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Starting a new thread for this, since I read some news tonight.. and there doesn't appear to be a thread yet for the new series this year.

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Originally Posted by ICv2 Web site View Post

Doctor Who Premieres April 17th

In U.S.

Published: 02/26/2010 12:20am
BBC America has announced that the fifth season of Doctor Who will premiere in the U.S. on April 17th, two weeks after its UK premiere.

There's a tad more at the Web site here, and no doubt countless other sites by now spreading the news...
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Canadian viewers are still in search of an HD carrier for DW Series 5. After the CBC declined to pick up Series 4, it was picked up CTV's sister channel Space, which does not have HD.

In my opinion, DW is mainstream enough it should be shown on CTV which is in HD. Hope CTV can find a spot in it's lineup for it -- even if it's latenight or weekends.
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Many Americans are also still in search of an HD carrier for Doctor Who S5, since there are still many providers who do not carry BBC America HD!
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Many Americans are also still in search of an HD carrier for Doctor Who S5, since there are still many providers who do not carry BBC America HD!


Come on DirecTV? Make use of that new bird that you launched that we are paying for!
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So, is this the first one with the new Doctor?
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So, is this the first one with the new Doctor?



I like that question.
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Dish now has BBCHD
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Whoops! Meant to say Dish is now carrying BBCAmericaHD
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If the BBC really starts on or around April 3rd, I probably won't wait the 2 weeks. (Sorry, but I am a die-hard fan.) Having said that, I will also probably rewatch them 2 weeks later so I get the full HD experience. (Or TWC's approximation of it.)

I am incredibly excited to see the new series under the control of Steven Moffat.
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So, is this the first one with the new Doctor?

So no one nitpicks this question on you...

The answer is technically yes and no

Series 5 (or whatever they decide to call it, as last word was they were still mucking with that)... will be the first series to star Matt Smith as the new Doctor... but technically speaking, we got a minute or so of him at the very end of "The End of Time" Part 2 post-regeneration.
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If the BBC really starts on or around April 3rd, I probably won't wait the 2 weeks. (Sorry, but I am a die-hard fan.) Having said that, I will also probably rewatch them 2 weeks later so I get the full HD experience. (Or TWC's approximation of it.)

I am incredibly excited to see the new series under the control of Steven Moffat.

Not a big fan of downloading and viewing on the computer. The only time I've done that is a couple of times when my DVR hiccuped and I missed a show, so I then went and bought it on iTunes to catch up what I'd missed.

As a rule I really prefer watching on my main HDTV big TV... so I don't mind at all just a 2 week delay in airing. Compared to the olden days when it could be a year or more delay, 2 weeks is like no wait at all once you've waited for that first new episode.
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So no one nitpicks this question on you...

The answer is technically yes and no

Series 5 (or whatever they decide to call it, as last word was they were still mucking with that)... will be the first series to star Matt Smith as the new Doctor... but technically speaking, we got a minute or so of him at the very end of "The End of Time" Part 2 post-regeneration.

Ah yes. Same doctor, new look. Although to be fair, wouldn't every Doctor have to act and speak the same since it's technically the same guy? I saw a lot of similarities in Eggleston (prob spelled that wrong) and Tenent's (him too) broad acting style. Maybe that was deliberate...?
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Although to be fair, wouldn't every Doctor have to act and speak the same since it's technically the same guy?

Nope. The memories are saved but the body and personality are brand new. The name's the same but almost everything else is different.
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Ah yes. Same doctor, new look. Although to be fair, wouldn't every Doctor have to act and speak the same since it's technically the same guy? I saw a lot of similarities in Eggleston (prob spelled that wrong) and Tenent's (him too) broad acting style. Maybe that was deliberate...?

If you watch The End of Time, The Doctor explains that the old Doctor really dies when he regenerates - his personality is gone, and the new guy has his own style and personality. Each new Doctor appears to be younger than the last - that's probably due to an effort to connect with the younger generation. You will miss the old Doctor(s) because they will never come back, except in those rare crossover episodes. Of course, we thought once a companion left the show, we never saw them again, either, but RTD kept bringing them back incessantly.
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Just watched 'City of Death' with Tom Baker last night. What fun.
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Yeah, the show has the built-in explanation from years ago that the new personality/actor can be as different as he wants to be.

That said, some of the actors have been fans of the show and other previous Doctors... and as such they might choose to incorporate mannerisms or other aspects of that into their incarnation... which is a nice tribute but also helps add to the acceptance that it is the "same" person.
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Not a big fan of downloading and viewing on the computer.

Who said anything about not watching it on my main TV?

I just don't understand why a 2 week delay (again I am assuming it will be a 2 week delay, the BBC still hasn't given an official date) is needed. If *I* can get it the day it airs in the UK, surely BBC America should be able to air it on the same day. If they choose not to, then I choose not to wait two weeks.
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Each new Doctor appears to be younger than the last - that's probably due to an effort to connect with the younger generation.

