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post #1711 of 3223
Justified Season 4 premiere drew a 1.3 demo rating, up 30% from the season 3 premiere! Total viewers about 3.6 mil!
post #1712 of 3223
Can someone help me out? My recording didn't account for extra time so I missed the end and there is no replay until Sunday and no on demand. What happened in the jail cell when the two men were talking about book and one asked the other if he liked spy stories?
post #1713 of 3223
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Raylan's dad cuts his throat with a toothbrush razor blade shiv, and then goes back and lays down on his bunk.[\spoiler]

My recording did the same thing. Luckily I caught it, but I had to hang around for an hour to watch the last 2 minutes on the rebroadcast.
post #1714 of 3223
all the Justified shows are gonna do that So plan ahead smile.gif they ran over last year but not as long rolleyes.gif I have mine set-up to record 1st runs & reruns
i don't have to worry it don't run over i watch the 1st part of the rerun that follows right after the 1st run simple easy effective better than setting each show to record extra minutes cool.gif
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Thank you shaded dogfood!
post #1716 of 3223
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

AIRBAG!! biggrin.gif
Yeah, it was a surprise...but, actually, I don't think it can really work that way.

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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post


Best quote: "Go take care of him" Sound of gunshot. eek.gif
IIRC, this is a scene from an old Elmore Leonard novel.

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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

all the Justified shows are gonna do that So plan ahead smile.gif they ran over last year but not as long rolleyes.gif I have mine set-up to record 1st runs & reruns
i don't have to worry it don't run over i watch the 1st part of the rerun that follows right after the 1st run simple easy effective better than setting each show to record extra minutes cool.gif
My DirecTV DVR automatically recorded the extra bit.smile.gif
post #1717 of 3223
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Interesting start to the season, from the opening scene of the dude falling from the sky to the last shot of Arlo & the trustee (by the way Alan Furst is a very good author of pre-WWII tales of intrigue) Here's an overview of the first episode with commentary by Graham Yost - including some foreshadowing of subsequent plot line developments. Nothing that spoils or reveals too much - but don;t read if you want to be totally surprised as each episode unfolds: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/01/08/justified-season-4-premiere-postmortem-graham-yost/

Another article with Yost about what to expect and not to expect this season, extremely mild spoliers, if they can even be called that.

Justified Boss Graham Yost on Four Things You’ll See (and Four You Won’t) This Season
post #1718 of 3223
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Raylan's dad cuts his throat with a toothbrush razor blade shiv, and then goes back and lays down on his bunk.[\spoiler]

My recording did the same thing. Luckily I caught it, but I had to hang around for an hour to watch the last 2 minutes on the rebroadcast.
I am disappointed Arlo is continuing to be part of the storyline of the show.
It's really dumb IMO.

Arlo is in prison forever....he killed a cop.
He is going nowhere, there is nothing left to tell about Arlo.

The only way out of prison for him is to do what Devil did: escape.
If that turns out to be the case, it would be hard to Suspend My Disbelief.
Kentucky prisons are THAT porous?!?
Sorry, I won't be buying.

Also, Patton Oswalt?
They could have made a better casting choice...

Although the religion element is being dragged back in, we are talking about Kentucky.

Well, that's my bitches for the opener...everything else was dandy.smile.gif
post #1719 of 3223
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

AIRBAG!! biggrin.gif
Yeah, it was a surprise...but, actually, I don't think it can really work that way.

According to Graham Yost, it is viable. That is why they used it. The only caveat is it usually takes more than one shot and a shot gun helps!

I read an interview with him and he said he sent a crew to Harlan County after last season and many of the story lines are coming from that trip. The foot stabbing, car steal/crush and "Brother Billy" elements all came from that trip according to Yost. Even the parachutist is based on a real event from 1986 in Lexington, Ky.

