firmware updates, checked all of the other gadgets hooked up to the router (all still perform just fine), but it's just the BDP-S570 that refuses to cooperate and load US service options.

USVideo is not technically a VPN service, but it works great and I can't see why it would work with all these other devices, including another Sony product, but not this player.

The player itself is a region modded BDP-S570/BM-U2 unit I picked up new off a reputable eBay seller.

I really want this to work, because I'd hoped for it to replace my old OPPO and the Apple TV for streaming Internet content and playing Blu-rays and DVDs.

Thoughts or experiences?


This has been discussed ad nauseum:
You cannot access US servers so it won't work, license agreements with the studios do not allow viewing content outside of the US. Then there's the issue of setting up an account with Netflix et al which requires a credit card from a US address. Free websites such as YouTube can work outside of the US if you setup a proxy server. Right now the only other country to access Netflix is Canada but that's because they have their own servers(Netflix.ca), again a US player won't work in Canada.
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post #2315 of 3887
1/4/11 at 8:46am
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Originally Posted by citrus View Post

Could be the router's firmware, "latest" or greatest?

I now have a S570 because of the Netgear wndr3700 latest firmware, WNDR37AV-V1.0.6.98NA; it wouldn't provide ip to the LG 570 & the attached devices show a 169.x.x.x ip (looks like windows default). I disconnected/connected the cable where I also disconnected the HDMI unknowingly (how?!) to no change in status. Rebooted the router & the LG still didn't get an internet connection; that's when I went & got the Sony S570.

When starting to change the players, FINALLY saw that the HDMI was not plugged in. Red face & swearing. But the LG still didn't connect; got the older firmware for the router & everything worked as usual....whew!

Keeping the Sony as it will do SACD as was posted here; will try an SACD cd sometime; wondering if I will get any sound out from the optical port. Will be getting a new receiver around Feb that will have HDMI in/out.

Long story, but did you update the Linksys firmware recently?

Yes, I updated it last week.
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post #2316 of 3887
1/4/11 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by DavoM View Post

It was fairly simple for me in Windows7. My PC is set up as a HomeGroup and my settings for that make my pictures, my music and my videos visible in the HomeGroup. Once I did that, my PC showed up as an icon in the XCross menu system for the Sony player. There's a PC icon under the XCross "photos" section, one under "music," and one under "video" all showing the respective content from my PC. Very simple to navigate.

Hope that helps.

Peace,

DM


But were you able to stream your files smoothly or does it have issues? I was wanting to be able to watch some MKV files as well as some home video files of the family that is in h.264 format.
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post #2317 of 3887
1/4/11 at 8:57am
For NetFlix:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Remote...&asset=&ccode=

Interesting.
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post #2318 of 3887
1/4/11 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

For NetFlix:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Remote...&asset=&ccode=

Interesting.

wow that's interesting. I wonder if existing devices will get a remote, of if we'll be stuck buying a new device, just to have support.
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post #2319 of 3887
1/4/11 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

wow that's interesting. I wonder if existing devices will get a remote, of if we'll be stuck buying a new device, just to have support.

The Netflix implementation on the Sony is very basic, I can't figure how a separate remote would make anything better. Netflix should provide a single interface to everybody, with search and other features found on the PS3. Give us 1080p and 5.1 before the remote!
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post #2320 of 3887
1/4/11 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

The Netflix implementation on the Sony is very basic, I can't figure how a separate remote would make anything better. Netflix should provide a single interface to everybody, with search and other features found on the PS3. Give us 1080p and 5.1 before the remote!

It's not a Netflix remote. Just a Netflix button that takes you instantly to Netflix. Netflix is working on a unified user interface, and the one on the PS3 is the first step to it. The new interface is going to be HTML 5 based, so it will look the same everywhere and updates can be made on the server side. However, not all embedded devices can run HTML 5, so it's going to be some time before you see it everywhere.
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post #2321 of 3887
1/4/11 at 11:38am
Is there a way to remove any of the icons from the sony menu, e.g., remove pandora.
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post #2322 of 3887
1/4/11 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

I actually found 6 networks of which 2 had stonger signal stength then my own in the next room and those are not even in my building!

Well, I finally bypassed the wireless with fake values and now Netflix appears to operate without the repeated stopping....so far!
It just doesn't make sense that there is no way to shut off the wireless from the sony. If my wife didn't need it for her laptop it would have been an easy matter to disable the wireless at the router. I just hope that this was the problem.