While this has been the case so far with Doc's 9-11 in the "new" series, this was definitely not always the case in the classic series. In fact, new head honcho Moffat had plans to cast someone older than Matt Smith (mid 30s - mid 40s was the age Moffat thought he wanted), but apparently Smith blew him away at his audition.
post #19 of 208
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I just don't understand why a 2 week delay (again I am assuming it will be a 2 week delay, the BBC still hasn't given an official date) is needed. If *I* can get it the day it airs in the UK, surely BBC America should be able to air it on the same day. If they choose not to, then I choose not to wait two weeks.

I don't know that it is "needed"... but that's what they are doing. Last year they showed Torchwood: Children of earth only 1 week after it debuted in the UK... and the last couple of Who specials aired only 1 day after they aired in the UK.

I won't speak on the topic of how illegal/unauthorized downloads spread so fast too much, because I don't want to sound like I'm bashing you or others who do it... but suffice to say that any bootleg process is fairly easy to go viral, especially in today's digital age... because the bootlegger bypasses most of the normal distribution system that sometimes bogs things down.
post #20 of 208
BBC America is not a co-producer of Doctor Who, as CBC (in Canada) was for the first few seasons of the new Doctor Who (2005-7), so it has to buy this program from the UK. It does not get BBC content free.

BBC America was a co-producer of Torchwood just like BBC and HBO were co-producers of the Rome series.
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If the BBC really starts on or around April 3rd, I probably won't wait the 2 weeks. (Sorry, but I am a die-hard fan.) Having said that, I will also probably rewatch them 2 weeks later so I get the full HD experience. (Or TWC's approximation of it.)

You can get the HD versions (in 720p, anyway) without waiting the two weeks, since they will be on BBC-HD in Britain. Not advocating anything one way or another...just noting the existence of the higher resolution files.
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I don't know that it is "needed"... but that's what they are doing. Last year they showed Torchwood: Children of earth only 1 week after it debuted in the UK... and the last couple of Who specials aired only 1 day after they aired in the UK.

Exactly! If they could do the specials the next day, why can't they do season 5 the next day or within a few days? BBCA has to know there are a bunch of die hard losers like myself who can't wait weeks for their favorite show to air. The 2 final specials did record ratings for BBCA, and I would hazard to guess with a 2 week delay the new series won't better those numbers. I would much prefer to watch it in HD on BBCA, but I want to know what happens, so I am not willing to wait that long. Anyway, I'm happy it still has a US home (albeit on an obscure channel that spends most of its time airing bad reality shows), but what would REALLY make me happy is if they'd just release the Blu-Rays right away!
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Torchwood: Children of Earth aired two weeks after UK broadcast, not one. Back in early 2009, BBCA actually announced it would air the same night, but by June, they changed their minds so that Torchwood could be part of the grand launch of BBCA HD the week of July 20 (and, as we all saw, no one had access to BBCA HD that first week, so there ended up being no reason for them to postpone it two weeks!).

I consider Doctor Who an "international" show with a worldwide fanbase -- just look at Who message boards/forums, there are people logging on from many countries. With such a prestige worldwide series, and the fact that BBCA aired End of Time just one night after UK broadcast (if Christmas had been on Saturday instead of Friday last year, I'm sure BBCA would have aired End of Time the same night), there is no need to wait two weeks.

Think about the reverse -- there are a number of "high-profile" US shows that air in the UK the same week. I bet lots of UK Lost fans would go online if they had to wait two weeks for a new episode (Lost currently airs Tuesday night in the US and Friday night in the UK -- just three days later).

I think an article about BBCA I read in late December 2009 sums up why we aren't getting Who until two weeks later. The higher-ups at BBCA who were interviewed said that since the final Tennant specials were such an "event," they wanted to get them on in the US ASAP (perhaps to avoid "online" viewing). BBCA probably doesn't consider the start of a "regular season" - especially with a "non-Tennant" in the lead role - an "event," so they think Who fans won't mind a two-week wait. (They're wrong in my case, as I'll be watching the same night as the UK -- wink, wink.)
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This is not the thread to bash folks for online downloading, so I won't do that...

But I do have a question... I understand completely the series that aren't imported to the US on any channel... or back when it was a year or more before we got a show like Doctor Who in the US... but 2 weeks?

At this point, we have waited since January 1st... which by the time April rolls around will be 3 months... so what's another 2 weeks?

It isn't like sports where you have to not watch any TV to miss the score for the game you haven't seen... It's pretty easy to avoid spoilers if you want from a UK show... and once you wait those "extra" 2 weeks, then you get a new show every week roughly for the whole series.

I truly understand the gotta-watch-it-now mentality.. I open stuff in the car on the way home if I'm not driving! But 2 weeks is not enough to even make me notice... especially if I just train myself that April 17th is the start of the season and ignore the fact that it aired already in the UK.

