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[Post 2329]
Author : jehanzeb
Date : 02-26-10 04:52 PM
Which flavor did you get?
Thanks, D.T.MIKE! They sold out of Moho Diamond so next batch should have them. Can't wait.
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[Post 2330]
Author : JoshKo
Date : 02-26-10 05:52 PM
Publish Date: 2/26/2010
Longmont man indicted on suspicion of charity fraud
© 2010 Longmont Times-Call
LONGMONT - A statewide grand jury on Friday indicted a Longmont man on suspicion of running illegal charity raffles, according to the Colorado Attorney General's Office.
Mark L. Schifter, 54, president of
www.********** and Perpetual Technologies, was accused in a five-count indictment of making to the tune of $180,000 by defrauding 707 people in 27 illegal raffles heled from 2004 through 2009. According to the attorney general's office, only $29,500 was distributed to charities. Some charities reported receiving nothing.
http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=20988http://www.timescall.com/assets/pdf/...indictment.pdf
Just another word to the wise about purchasing an MFW.
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[Post 2331]
Author : Jed M
Date : 02-26-10 05:59 PM
Publish Date: 2/26/2010
Longmont man indicted on suspicion of charity fraud
© 2010 Longmont Times-Call
LONGMONT - A statewide grand jury on Friday indicted a Longmont man on suspicion of running illegal charity raffles, according to the Colorado Attorney General's Office.
Mark L. Schifter, 54, president of
www.********** and Perpetual Technologies, was accused in a five-count indictment of making to the tune of $180,000 by defrauding 707 people in 27 illegal raffles heled from 2004 through 2009. According to the attorney general's office, only $29,500 was distributed to charities. Some charities reported receiving nothing.
http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=20988http://www.timescall.com/assets/pdf/...indictment.pdf
Just another word to the wise about purchasing an MFW.
I think that qualifies as negative. Reread the thread title.
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[Post 2332]
Author : Grandarf
Date : 02-26-10 06:05 PM
Publish Date: 2/26/2010
Longmont man indicted on suspicion of charity fraud
© 2010 Longmont Times-Call
LONGMONT - A statewide grand jury on Friday indicted a Longmont man on suspicion of running illegal charity raffles, according to the Colorado Attorney General's Office.
Mark L. Schifter, 54, president of
www.********** and Perpetual Technologies, was accused in a five-count indictment of making to the tune of $180,000 by defrauding 707 people in 27 illegal raffles heled from 2004 through 2009. According to the attorney general's office, only $29,500 was distributed to charities. Some charities reported receiving nothing.
http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=20988http://www.timescall.com/assets/pdf/...indictment.pdf
Just another word to the wise about purchasing an MFW.
I think that qualifies as negative. Reread the thread title.
Right! Let him defraud people in peace!!!
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[Post 2333]
Author : Shed
Date : 02-26-10 06:06 PM
I think that qualifies as negative. Reread the thread title.
I don't think that a statement of fact qualifies as personal bashing or negativity. This may be an important relevant consideration for anyone thinking about making a purchase.
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[Post 2334]
Author : Grandarf
Date : 02-26-10 06:07 PM
What that he scammed people? Look, no negativity in this thread, it's simple, it's negative, it shouldn't be posted here. People want to read the only the positive. Ok, actually, a scammer is being brought to justice... That's pretty positive!
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[Post 2335]
Author : FoSheezy
Date : 02-26-10 06:09 PM
Shady dude, but awesome subs!!!!
well, sometimes...
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[Post 2336]
Author : gonk
Date : 02-26-10 06:23 PM
i think that qualifies as negative. Reread the thread title.
:d
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[Post 2337]
Author : diamonddelts
Date : 02-26-10 09:20 PM
Publish Date: 2/26/2010
Longmont man indicted on suspicion of charity fraud
© 2010 Longmont Times-Call
LONGMONT - A statewide grand jury on Friday indicted a Longmont man on suspicion of running illegal charity raffles, according to the Colorado Attorney General's Office.
Mark L. Schifter, 54, president of
www.********** and Perpetual Technologies, was accused in a five-count indictment of making to the tune of $180,000 by defrauding 707 people in 27 illegal raffles heled from 2004 through 2009. According to the attorney general's office, only $29,500 was distributed to charities. Some charities reported receiving nothing.
http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?ID=20988http://www.timescall.com/assets/pdf/...indictment.pdf
Just another word to the wise about purchasing an MFW.