I still think using a range extender or Apple Airport Express to extend your wireless signal would be the best way to go. That's what I'm doing and have had absolutely no Netflix problems, even with my relatively slow 2.7 Mps DSL service speed. Your wife might benefit from a closer wifi point, too. But, sounds like you've solved the issue.
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post #2323 of 3887
1/4/11 at 11:45am
A couple of questions for you all. I am going to buy this in the next couple days as it goes on sale at Costco for $130.

Is NTFS recognized yet on a USB external HardDrive? If not, can I reformat my hard drive into exFAT to be recognized?

What would be the best way to play Blu-Ray DVD's that I have backed up to a Seagate External Hard Drive (USB). I back them up in an ISO file to my external drive and would like to be able to plug it in to the SOny and play then on it. I can play them on my PC by mounting the image with a Virtual Drive that I have. I am a bit confused as to whether or not I can do this on the Sony or not. Again, I have no problem backing them up to my external drive (I have a program to do that) in an ISO image, but how can I then view them off of the USB hard drive. My preference would be to do it by plugging the drive into my USB port on the Sony. I do have WIndows 7, btw.

Thank you in advance for any help that you can give me.
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post #2324 of 3887
1/4/11 at 12:11pm
I've watched 3 movies so far and each time I had the screen go blank for a few seconds. Am I experiencing a handshake issue with this player? I never had this problem with my S350. Would switching to a little higher quality monoprice cable help correct this issue??
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post #2325 of 3887
1/4/11 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by arbeck77 View Post

It's not a Netflix remote. Just a Netflix button that takes you instantly to Netflix. .

Even worse. Who needs that ? We can just move the cursor to the icon and press select, what's the big deal ? I really can't see any use for a Netflix button on a separate remote.
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post #2326 of 3887
1/4/11 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

I've watched 3 movies so far and each time I had the screen go blank for a few seconds. Am I experiencing a handshake issue with this player? I never had this problem with my S350. Would switching to a little higher quality monoprice cable help correct this issue??

Is your player still in the return time period ? Maybe exchange it to see if maybe your unit is bad. Especially considering you had the same tv/cable with the older player and it didn't have problems. If a new player does it, then try a new cable. If it happens even then, it may be an incompatibility between the TV and player.
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post #2327 of 3887
1/4/11 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

Is your player still in the return time period ? Maybe exchange it to see if maybe your unit is bad. Especially considering you had the same tv/cable with the older player and it didn't have problems. If a new player does it, then try a new cable. If it happens even then, it may be an incompatibility between the TV and player.

I wonder if its the inability to force 1080p/24 that is my issue. I just got my player last Thursday so I can exchange it out.
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post #2328 of 3887
1/4/11 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Even worse. Who needs that ? We can just move the cursor to the icon and press select, what's the big deal ? I really can't see any use for a Netflix button on a separate remote.

True, and I can do the same thing on my cable box. Yet I still often hit the On Demand button.
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post #2329 of 3887
1/4/11 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Even worse. Who needs that ? We can just move the cursor to the icon and press select, what's the big deal ? I really can't see any use for a Netflix button on a separate remote.

It's the same reason companies pay for endcap displays... it puts their product in the customer's face.
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post #2330 of 3887
1/4/11 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by artshotwell View Post

I still think using a range extender or Apple Airport Express to extend your wireless signal would be the best way to go. That's what I'm doing and have had absolutely no Netflix problems, even with my relatively slow 2.7 Mps DSL service speed. Your wife might benefit from a closer wifi point, too. But, sounds like you've solved the issue.

I was going to use a range extender but then just ran an ethernet cable around doors and under carpet. I didn't want to cut my signal strength in 1/2 with a range extender. I am thinking of just replacing the router with a new Linksys 3000N down the road.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that the problem was resolved.
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post #2331 of 3887
1/4/11 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by arbeck77 View Post

True, and I can do the same thing on my cable box. Yet I still often hit the On Demand button.

That's the same remote you use every day. I am questioning the need of a separate remote , that's all.
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post #2332 of 3887
1/4/11 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by rayfornario View Post

I was going to use a range extender but then just ran an ethernet cable around doors and under carpet. I didn't want to cut my signal strength in 1/2 with a range extender. I am thinking of just replacing the router with a new Linksys 3000N down the road.

I am keeping my fingers crossed that the problem was resolved.

I'm not sure how your signal strength would be cut in 1/2. Mine sure hasn't been.
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post #2333 of 3887
1/4/11 at 3:59pm
You cannot stream MKVs across the network unless you have some kind of transcoder running on your computer (TVersity, PlayOn, etc.)

