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post #3871 of 3893
I am getting the "No Disc" message on my Sony BDP-S570. No BR or DVD disc plays anymore. I opened it up. When I try to use it I can see that the head is moving 4 times and the disc just tries to spin a little without getting up in speed at all. I see that some older Sony players had an issue with fuse F402 that was going bad (the solution was to bypass it). Does the Sony BDP-S570 player have the same design issue? Or it's something else?
post #3872 of 3893
Blu-ray players are so cheap these days it's not even worth the time to open them up smile.gif
post #3873 of 3893
Does anyone know what I might be able to do about my menus not appearing? It not only does that, but sometimes, discs just wont load. The player gets stuck. This seems to happen after a disc has been put in the player and I turn it off due to not finishing what I was watching. When I turn it back on to finish the disc, it has problems loading it.
post #3874 of 3893
I just wanted to let everyone know, that my player is going on 3 years old and is still rock solid. I only use it as a backup, or when needed since i have the BDP-S590 units but if one of them broke the 570 could easily be put into use full time, as a disc player streaming services lack now since it's an older player, but even so the services it has such as netflix, i can still use without issues.
post #3875 of 3893
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

I just wanted to let everyone know, that my player is going on 3 years old and is still rock solid. I only use it as a backup, or when needed since i have the BDP-S590 units but if one of them broke the 570 could easily be put into use full time, as a disc player streaming services lack now since it's an older player, but even so the services it has such as netflix, i can still use without issues.
Never had a problem either. I use it almost every day for Pandora (since it buffers) and maybe a BD once a month. I would get a S590 is something dies.
post #3876 of 3893
My 570 is still going strong too. Do you do much streaming (Netflix & Hulu) with the 590 MacinMan? If so, what do you think about the 590 compared to the 570...from a streaming standpoint? What advantages or disadvantages does the 590 have vs the 570?
post #3877 of 3893
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Originally Posted by unavol View Post

My 570 is still going strong too. Do you do much streaming (Netflix & Hulu) with the 590 MacinMan? If so, what do you think about the 590 compared to the 570...from a streaming standpoint? What advantages or disadvantages does the 590 have vs the 570?

The 590 has the most recent netflix interface and supports 1080p 5.1 streams on both amazon, and netflix and other services, DLNA support is much better and doesn't require transcoding as the 570 does. If you have other more in depth questions take a look at:http://www.avsforum.com/t/1396469/official-sony-bdp-s590-and-bdp-390-thread
post #3878 of 3893
hi guys, can you please tell me if the bdp-s570 is still cinavia free with its newest firmware update
thanks
post #3879 of 3893
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Originally Posted by Lee Durbin View Post

hi guys, can you please tell me if the bdp-s570 is still cinavia free with its newest firmware update
thanks

Mine has version M04.R.787. I have not seen an update in a LONG time, probably over a year. I have not had any issues with stuff not playing, but I cannot say for certain that cinavia is not there.
post #3880 of 3893
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Originally Posted by WaltN46 View Post

Mine has version M04.R.787. I have not seen an update in a LONG time, probably over a year. I have not had any issues with stuff not playing, but I cannot say for certain that cinavia is not there.

thanks for the reply
post #3881 of 3893
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

The 590 has the most recent netflix interface and supports 1080p 5.1 streams on both amazon, and netflix and other services, DLNA support is much better and doesn't require transcoding as the 570 does. If you have other more in depth questions take a look at:http://www.avsforum.com/t/1396469/official-sony-bdp-s590-and-bdp-390-thread

Thanks MacinMan. I'll check out that thread.
post #3882 of 3893
I think your issue is with the header compression (Muxing Mode="Header stripping").

I have an S570 and have enjoyed it so far with MKV movies but I have run into MKV glitches that I was able to iron-out.

1) If you try to make your own MKV files, FORMAT=AVC and PROFILE=HIGH@L4.1 is pretty much a given and the player will not play if FORMAT/PROFILE=Main@main or Custom@custom.