Like I said before. I would not touch anything from this shady p.o.s. with a 10 foot pole. It's already sad enough that people have been buying these things with future repairs in mind already. Definitely not a quality product. Nor a honorable owner.
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[Post 2338]
Author : cschang
Date : 02-26-10 09:50 PM
Like I said before. I would not touch anything from this shady p.o.s. with a 10 foot pole. It's already sad enough that people have been buying these things with future repairs in mind already. Definitely not a quality product. Nor a honorable owner.
I agree with you, but many people look the other way when they think they are getting a great deal.
Another article in the Denver Post:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14...#ixzz0ghAw887f
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[Post 2339]
Author : goonstopher
Date : 02-26-10 09:54 PM
This is 100% relevant because if the company faces financial issues and the owner is either serving time or getting crazy fines then the technical support can't be there if the company doesn't have the funds.
This could get even worse for them if it brings up the issue of all the pre-sale scams.
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[Post 2340]
Author : theelviscerator
Date : 02-26-10 09:55 PM
I just disagree with the general tone of the people who insinuate somehow being a customer of MLS makes you a criminal also.
Hindsight is twenty twenty, and merely owning an MFW doesnt make you a crook.
Say what you will, some good speakers did exit the factory.
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[Post 2341]
Author : Hksvr4
Date : 02-26-10 10:08 PM
I think that qualifies as negative. Reread the thread title.
Reread the thread. This thread is full of negatives.
I have been following the MFW-15 since it came out. At first I was saving up for the sub but when I have enough funds to order one, the problem started happening. It's a good thing I didn't buy one. Now this happened. I heard about his "charity" work as well. I also read about not giving back. I didn't believe it until now.
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[Post 2342]
Author : cmryan821
Date : 02-26-10 10:12 PM
I just disagree with the general tone of the people who insinuate somehow being a customer of MLS makes you a criminal also.
Hindsight is twenty twenty, and merely owning an MFW doesnt make you a crook.
I must have missed where anyone said that owning av321 stuff made you a criminal. I don't think mls apologists have done the public at large any favors but I still wouldn't call them criminals.
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[Post 2343]
Author : monomer
Date : 02-26-10 10:16 PM
If MLS is convicted and does time, would anyone care to speculate on what effect this might have on the operations at AV123? and subsequent MFW support?
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[Post 2344]
Author : JoshKo
Date : 02-26-10 10:19 PM
If MLS is convicted and does time, would anyone care to speculate on what effect this might have on the operations at AV123? and MFW support?
monomer,
I think you know the answer to that question.
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[Post 2345]
Author : godzen
Date : 02-26-10 10:22 PM
If MLS is convicted and does time, would anyone care to speculate on what effect this might have on the operations at AV123? and subsequent MFW support?
down the drain. Legal fees are not cheap. I love my MFW-15 especially for the price I paid. Not going to stress out too much if this company goes under. I'm sure mark seaton will come out with his kick-ass mfw-15 turbo kit soon.
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[Post 2346]
Author : Randy Bessinger
Date : 02-26-10 10:30 PM
I just disagree with the general tone of the people who insinuate somehow being a customer of MLS makes you a criminal also.
WHo insinuated that? That would not be very logical. That being said, certainly both current owners with warranty left and potential owners would be interested in a company where the viablity of the company is questioned because the owner may go to jail. MLS has not been convicted but the charity issues have been well vented here and elsewhere and many have seemed to think it wasn't relevant or was explainable (you know he said he is sorry and trying to make things right besides it is all those negative people like well Chu). The grand jury seems to think differently.
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[Post 2347]
Author : Grandarf
Date : 02-26-10 10:32 PM
The company is already strapped for cash, the result of this fraudulent criminal behavior might just be the last nail in the coffin. He's been digging his own grave scamming people... The closure of this rotten ID company might be imminent... Certainly I wouldn't invest in this company or their products... And imho, them closing shop might not be such a bad thing, would at least prevent others of getting scammed, like the what, 700 mentioned people?
Even non-discontinued products seem to have no replacements parts, I can't imagine now with these legal issues how the service or the company will be. And it should definitely damage the company, if it doesn't, and that doesn't discourage people to do business with them, then imho that raises question about the ethics of the people involved. It doesn't make them criminals, but surely it speaks loud and clear that if there's a buck to be made, they have no issue dealing with scammers, people who have stolen charity money, etc. and that speaks volume about them...
