Official Sony BDP-S570 Owners Thread - Page 104

I see in an earlier post in this thread that the 580 is going to support NTFS. (which is a huge deal in my opnion)

Was wondering can/will the 570 be updated via firmware to supports NTFS also?

Just bought the 570 a few weeks ago. May jsut return it and wait for the 580

thanks

"Was wondering can/will the 570 be updated via firmware to supports NTFS also?"

As are many of us.

Not exactly sure in general firmware is probably the right term but I'm thinking its more than what we typically do with a firmware upgrade. Supporting NTFS as opposed to FAT32 is more at the operating system level of whatever kernel is being used to put the firmware in. Not sure I'm explaining that correctly. One would think though the ram/rom/eprom chips don't really care one way or the other regarding NTFS/FAT32. Its got to be something in the OS.

As an example many of us took computers which were FAT32, did not change the hardware, but updated the operating system so that our hardware now supported NTFS.

Is it a 100% fact that the 580 WILL support NTFS?

I'm sorry. I'm just amazed by this thread. Almost unbelievable. Just can't believe or understand why people are trying so hard not to watch blu-ray on a blu-ray player. I mean, I understand maybe movies that haven't been released on blu-ray yet, but I just can't imagine not watching a movie in anything less than the best quality after spending this much money on HDTV's and blu-ray players. I know I'll get blasted for this post, and I don't mind it, but that's just my opinion and explanation to the post I replied to.

Maybe it's just that it's pretty good at playing Blu-rays, so there aren't that many questions about it.

That's understandable. You are probably right.

I watched Burlesque on mine last night and it worked just fine. I didn't have any problems.

If it only played a Blu-ray DVD, it would be a very low-end machine. I gave my S360 to my sister when I upgraded to the S570. I like music, and SACD was like discovering a new world. Add the internet access and it was a no brainer. Then I found that SACD worked better with HDMI, so I bought a new AVR that supported DSD. I have a serious case of new cow syndrome.

If the S580 has more internet features and NTFS support I will upgrade shortly. I do have a dozen or so Blu-ray DVDs. I would have to drive over 10 miles to rent one.

This is just the opinion of an old single guy who lives alone with a cat. And the cat doesn't like my music.

On scale of 1-10 how would you rate the move?

I can relate to you on the blu-ray disc part. When I upgraded to blu-ray, all i was looking for was something like HD DVD offered, an upgraded presentation of content in HD. I like some of the additional features of blu-ray such as picture in picture (cine-explore). I've used streaming services, and while I recognized the usefulness of them, I certainly could have lived without the annoyances the online features can bring, including BDLive. Personally I will not be buying a 2011 bd player unless it proves to add something I actually care about such as reliable BD playback. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. I would have been perfectly content with a profile 1.1 player. If I could still buy 1 I'd consider getting another one. The magnavox player I gave to my mom was rock solid. Maybe it was a bit slower then the sony to load, but I want stability over speed. Once the stability exists, then add the speed.

As far as Joe's comment on music goes, I love music myself. I play the guitar. I never invested in DVD-audio or SACD, so that part doesn't matter specifically to me. I still think playing an instrument is more rewarding though

I absolutely agree. BD live is useless. I really wish manufacturers would leave the Internet stuff out of blu-ray players and HDTVs. Then they could focus on what they should. With BD players: reliable disc playback. With HDTVs: screen uniformity and picture quality. That should be the focus. And for those who must stream stuff: a separate set top box. I have an apple tv I bought for a cheap $99. I watch YouTube videos, podcasts, and content where PQ is not as critical. But when I watch a movie, give me the best.

Not everyone wants a bunch of single function boxes. Some of us wish there was one box that could play any optical media (BDs, SACDs, DVD-As, SD DVDs, CDs), stream all common file types (in 1080p with lossless audio...of course), has a built in hard drive for local content, and has a fully functional browser for online content. That way we could get rid of all of our single function boxes and our complex wiring diagrams.

Oh yeah, it needs to be affordable.

Sounds like a computer is suited better for the job then a set top box I know quite a few people have home theater PCs that they are very satisfied with on the forum. They seem more flexible, have better hardware and software, you aren't tied to a firmware, manufactures provide, this gives the user the choice of virtually any os they want. With setop boxes, from what i've seen blu-ray players have a year then they release a new model with new features and hardware, and then last years are abandoned shortly after it seems. I've always been an apple user, and while it's not the best example for blu-ray support, hardware, os, etc I get 5 years or more from each mac before it's time to upgrade. I think a HTPC would personally be more cost effective compared to the set top box method, at least from what I've seen.