2) My S570 won't play the MKV if it has PROFILE=HIGH@L5.1 I think the symptom is not just a "corrupted file/cannot play" message but the player is hang and shutdown after a minute. You can use TS_MUXER to extract the video stream and have it re-labelled as HIGH@4.1 (no video conversion necessary). Most of the time, this re-labelling will work but sometimes there is horrible visual digital artifacts and video conversion is required. Use MKVToolNix to mux that new video stream back into a new MKV file.

3) My S570 won't play an MKV with PROFILE=HIGH@L4.1 if ReFrames are as high as 16frames. I think ReFrames=8frames is the limit for playability. Video conversion is required to reduce the ReFrames of a video stream.

4) My S570 has problems with an MKV if there is any compression in the headers (labelled Header Stripping if there is compression). Use MKVToolNix to mux a new MKV with no compression on the video, audio, and subtitle text streams (no video conversion necessary).

These fixes have solved most of my issues but there are still MKV files that I cannot play for some reason. BTW, when I refer to "play" I mean playing from a BD-R bluray disk or a USB 4gb FAT thumb drive (not the DLNA network).
post #3883 of 3893
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Originally Posted by rlcarr View Post

I'm trying and failing to play a MKV file from the front USB panel. I get no error messages -- it just won't play.

The "mediainfo" program reports:
Code:
General
Unique ID                                : 0 (0x0)
Complete name                            : some-file.mkv
Format                                   : Matroska
Format version                           : Version 2
File size                                : 895 MiB
Duration                                 : 1h 6mn
Overall bit rate                         : 1 882 Kbps
Encoded date                             : UTC 2010-02-22 21:41:29
Writing application                      : no_variable_data
Writing library                          : no_variable_data

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames                : 5 frames
Muxing mode                              : Header stripping
Codec ID                                 : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration                                 : 1h 6mn
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Writing library                          : x264 core 125 r2208 d9d2288
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=19.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile                           : LC
Codec ID                                 : A_AAC
Duration                                 : 1h 6mn
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel positions                        : Front: L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No

The video part of that report is identical to the video part of other MKV files I have played successfully except for the "Muxing mode" field.

And the player's manual says it can handle AAC audio.

So any idea why this won't play?

I think your issue is with the header compression (Muxing Mode="Header stripping").

I have an S570 and have enjoyed it so far with MKV movies but I have run into MKV glitches that I was able to iron-out.

1) If you try to make your own MKV files, FORMAT=AVC and PROFILE=HIGH@L4.1 is pretty much a given and the player will not play if FORMAT/PROFILE=Main@main or Custom@custom.

2) My S570 won't play the MKV if it has PROFILE=HIGH@L5.1 I think the symptom is not just a "corrupted file/cannot play" message but the player is hang and shutdown after a minute. You can use TS_MUXER to extract the video stream and have it re-labelled as HIGH@4.1 (no video conversion necessary). Most of the time, this re-labelling will work but sometimes there is horrible visual digital artifacts and video conversion is required. Use MKVToolNix to mux that new video stream back into a new MKV file.

3) My S570 won't play an MKV with PROFILE=HIGH@L4.1 if ReFrames are as high as 16frames. I think ReFrames=8frames is the limit for playability. Video conversion is required to reduce the ReFrames of a video stream.

4) My S570 has problems with an MKV if there is any compression in the headers (labelled Header Stripping if there is compression). Use MKVToolNix to mux a new MKV with no compression on the video, audio, and subtitle text streams (no video conversion necessary).

These fixes have solved most of my issues but there are still MKV files that I cannot play for some reason. BTW, when I refer to "play" I mean playing from a BD-R bluray disk or a USB 4gb FAT thumb drive (not the DLNA network).
post #3884 of 3893
I've had this player for over two years now, have had the occasional problems like freezing and unplugging or taking too long to turn off with the "See You" message blinking. But for the most part, it's been reliable, not bad for a refurbished purchase from eBay at about half the price of new.

Now, I bought a newer version of this (refurbished BDP-BX59, same as the S590) and will be using that as my main BD player and using the old BX57/S570 in the bedroom.
post #3885 of 3893
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Originally Posted by mcbaes72 View Post

I've had this player for over two years now, have had the occasional problems like freezing and unplugging or taking too long to turn off with the "See You" message blinking. But for the most part, it's been reliable, not bad for a refurbished purchase from eBay at about half the price of new.