The player does not recognize NTFS drives, they must be formatted as FAT32. FAT32 will work on drives up to 2TB. The big restriction you might run into is that FAT32 will only allow files of a maximum of 4GB. So, a DVD encoded into MKV/h.264 will be well below that. A blu ray disc will be over it though.

For those having Netflix issues, you might want to check your DNS settings. If you are using Google's free DNS servers for example, Netflix may not be able to determine your geographic location and send your stream from a data center much further away.

Jason
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1/4/11 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by JLester View Post

For those having Netflix issues, you might want to check your DNS settings. If you are using Google's free DNS servers for example, Netflix may not be able to determine your geographic location and send your stream from a data center much further away.

Jason

What DNS servers you use has nothing to do with whether netflix can figure out your geographic location.

Netflix uses your IP address to do that.

Netflix will never know what DNS server you are using. Your computer asks whatever DNS server you have what the IP Address(es) are for the name (netflix.com). The DNS server then communicates that information back to your computer. Your computer (browser or whatever) then uses that information to go to netflix. Netflix never communicates with the DNS server, and the DNS server never communicates with netflix in this process.

Again, netflix is non-the-wiser to what DNS server you are using Period.
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1/4/11 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by JLester View Post

You cannot stream MKVs across the network unless you have some kind of transcoder running on your computer (TVersity, PlayOn, etc.)

The player does not recognize NTFS drives, they must be formatted as FAT32. FAT32 will work on drives up to 2TB. The big restriction you might run into is that FAT32 will only allow files of a maximum of 4GB. So, a DVD encoded into MKV/h.264 will be well below that. A blu ray disc will be over it though.


Jason

I wonder if Sony did that to prevent pirating or copying of blue rays, which some call backing up, without paying for the BD. Otherwise, why not just play the BD on the Blue Ray player. That's what the player is for.

I can play home videos in mpg format from my pc, which is NTFS, on the 570. But for some reason, it won't recognize a file which is 1.50 gig or larger. I wonder if it's for the same reason as not being able to recognize NTFS drives.
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1/4/11 at 5:08pm
Ok so I looked through the thread and noticed others were/are having video dropout issues like me. Their only solution is to turn off 1080p/24. To me this is unacceptable. If your tv is able to handle 1080p/24 then this player should accommodate it without issues. Am I the only one who feels this way? How hard would it be to implement firmware that gave a third option for 1080p/24 that would force 1080p/24 playback? My guess is it wouldn't be hard at all.
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post #2337 of 3887
1/4/11 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by jw00dy View Post

What DNS servers you use has nothing to do with whether netflix can figure out your geographic location.

Thank you. Netflix will determine your location by sniffing your ISP and connection point.
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1/4/11 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

Ok so I looked through the thread and noticed others were/are having video dropout issues like me. Their only solution is to turn off 1080p/24. To me this is unacceptable. If your tv is able to handle 1080p/24 then this player should accommodate it without issues. Am I the only one who feels this way? How hard would it be to implement firmware that gave a third option for 1080p/24 that would force 1080p/24 playback? My guess is it wouldn't be hard at all.

I have had no problem getting 1080/24p to work with my 570 and my Samsung UN6300. Dunno how they do it, but I think I set both to auto and it just seems to happen.
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post #2339 of 3887
1/4/11 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by artshotwell View Post

I'm not sure how your signal strength would be cut in 1/2. Mine sure hasn't been.

Actually I think it is the bandwidth that is cut by 1/2....that is what our IT guy told me. So I sold the Linksys range extender and opted for hardwiring. I plan, if everything with this unit goes well of buying another and putting it in the living room but I will definitely need wireless for that!
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1/4/11 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by jw00dy View Post

What DNS servers you use has nothing to do with whether netflix can figure out your geographic location.

Netflix uses your IP address to do that.

Netflix will never know what DNS server you are using. Your computer asks whatever DNS server you have what the IP Address(es) are for the name (netflix.com). The DNS server then communicates that information back to your computer. Your computer (browser or whatever) then uses that information to go to netflix. Netflix never communicates with the DNS server, and the DNS server never communicates with netflix in this process.

Again, netflix is non-the-wiser to what DNS server you are using Period.

I was paraphrasing without getting into the technical details. I run DNS for several sites and am very familiar with how it works. I know Netflix doesn't know your DNS server, but Akamai uses DNS for geographical info. There was a big article recently about a similar issue with iTunes.

Here is the article.

I don't know for sure that Netflix works this way, but thought it might be worth a shot for those having problems. I am pretty sure Netflix uses Akamai as well, so it could also be affected.
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