Well that's one perspective...but it doesn't reflect actual consumer preferences. 8 out of 10 of the blu-ray player owners I know do not own an HDTV; they bought the players to stream Netflix...period. They don't want a bunch of different boxes and they don't want to have to know about inputs and settings...they just want to watch streaming content on the equipment they have. They would have been satisfied to have streaming on DVD players but that's not a choice the industry offered.

Vendors have definitely responded to customer preferences. While "experts" were rating players using your criteria, customers were posting excoriating online reviews about the omission of key online content. The result was a frantic round of firmware upgrades to include Netflix and other sources. The same thing happened with the industry's lame brained decision to market "wifi-ready" players to a customer base that wanted no hassle wireless connection. Damning reviews about the hassle of finding proprietary dongles led to more players with integrated wireless adapters and they are far less expensive.

[quote=Athenian;20095591][quote=Jeremy32;20094366] I really wish manufacturers would leave the Internet stuff out of blu-ray players and HDTVs. Then they could focus on what they should. With BD players: reliable disc playback. With HDTVs: screen uniformity and picture quality. That should be the focus. And for those who must stream stuff: a separate set top box.

That's a fair and valid point, If i was the average consumer without tech skills, and just wanted everything to work out of the box, without having to worry about buying parts, or if streaming was more important to me then it is, Then I would be very thankful for the approach vendors have taken to package things nicely together. However, I am a video professional, I know what I want, and don't want in a product/setup. I know what features I want, and don't want. I also know that having integration can cause frustration, and problems for features I actually use, by the ones I don't. Are there any options for someone in my case that are more specialized, so I'm not stuck with a bunch stuff I don't want or need? Are there places I can buy video products from that are more specialized that a more experienced person/professional can buy from? I know there has to be options for both sides of the spectrum, but I see mostly the average consumer side here on this forum and it's starting to annoy me to no end, because I really don't feel I'm getting the professional help and guidance I need, on a pro level. I've settled for less then I'd like to have, for budget and living circumstances, but knowledge wise, I don't feel I have found an equal match here. So based on that I feel like I'm settling for settling for frustrations in my setup I could have avoided, if I had found the right crowd to get advice from, from the start. Does anyone have a place where I could be pointed to for more of a specific setup forum, that deals more with prosumer to professional selections?

Thanks

Thank you Alex and Hodgjy, it was the internal volume that was making the PS3 seem a lot louder. It was on +4, I turn it to normal and it's the exact same as the S570.

I also turned on dynamic volume on my AVR and now everything sounds a lot louder at even -35db and consequently makes me feel like my hearing is fine and I'm not going deaf I also don't need to crank it up to hear stuff going on in the rear speakers which was my sticking point, for whatever reason it seemed like I can only hear the awesome surround stuff when the volume was really, really loud... hmm maybe time to get some new speakers.

Anyways thanks for the internal volume tip, didn't even realize the PS3 had that option. or maybe I did and don't remember messing with it.

You know you could adjust the speaker level for your surround speakers on your AVR ? You could increase the level for your surround a few notches if you are experiencing low volume issue.

[quote=MacinMan;20095829][quote=Athenian;20095591]
I can understand your points. If I wanted to delve into the more esoteric issues this would not be my first choice either. I would Bing or Google for a while to see if there was a better forum. I have often thought an HTPC would be a better platform but, sorry, I don't want to spend that much time on entertainment. Someone who plays games would understand. I used to change the oil on my car. Now I pay someone else. I hope you find the answers you are seeking and the level of expertise you need.

There are some truly smart people here. Most are smarter than I am. I always seem to be a year or two behind the technology curve. I hope you can do better.

Oh yeah, I hear the S780 has a Skype interface. Cool.

I would give it a 8. It's a good movie, not a great movie.
Better in Blu-ray with a good audio system.

[quote=JoeKustra;20097864][quote=MacinMan;20095829] Hey Joe,

It would be cool if I could find a company that would custom build me a blu-ray player/setup I know many computer vendors, have custom build computer options, My ideal player for me would be profile 1.1 since I don't use profile 2.0 (BDLive) but have it network accessible strictly for firmware updates only. The probably sounds more like an HD DVD player, but, that's all i want, and need for a BD player.