Also, at least in my case... Dish finally picked up BBC America HD, so I'll get to see in HD this time around without having to wait for the Blu rays like with the specials last year.
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My biggest beef with the BBC-A airings is that they will likely be edited down to fit in an hour block with commercials. This is just like the Top Gear episodes they show.

At least with Doctor Who, the DVD/Blu-rays are uncut. We can't even buy uncut Top Gear episodes, they are all the edited BBC-A versions.
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my biggest beef with the bbc-a airings is that they will likely be edited down to fit in an hour block with commercials. This is just like the top gear episodes they show.

At least with doctor who, the dvd/blu-rays are uncut. We can't even buy uncut top gear episodes, they are all the edited bbc-a versions.

+10000000000000000000000
post #27 of 208
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This is not the thread to bash folks for online downloading, so I won't do that...

But I do have a question... I understand completely the series that aren't imported to the US on any channel... or back when it was a year or more before we got a show like Doctor Who in the US... but 2 weeks?

Why might folks choose the downloads instead of waiting two weeks?
Aside from impatience, I can think of several reasons...
  1. Not wanting to have to look at a bunch of snipes and on-screen cluttter
  2. Not having access to BBCA-HD, the downloads can look better than the SD version of BBCA
  3. Not subscribing to a pay TV service...or if a subscriber, not taking a package that includes BBCA
  4. Concerns about edits made to allow for commercials in US broadcasts (although I don't understand why BBCA can't run "Doctor Who" uncut, considering that it usually runs under 44 minutes in Britain)

I'm sure that others can come up with additional reasons.
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Why might folks choose the downloads instead of waiting two weeks?
Aside from impatience, I can think of several reasons...
  1. Not wanting to have to look at a bunch of snipes and on-screen cluttter
  2. Not having access to BBCA-HD, the downloads can look better than the SD version of BBCA
  3. Not subscribing to a pay TV service...or if a subscriber, not taking a package that includes BBCA
  4. Concerns about edits made to allow for commercials in US broadcasts (although I don't understand why BBCA can't run "Doctor Who" uncut, considering that it usually runs under 44 minutes in Britain)

I'm sure that others can come up with additional reasons.

To be fair, though... Those aren't reasons against waiting 2 weeks. If you're in line at Burger King and the wait is going to be too long, you wouldn't go rob a Wendy's would you?

If the line at the post office is too long, you don't go sneak in the back of a UPS to avoid paying...

So, I'm failing to see the how the 2 week delay justifies the download.

Like I said.. I don't want to devolve the very thread I started into the "is it ok to download" arena... but I don't see how I can justify that it's ok just because of the delay.

Meanwhile... anxiously awaiting April to see how the new Doctor takes the reigns.
post #29 of 208
Doctor Who is a show with an international fanbase, like Lost. I read a number of Who and Lost forums/message boards, as well as US & UK news websites, that discuss new episodes as soon as they air.

Lost airs on Tuesday nights in the US and Friday nights in the UK (just three days later). If I lived in the UK, I'd have to avoid certain forum threads for three days, but would have time to read and respond before the next new episode aired.

If BBCA had decided to air Doctor Who the same week (which I don't think is an unreasonable expectation, considering the show's large international fanbase -- just like Lost), I'd watch it first on BBCA. However, with a two-week delay, I'll watch online the same night as the UK.

Now, what about a show like Being Human? Season 2 just finished in the UK, but BBCA has decided to wait until "late summer" to air it, even though they could easily air it now on Sunday nights in place of endless Brit Movie repeats. So, because BBCA has decided not to air Being Human in a timely manner even though they could, we should just patiently wait six months??

I guess BBCA considered End of Time a "special event" and aired in one day after UK broadcast so people would watch on BBCA instead of online, but don't consider the new season of Who as important, hence a two-week delay. (If BBCA are legally required to wait one day, why not put Who on Sunday nights one day after UK broadcast?)
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The same goes for Top Gear as well. The 'new season' they are constantly advertising is Series 13 that aired in the summer of 2009. There's already been a 7 episode series 14 since then. You'd think BBC-A would have rushed through Series 13 as quickly as possible to get to the HD Series 14 to promote BBC-A HD. This is on top of 10 minutes being chopped out of the episodes along with very inconsistent censorship.

If they would simply run the full episodes, uncut, uncensored, in a timely manner; they would kill the motivation that most people have to pirate (which is a gray area when it comes to Top Gear anyways as the torrent sites seem to almost have the blessing of the Top Gear producers.)

I misspoke before about not being able to buy the uncut episodes, you actually can over the Xbox Live/Zune marketplace (at least I think you can given the fact that they are all listed as 1hr.) The only problem is you have to wait until they air on BBC-A first. At the rate BBC-A is going, you may be able to start buying series 14 sometime after series 15 finishes airing in the UK.
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