They, av321.gone, were always pretty much centered on the hype that this one mascot character presented. The Santa persona, the such a nice and generous guy, the charities, the special sales... Now that he's been exposed as the scammer that he is, they should go down the drain. But hey, other scammers, Peter Poppoff for example,
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...q=peter+popoff were also exposed, and some brain dead morons are still willing to trust him and send him their money... So who knows, if some still hold the illusion that they're getting a superior product (for whatever reason), and that this guy is so nice that he's selling speakers under cost and whatnot, then maybe they'll survive... People's memory are short, I'm sure some won't even by phased by any of this, they'll make up some excuses and rationalizations about how this happened so that it doesn't contradict their beliefs that this guy and company was something fantastic... Some in the av321.gone forums are feeling bad for the guy, because, according to them, he must feel so bad... Yeah sure now that he's caught... For years he had no issue scamming all those people, for the tune of 150,000$ Jebus... Wake up people...
Like I said before. I would not touch anything from this shady p.o.s. with a 10 foot pole. It's already sad enough that people have been buying these things with future repairs in mind already. Definitely not a quality product. Nor a honorable owner.
Two years ago, maybe even less, you'd have been crucified for these words. Hell, even I was somewhat fooled. I knew something was definitely off with them, but I was only seeing the tip of the iceberg, it was well worst that I could even imagine. But some didn't even see the iceberg, they saw a mirage, the paradise island... And oh boy did they hate it when someone didn't see what they saw...
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[Post 2348]
Author : monomer
Date : 02-26-10 10:33 PM
monomer,
I think you know the answer to that question.
Actually I don't know nearly as much as you might be giving me credit for... are MLS and AV123 inseparable entities that should he go down doing hard time with some big guy named Bubba as a cell mate, do all company operations just cease? or what? Is it possible the company might be able to recover once MLS is hampered from doing marketing and decision making capacities and essentially kept out of the way for awhile? or is it too late?
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[Post 2349]
Author : JoshKo
Date : 02-26-10 10:36 PM
monomer,
If convicted (and there is some very damning information on him) I don't believe there will be an AV123, or warranties.
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[Post 2350]
Author : stevo238
Date : 02-26-10 10:46 PM
I think that qualifies as negative. Reread the thread title.
I think Jed M. meant this as sarcasm folks.
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[Post 2351]
Author : JoshKo
Date : 02-26-10 10:51 PM
A little more coverage here:
http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-c...#axzz0ghf1UIUq
"Schifter was arrested on Friday afternoon and booked into the Boulder County Jail."
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[Post 2352]
Author : monomer
Date : 02-26-10 10:53 PM
A little more coverage here:
http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-c...#axzz0ghf1UIUq
"Schifter was arrested on Friday afternoon and booked into the Boulder County Jail."
In that case, he'd better cool it with all those hugs and kisses...
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[Post 2353]
Author : Grandarf
Date : 02-26-10 10:56 PM
In that case, he'd better cool it with all those hugs and kisses...
Priceless..
All the best to you Schifty.. Have fun in jail, hope you enjoy your stay there for a long time.. Something very special I hope..
Humbly..
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[Post 2354]
Author : JoshKo
Date : 02-26-10 11:01 PM
In that case, he'd better cool it with all those hugs and kisses...
He also frequently used the term "man hug" ................
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[Post 2355]
Author : monomer
Date : 02-26-10 11:14 PM
He also frequently used the term "man hug" ................
I'll bet they have a different terminology for that kind of stuff down at county...
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[Post 2356]
Author : Grandarf
Date : 02-26-10 11:17 PM
Let's just hope that people don't get burned by all of this... I'd cancel orders, for those who have prepaid for crap and never gotten their products, or for those who have gift certificates and the such, for those waiting for replacement parts, man, do your best to do what you can asap... It's probably already too late for most, but for some there might be some salvaging, with a recent purchase for example, I'd call the CC and get the order canceled ASAP...