[quote=MacinMan;20098230][quote=JoeKustra;20097864] What's your budget? It always come down to money and/or time. I would love to build a custom HTPC, but the time to research and integrate everything would be far beyond what I want to spend. The end result would be worth it, but not now. Maybe when 4kx2k comes out. I have BDLive disabled also. I never saw a use for it. Some people never watch TV. Some people never listen to the radio. Each to their own.

Just wondering if anyone knows this or not.

I am trying to see detailed spec of BDP S580 blu ray player from SONY. However could not locate them.

With the minimum spec available on sony site, I observed that bdp S570 has sound output mode as 7.1 channels & surround sound output whereas it is mentioned as Stereo for BDP S580.

I would like to know what does sound output term signify here. I am sure this is not the case but is it like S570 has 7.1 channels sound output mode and BDP S580 does only have stereo sound output mode ?

Can anyone tell me anything that sony BDP S570 has and BDP S580 does not except optical out from the player?

I loved reviews of BDP S570 and was going to buy that but S580 is about to release or released just now and I am now unable to decide due to unavailability of detailed spec of S580.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Doesn't play SACD

[quote=JoeKustra;20099166][quote=MacinMan;20098230]
Hey Joe,

Here is a little bit of background on me, so you know my skill level.

I got my A+ certification in computer repair about 4 to 5 years ago. Now I have an A.S. in Television broadcast production. Putting the side the fact I don't have a steady Job currently, and all I have to live off off currently is my disability income for being legally blind I have a very technical background, both in computers, and in video. I've spent as much as $250 on my panasonic players, and $198, on this sony player. I had purchased the $78 magnavox player from walmart, about a year ago, but gave that one to my mom, for an upgrade to bd, without the stuff she would never use. The thing with me and a budget is, I can afford things in spurts, but not a huge payment up front. To give you a computer skill level, I'm not a fan of windows as a primary os, I use macs for my primary platform because of being a video professional, and the mac os being the most accessible for people with visual impairments. In addition to that, I am currently using virtual machine software to install and learn linux, and FreeBSD, both of which are not something average consumer would use. Freebsd, requires a lot of manual configuration and a learning curve, (as any unix OS) would. For the production side of things, I have my final student project, as the only work I can show currently. Beyond that, The only experience I have, working in the industry is what I got through the student program, working at the school PBS station.

Anyway, after all this, I hope you can better understand why dealing with consumer level products (alone, can irritate me.) items like DVD players i'm ok with. Items like blu-ray players I'd like more options to choose from then your average consumer pre bundled models, sold at your typical walmart, best buy, or other bigbox store.

I have the 380 and it outputs 7.1 via hdmi. So will the 580.

I an issue with my S570, well not an issue, more like a question.

I noticed the player is converting EVERYTHING 1080p24, and by everything I mean DVDs as well as Blu-Rays. I know the player has an "auto" output for Blu-Rays with 24p output, but is it suppose to be doing that to DVDs too? I use to always see 1080p60 output for anything other than BDs. My equipment, TV, Receiver, and player are all new, so I am just getting use to the changes I guess.

As a side note, I admit the whole conversion from and to 24p, 3:2 pulldown, etc has always kind of eluded me. I just know 24p is good and what matches the theaters and a film experience. So maybe it converting DVDs to 24p is a good thing and I should just leave it be?

Did everyone get the update for video on this.....it add a video concert app.....

It showed up on my TV yesterday. It's funny. Every concert is in Sydney. The last catagory is "Australian". As if all the previous concerts are in Sydney, North Dakota.

It about as useful as Music Unlimited. I know about globalization, but Sony has really taken it to a new venue.

Zeonstar,
Something is up with mine too. I tried playing some DVDs of old TV shows, and they were being converted to 24P and causing a jerky picture and picture/sound drop outs. I changed the Cinema Conversion mode from Auto to Video and all the problems went away.
I wonder if there is a bug in the auto detect code that is trying to convert video to 24p when it shouldn't. I have some DVD that do play 60p. Does anyone know how the sony determines if something should be played 24p vs 60p ? What would I be loosing
if I played a 24p dvd in 60p mode ?
Thanks for any help