Now, I bought a newer version of this (refurbished BDP-BX59, same as the S590) and will be using that as my main BD player and using the old BX57/S570 in the bedroom.
Why not go all the way to a S790?
post #3886 of 3893
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Originally Posted by JoeKustra View Post

Why not go all the way to a S790?

I nearly bought the S790, debated about it for almost a week, read enough mixed reviews on Amazon and on the S790 thread here at AVS to convince me it may not be worth getting. I've seen prices in the $230 + range (new) on eBay, Amazon, etc. The cheapest I found it was $185 used on B&H, nearly pulled the trigger, but their Live Chat rep didn't know if the case was like new or all scratched up. Trying to justify spending that kind of dough, I'd rather buy a PS3 slim instead. Funny, I spent thousands on HT equipment with brands like Oppo, Denon and Paradigm, now I'm penny-pinching even on mid-level equipment...getting old I guess.
post #3887 of 3893
Has anyone tried one of Sony's new "Mastered in 4K" Blu-rays like Ghostbusters, Taxi Driver, Spider-Man or the new Total Recall? I'm using my S570 with a Mitsubishi 1080p TV, and to play the new "Mastered in 4K" titles I have to switch the color from "Auto" to "RGB." Somehow the extra color information encoded on the discs is confusing the player and, if you leave the color on "auto," the picture plays with a very dark grey cast over everything that is not watchable. I must say that the picture quality, especially on Ghostbusters, is pretty impressive and an improvement over the first release, but does anyone else have to switch to RGB to get these 4K titles to work on a regular HDTV?
post #3888 of 3893
I didn't realize there was such thing as a 4k dvd.

But once you got the color set right, how did the picture compare to BluRay?
post #3889 of 3893
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Originally Posted by frankpc3 View Post

I didn't realize there was such thing as a 4k dvd.

But once you got the color set right, how did the picture compare to BluRay?

It's actually a regular Blu-Ray disc with a higher bit-rate. The original film is scanned and mastered in 4K resolution and then converted to a regular 2K disc. The idea is to remove all added features on the disc to maximize the disc for the movie itself with less compression. Since there is less compression, the movie "should" look better, but I think most of the improvements may be from the re-mastering itself. This is similar to the old "SuperBit" DVDs Sony released a while ago.

On a side note: You won't see the last three Star Wars movies in true 4K. They were one of the first movies filmed with digital cameras and it "only" had 2K resolution.
post #3890 of 3893
Interesting!

I suppose I understand that there is more data to display, but does the picture actually look different on a 1080p screen?

I saw a 4k TV at a nearby furniture store. I think it was an LG, but not sure. It was $17k. The demo disk(??) was amazing on that screen. Does the availability of this 2k disk mean that it would look twice as sharp as a standard BluRay disk on the 4k, but still not take advantage of the full 4k resolution available? Not sure of the size of the screen.... 90"? It did look perfect.
post #3891 of 3893
I've looked at the Spider-Man, Ghostbusters, Taxi Driver and Total Recall (2012) "Mastered in 4K" Blu-rays on my 1080p TV. The only one that really has a notable picture improvement is Ghostbusters, but that could just be because of a better remastering, like Jon S said. You notice maybe a little bit more fine detail on the other three titles but, really, it's not worth a double dip on those especially if you lose all the extras. I don't have a 4K TV so I'm not sure if these discs upconvert better on sets like that.
post #3892 of 3893
Interesting!

I should have asked a salesman about the 4K. I just assumed there would be nothing better than BluRay that would play on it. I would think that if there was a movie that would do it justice, that movie would have been playing. But from what you are saying, the quality of these 2k blurays, would not be as impressive as whatever the demo was that was playing. It was truly impressive. It was perhaps a 3 or 4 minute loop and I watched several times.

Thanks for the information.
post #3893 of 3893
I guess I should update. I bought a new router, an Asus and everything works great! I do have it hard wired for a better connection. Buffering is thing of the past.smile.gif
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