Unlike what humbly bumbly hinted at, the big changes for 2010, I doubt they'll be for the best. I just hope he likes the new decor, but he talked with his lawyers about lots of things, so maybe he did foresee all of this and this is what he was hinting at... lol
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[Post 2357]
Author : JoshKo
Date : 02-26-10 11:25 PM
Let's just hope that people don't get burned by all of this... I'd cancel orders, for those who have prepaid for crap and never gotten their products, or for those who have gift certificates and the such, for those waiting for replacement parts, man, do your best to do what you can asap... It's probably already too late for most, but for some there might be some salvaging, with a recent purchase for example, I'd call the CC and get the order canceled ASAP
I agree, that's pretty sound advice.
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[Post 2358]
Author : ufokillerz
Date : 02-26-10 11:30 PM
wow that can't be good. hopefully the company sticks around, the stuff they sell ain't bad, but what MLS has been doing, i can't foresee everyone in the company being involved.
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[Post 2359]
Author : Faceless Rebel
Date : 02-27-10 12:11 AM
wow that can't be good. hopefully the company sticks around, the stuff they sell ain't bad, but what MLS has been doing, i can't foresee everyone in the company being involved.
There are several other ID speaker companies out there selling great product not run by people who have been indicted and arrested for massive fraudulent activities. These other companies have sterling reputations, too. There's no reason for AV123 to keep existing when it's competitors were already much better than they were even before their founder was arrested.
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[Post 2360]
Author : goonstopher
Date : 02-27-10 12:19 AM
wow that can't be good. hopefully the company sticks around, the stuff they sell ain't bad, but what MLS has been doing, i can't foresee everyone in the company being involved.
Even better, he sells the design to another company (maybe back to Mark Seaton) and it is sold with proper QC and a better driver
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[Post 2361]
Author : Snowmanick
Date : 02-27-10 12:43 AM
Actually I don't know nearly as much as you might be giving me credit for... are MLS and AV123 inseparable entities that should he go down doing hard time with some big guy named Bubba as a cell mate, do all company operations just cease? or what? Is it possible the company might be able to recover once MLS is hampered from doing marketing and decision making capacities and essentially kept out of the way for awhile? or is it too late?
One possible outcome, even if MLS is able to be separated from the company, the concerns over and frustration with the indictment could cause a "run on the bank" type mentality against AV123. So even if they hypothetically are/were keeping their head above the water up the cancellations of orders/ loss of pending sales, additional costs to keep their product desirable (marketing, discounting, etc) and increased demand for warranty parts or refunds due to concerns could push them past their threshold.
Its just a possibility but it has a fair amount of plausibility just based off of the responses on a few forums to this particular event. Factor in what seems to be diminished enthusiasm for the brand, reported QC issues over the past 1-2 years, and a tight economy, and its easy to picture a dark future for AV***.
That's even assuming MLS and AV*** could even be separated.
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[Post 2362]
Author : unclepauly
Date : 02-27-10 01:19 AM
publish date: 2/26/2010
longmont man indicted on suspicion of charity fraud
© 2010 longmont times-call
longmont - a statewide grand jury on friday indicted a longmont man on suspicion of running illegal charity raffles, according to the colorado attorney general's office.
Mark l. Schifter, 54, president of
www.********** and perpetual technologies, was accused in a five-count indictment of making to the tune of $180,000 by defrauding 707 people in 27 illegal raffles heled from 2004 through 2009. According to the attorney general's office, only $29,500 was distributed to charities. Some charities reported receiving nothing.
http://www.timescall.com/news_story.asp?id=20988http://www.timescall.com/assets/pdf/...indictment.pdf
just another word to the wise about purchasing an mfw.
Dude my mfw-15 rocks!
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[Post 2363]
Author : yadfgp
Date : 02-27-10 01:37 AM
Dude my mfw-15 rocks!
Mine does as well!
I am a bit nervous seeing as how I just received it yesterday. Damn my timing sucks.
So far I love the thing, but damnit, damnit, damnit...
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[Post 2364]
Author : Grandarf
Date : 02-27-10 07:39 AM
Dude my mfw-15 rocks!
You mean, your stolen charity money sponsored mfw-15 rocks! I don't know, I still think there's an ethical issue about purchasing anything from crooks like Schifter, who went as low to stealing charity money, taking advantage of the sick, dying, etc... Purchasing anything from him or his company is a slap in the face of everyone who's been hurt and scammed by this crook, and it definitely shows condonation, which he doesn't deserve. But by all means, hype away... Like I said, some will act like nothing ever happened...