He also said that this season there will not be one central bad guy as in past seasons. But instead, a mystery will take the place of a main bad guy as the central thread with lots of not so nice people for Raylan to deal with. Raylan also gets a little dark himself. We saw the beginnings of that with this episode.
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We all know that the theme song "Long Hard Times To Come" is by Gangstagrass, but have you ever really looked at the lyrics of the song? I did for the first time. It sounds just like Raylan. Which came first? Ralan or Long Hard Times To Come? Elmore Leonard is a fan of Gangstagrass so who knows!? biggrin.gif


On this lonely road, trying to make it home
Doing it by my lonesome-pissed off, who wants some
I'm fighting for my soul, God get at your boy
You try to bogart--fall back, I go hard

On this lonely road, trying to make it home
Doing it by my lonesome-pissed off, who wants some
I see them long hard times to come

Verse 1:
My life is ill son... prepared to kill son
A paradox of pain, baby; it's real son
Lonely traveler, aint trying to battle ya
But if you're feeling tuff dog, I welcome all challengers
Aint got no family, you see there's one of me
Might lose your pulse standing two feet in front of me
I'm pissed at the world, but I aint looking for trouble
I might crack a grin, I aint looking to hug you
Think about it, nobody wants to die
There's rules to this game son, I'm justified
I'm ready to go partner, hey I'm on the run
The devils hugging on my boots that's why I own a gun
This journey's too long, I'm looking for some answers
So much time stressing, I forget the questions
I fear no man, you don't want no problems 'B'
Eyes in the back of my head, you better not follow me

[Chorus]
On this lonely road, trying to make it home
Doing it by my lonesome-pissed off who wants some
I'm fighting for my soul, God get at your boy
You try to bogart--fall back, I go hard

On this lonely road, trying to make it home
Doing it by my lonesome-pissed off, who wants some
I see them long hard times to come

Verse 2:
You probably think I'm crazy, or got some loose screws
But that's alright though--I'm a'do me, you do you
So how you judging me? I'm just trying to survive
And if the time comes, I aint trying to die
I'm just trying to fly, and get a little love
Find me a dime piece and get a little hug
Hook the car up--hit the bar up--clean the scars up--hey yo, the stars up
Hey this is the life of an outlaw
We aint promised tomorrow--I'm living now, dog
I'm walking through life. but yo my feet hurt
All my blessings are fed, man I'll rest when I'm dead
Look through my eyes and see the real world
Take a walk with me, have a talk with me
Where we end up--god only knows
Strap your boots on tight you might be alright

[Chorus]
On this lonely road, trying to make it home
Doing it by my lonesome pissed off who wants some
I'm fighting for my soul, God get at your boy
You try to bogart fall back I go hard
On this lonely road, trying to make it home
Doing it by my lonesome pissed off who wants some
I see them long hard times to come
Edited by foxeng - 1/10/13 at 5:19am
post #1721 of 3223
^^^^^^^^ Foxeng

Hey - thanks for posting the lyrics - never really paid that much attention to the words as the opening credits unfolded - but you're right - they sure seem to nail Raylan's character - who, to answer your question, arrived in fictional form in 1993 in the novel "Pronto" and also appeared in "Riding the Rap" (1996) as well as a short story "Fire in the Hole" that "Justified" is based on, that is part of a short story collection, "When the Women Come Out to Dance" (2002)
post #1722 of 3223
I had a chance to see/hear Gangstagrass perform at a little bar in Asheville NC during a weekend getaway a couple of years ago. But as I was the only 'Justified' fan in the group, I couldn't get anyone else to go with me. frown.gif Even my wife said she could find better things to do than to go hear a "gangster rap" group perform. tongue.gif
post #1723 of 3223
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Glad to see the bartender Back smile.gif

I concur, but I really hope we see more of that bail bondswoman that called Raylan at the beginning. eek.gif
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I had a chance to see/hear Gangstagrass perform at a little bar in Asheville NC during a weekend getaway a couple of years ago. But as I was the only 'Justified' fan in the group, I couldn't get anyone else to go with me. frown.gifEven my wife said she could find better things to do than to go hear a "gangster rap" group perform. tongue.gif

Ha tongue.gif

Edit: Speaking of gangster rap, I'm South Park Coalition (avatar) affiliated. I know the majority of the Houston members. They've signed all my music, and I have pictures of the rappers and I. I would post a picture, but it's sort of out of place for this thread tongue.gif
post #1725 of 3223

My one concern for the new season was their stated approach of not having a central antagonist for Givens this season.  Having one has worked well in the past so I was uneasy.  I must say, I was riveted as usual throughout the episode and that is no longer a concern of mine.  One thing that did surprise me a bit was how easy it was for Ron Eldard's character to shoot the bound guy in the chair.  The misunderstanding was a bit predictable, but after having earlier moral misgivings about how far he could go as a criminal, it was awfully easy to murder a man tied to a chair.