You know there's a term: "Blood money". So what could these subs be called? Blood subs? Charity fraud subs? Stolen charity donation subs? Scam subs?
I am a bit nervous seeing as how I just received it yesterday.
It's not like you were not aware of these issues. You were probably just too greedy, I just hope you'll learn from your mistake...
I guess it's thanks to the help of people like you, he's still able to run his business... Some are wishing him good luck and stuff... Good luck for what, sleazing out of his fraud accusations? I hope he gets it good and that all the people he's wronged at least get some sort of retribution. The count was what? >700? This isn't a good guy, it's a liar, an hypocrit, a fraud who's taken advantage of many people. He absolutely deserves all he's getting. He's been scamming people for years. I'm sure he has no regrets, other than getting caught.
It reminds me of Helena Guergis, oh she's so sorry about her actions... Only because she was caught, you can be sure that the apology is the hypochrisy, and you can be sure that Schifter will post some great message about how he's sorry and all that, yeah, right... He's such a good guy... Earl Jones was also crying on the stand about all those people he stole all that money from all those years... What a ****ing joke, yet some are naive enough to buy it and still think he's a decent guy (Schifter that is)... Only in audio, and only for schifty of av321.gone... "The cult members" some call them, is that term really that far from the truth?
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[Post 2365]
Author : utahsavages
Date : 02-27-10 08:18 AM
I'd like to advocate more socially responsible audiophile purchases. Maybe they could put little stickers on the equipment - kind of like they do with some of the movies you see in the theater. "No baby seals were harmed during the manufacture of this center channel".
I know I would sleep better at night. And it would certainly enhance my enjoyment of Die Hard 3.
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[Post 2366]
Author : django1
Date : 02-27-10 08:52 AM
I hope he gets it good and that all the people he's wronged at least get some sort of retribution. The count was what? >700? This isn't a good guy, it's a liar, an hypocrit, a fraud who's taken advantage of many people. He absolutely deserves all he's getting. He's been scamming people for years. I'm sure he has no regrets, other than getting caught.
I was banned from av123 for calling out MLS on the charity money. That is to establish my cred. The tone of your post is the same as that of av123 apologists but on the other end of the spectrum: extreme . He was never Gandhi but he isn't Hitler either. I hope Mark gets a reasonable punishment. He certainly seems to have stolen money, I'll trust the judge to determine that. He also delivered really nice product at a really great price. I doubt that he could have financed all of those great prices with the purported 180,000$ that he stole. If he did then he would also be a financial genius.
He certainly is a complex personality and he has many faults and flaws. I'm sure he has many qualities as well. There is no need to make him out as worse than he is. He is in the process of being quite adequately punished and has been in that process for some time. He will be shunned by all but the most hardcore of his supporters. At 54 it won't be an easy thing to start over.
I don't see a reason for piling on people who want to get a good price. If they can hold their noses and make the purchase... This is not terribly different from buying at a bankruptcy sale or from Walmart for that matter. Not that I'll be buying anything but "blood subs"? Come on, get a little perspective in what your saying. I'll grant you that one person who should have received money from the charities died but we are very far from cause and effect. Also keep in mind that for av123 to make financial retribution they need sales. You can't have it both ways.
I'm quite saddened by this outcome even though it is the right one. Everyone loses...
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[Post 2367]
Author : HuskerHarley
Date : 02-27-10 09:20 AM
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1204/...ac2b1b.jpg?v=0
HH
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[Post 2368]
Author : Grandarf
Date : 02-27-10 09:49 AM
I was banned from av123 for calling out MLS on the charity money. That is to establish my cred. The tone of your post is the same as that of av123 apologists but on the other end of the spectrum: extreme . He was never Gandhi but he isn't Hitler either.
I never said he was Hitler... Did I attributed to him anything which wasn't demonstrated to be true? Seriously?
This isn't a good guy, it's a liar, an hypocrit, a fraud who's taken advantage of many people. He absolutely deserves all he's getting. He's been scamming people for years. I'm sure he has no regrets, other than getting caught.
He's been shown to lie over and over again... Just take these raffles, ok, so far he's not been declared guilty, but that's just a matter of time, the Sloan-Kettering charity fraud is just a phone call away for you confirm for yourself.