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My one concern for the new season was their stated approach of not having a central antagonist for Givens this season.  Having one has worked well in the past so I was uneasy.  I must say, I was riveted as usual throughout the episode and that is no longer a concern of mine.  One thing that did surprise me a bit was how easy it was for Ron Eldard's character to shoot the bound guy in the chair.  The misunderstanding was a bit predictable, but after having earlier moral misgivings about how far he could go as a criminal, it was awfully easy to murder a man tied to a chair.


It reminded me of the very first show, when Boyd shoots the guy in the car and then finds out he had made a mistake-same nonchalant killing, same "oops" reaction...also Devil With a Blue Dress On, where Mouse(Don Cheadle) explains killing a guy: You wanted me to kill him. Why would you ask me to watch him if you didn't want me to kill him? smile.gif

oink, while I agree arlo has no future, I thought it was clever how they kept him in the storyline by referencing his past. Half the fascination with Justified for me is how hard and cool Raylon is, with his own moral code. The other half is the tantilizing hints they give us of how he got that way by showing his family life growing up and his complex relationship with his father. Keeping Arlo in the storyline allows them to dig deeper into that and I'm all for it.
post #1727 of 3223
Justified and SOA both have amazing soundtracks.

If you haven’t heard this…

you’re missing out.
post #1728 of 3223
^^^ Thanks for sharing-is that Jerry Douglas on dobro? Patty Loveless did a great version on Mountain Soul-highlight of the CD and where I first heard the song. My jaw dropped when they played it on the show-it fits the series so perfect. Now I keep hoping to hear Copperhead Road... smile.gif
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According to Graham Yost, it is viable. That is why they used it. The only caveat is it usually takes more than one shot and a shot gun helps!
I still find it too difficult to believe.
Front airbags are triggered by impacts to the front and/or rear of a vehicle.
Side airbags (if equiped) are triggered by side impacts.
Shooting the steering wheel shouldn't effect either set of bags and would be more likely to destroy the deflated bag system itself.

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the tantilizing hints they give us of how he got that way by showing his family life growing up and his complex relationship with his father. Keeping Arlo in the storyline allows them to dig deeper into that and I'm all for it.
To me, it's a re-tread.
We have already gotten the gist of their relationship.

IMO, they should never have had Arlo be the trigger guy to begin with....his character was just too much fun.wink.gif
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IMO, they should never have had Arlo be the trigger guy to begin with....his character was just too much fun.wink.gif

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. For me, the payoff was the look on Raylon's face when he realized Arlo thought he was killing his own son, and would do it for Boyd. That was priceless.
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is that Jerry Douglas on dobro?

The one and only! cool.gif
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For me, the payoff was the look on Raylon's face when he realized Arlo thought he was killing his own son, and would do it for Boyd. That was priceless.
So was Winona's.
post #1733 of 3223
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I am disappointed Arlo is continuing to be part of the storyline of the show.
It's really dumb IMO.

Arlo is in prison forever....he killed a cop.
He is going nowhere, there is nothing left to tell about Arlo.

The only way out of prison for him is to do what Devil did: escape.
If that turns out to be the case, it would be hard to Suspend My Disbelief.
Kentucky prisons are THAT porous?!?
Sorry, I won't be buying.

Also, Patton Oswalt?
They could have made a better casting choice...

Although the religion element is being dragged back in, we are talking about Kentucky.