This wasn't ONE charity raffle whose donations didn't get to the intended recipient... It spawned what, over more than five years for ch*** sakes... During all this time, this hypocrite pretended to be a nice guy and still stole money from the people he baffled into thinking he was a decent guy. And no he wasn't, he isn't, a decent guy... A decent guy wouldn't have stolen charity money and taken advantage of all those people like he did. Just look up the definition of decent, he doesn't even make that grade, yeah sure he's not Hitler, but on a scale of lowlifes, he'd be down near the bottom, near the other scum like B.Maddoff and the such.
A crackhead who steals a convenience store would rate higher according to me. He didn't purposely betray and steal from the people who trusted him... He didn't lie to their faces, smile to them, and then backstabbed them... He didn't steal from charities for g**'s sake...
Anyhow, we're way off topic here. "He also delivered really nice product at a really great price", that's arguable, and definitely only when on sale and not with the overblown MSRP white van scam type schemes he used. How much of that is really true, and how much was hype? Anyhow, he made a buck, and ran a, again arguably, successful business. Don't make him into Mother Theresa because you think he sold good products... Don't you think it's possible he was only in it for the money? Seriously... His image is a very important part of what made his business work. Don't doubt he was well aware of that. Hell, he took full advantage of it with the raffles. I think he's taken advantage of people's naivety. As simple as that. And the fact that some still today show faith in him is a testament to that naivety...
He certainly is a complex personality and he has many faults and flaws. I'm sure he has many qualities as well.
You talked about Hitler, I brought up Madoff, you could also say they had complex personalities, many faults, but that they had qualities at well. But that's largely irrelevant considering. And yeah, there is no need to make him worst than he is, but more to the point there is no need to make him out better than he is either. Actions speak louder than words. His actions outweighs his hypocritical lies and all the fluff he's used to beguile all these people... Was it all fake? Who knows, as I said, he stole from the people he claimed to care about, he stole from charities, he lied repeatedly, I think it's wiser to look at his actions and not his words. (lies)
As I said, everyone is so very sorry when they're caught, but they seem to have no issue committing the crimes. I don't buy it. He wouldn't have, over the span of years, continually stolen donated charity money if he was a decent guy, and I'm not even saying a nice guy... Just look how he treated others, for example Jed M, and many others. He's a two faced hypocrite. You're naive if you think otherwise... He's screwed A LOT of people. I don't buy the "he's a good guy who bad things just happened to happen to him". If he was a decent individual he'd never be in this mess.
I don't see a reason for piling on people who want to get a good price. If they can hold their noses and make the purchase... This is not terribly different from buying at a bankruptcy sale or from Walmart for that matter. Not that I'll be buying anything but "blood subs"? Come on, get a little perspective in what your saying. I'll grant you that one person who should have received money from the charities died but we are very far from cause and effect. Also keep in mind that for av123 to make financial retribution they need sales. You can't have it both ways.
Ok here I'll grant you this, you have a point here. But buying from WalMart is not the same as buying from av321.gone or this crook MLS. Walmart is way more ethical than Schifter.
Still, I still hold the point that ethics should play a role in buying from Schifter or his company or not. Surely, it's not to the point as themselves supporting stealing charity money and the such, but, it does show some condonation.
I honestly think what he's done is absolutely despicable. And I don't buy his soon to come apology and claims of remorse. I would never, ever, purchase anything from him for as long as I live. Even if one of his sub or whatever was 90% off, 4.99$, I would not touch it. It would not feel right doing any business with this scam artist nor having one of his products in my home. But that's me...
Hell, he even once invited himself to my home to demo his products and show what a nice guy he was. Even then, and that was a couple of years ago, I wanted nothing to do with him because it didn't feel right. For some reason, I (and others) had no trouble seeing through the hype and this character... Guess I already thought he stunk like those other scam artists... I know it was just a feeling, but I hate to say it but I was absolutely right... Baffles my mind that even today, some still support him and give him credit for being a nice guy and stuff... Come on... What would it take to open some people's eyes?
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[Post 2369]
Author : utahsavages
Date : 02-27-10 10:22 AM
Thank you for the wonderful moral and spiritual audiophile guidance.
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[Post 2370]
Author : goneten
Date : 02-27-10 10:36 AM
You talked about Hitler, I brought up Madoff, you could also say they had complex personalities, many faults, but that they had qualities at well.
Hitler was a good cook and a loving husband and father to his children. He also could boogie with the best of them.
Regards,
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