Well, that's my bitches for the opener...everything else was dandy.smile.gif

Loved the season inaugural! I thought the writing once again caught the flavor of Elmore Leonard's work to a T. When Boyd's new henchman misunderstood Boyd's instruction to "Take Care of him," and killed the drug dealer who had been holding out on Boyd, I thought of Elmore. It reminded me that Graham Yost tells his writers to continually ask themselves, "WWED?"smile.gif

I agree that the young woman who made a deal to pay Raylan under the table for Raylan to bring in a fugitive was pretty scrumptious. I too hope that we see more of her.

I find myself uncharacteristically disagreeing with almost everything oink said about the season opener. I think Raylan's prickly relationship with his deranged, sociopathic father remains fascinating. Also I really liked Patton Oswalt as a constable. Oswalt does a good job with characters who seem to be ineffectual at first but later prove to be pretty resourceful. I do, however, agree with oink that the reprise of the religious theme seems appropriate. Not only is this Kentucky, we have Boyd's earlier religious fervor to play off against the snake handling revival preacher.

Justified remains a great show and I can hardly wait for more.
Edited by gwsat - 1/17/13 at 7:37am
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I hadn't seen Ron Eldard in anything in a long time - probably Mystery, Alaska. It took me to the end of the opener to realize who he was - or at least who I thought he might be. Geez, what happened to that guy eek.gif?!? Almost unrecognizable.
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I hadn't seen Ron Eldard in anything in a long time - probably Mystery, Alaska. It took me to the end of the opener to realize who he was - or at least who I thought he might be. Geez, what happened to that guy eek.gif?!? Almost unrecognizable.

My wife commented after she watched the episode that the "Discharged Army character looked familiar.....". I had to remind her of who he was--I last remember seeing him in "Blackhawk Down" and I believe I saw him in a trailer for the movie "Roadie" with Bobby Canavale, which I haven't seen yet.
post #1736 of 3223
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I still find it too difficult to believe.
Front airbags are triggered by impacts to the front and/or rear of a vehicle.
Side airbags (if equiped) are triggered by side impacts.
Shooting the steering wheel shouldn't effect either set of bags and would be more likely to destroy the deflated bag system itself.
To me, it's a re-tread.
We have already gotten the gist of their relationship.

IMO, they should never have had Arlo be the trigger guy to begin with....his character was just too much fun.wink.gif

Airbags are actually explosive deviceds triggered by electric sparks that are generated in response to electrical impulses sent by the airbag computer when the variious sensors detect an impact. theoretically a superheated bullet could also trigger the explosion.
post #1737 of 3223
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Airbags are actually explosive deviceds triggered by electric sparks that are generated in response to electrical impulses sent by the airbag computer when the variious sensors detect an impact. theoretically a superheated bullet could also trigger the explosion.

I wonder which 'Justified' writer drew the short straw to test that theory? Jandron...? Your boy? wink.gif
post #1738 of 3223
In a link earlier Yost said sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but they were using a rifle.My own feeling is as long as there is a chance in a 1000, its okay. It was the sort of cool move Raylon is known for and part of what seperates him from us mere mortals. smile.gif I mean, he didn't have a moment of doubt that it would work, just like he knew last year pulling the tablecloth would work against Icepick guy. Its part of the reality of the show and after 3 seasons of such moves one can't blame the writers for expecting their audience to buy it, otherwise they would have stopped watching long ago. cool.gif
post #1739 of 3223
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In a link earlier Yost said sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't, but they were using a rifle.My own feeling is as long as there is a chance in a 1000, its okay. It was the sort of cool move Raylon is known for and part of what seperates him from us mere mortals. smile.gif I mean, he didn't have a moment of doubt that it would work, just like he knew last year pulling the tablecloth would work against Icepick guy. Its part of the reality of the show and after 3 seasons of such moves one can't blame the writers for expecting their audience to buy it, otherwise they would have stopped watching long ago. cool.gif
Yeah, OK, it's not a big deal really.
post #1740 of 3223
That's exactly right. Yost said it took 5 or 6 shots from a rifle. When they discussed the trick in the writer's room, they agreed that it was farfetched, but since Raylan is cool, it would work. There's more than a bit of nod and wink to that scene.
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