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post #1921 of 3237
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

What's with all the "****fighting"? Is cockfighting a dirty word? biggrin.gif

As long as you don't discuss guys suckered into it, it's OK
post #1922 of 3237
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

That's interesting. I can see why, but how would she have known where to find her?

I assume she staked out Boyd's place and saw her leave and tailed the SUV until it pulled into the gas station and then she made her move.
post #1923 of 3237
Well, the first question would be : did she go willingly or was she taken by force. Either way the sister is the obvious choice, but there are others. Johnny, for example. Also Ellen May could very possibly been overheard in the bar, when she was talking about what she swore she never would talk about...The second question is who knocked on the bathroom door? If it was Ellen May, wouldn't she also have cried out for help?It didn't sound like a feminine knock to me.
post #1924 of 3237
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Originally Posted by jabbathespud View Post

I assume she staked out Boyd's place and saw her leave and tailed the SUV until it pulled into the gas station and then she made her move.

That makes sense - the Sister certainly wasn't satisfied after meeting with the Sheriff; we already know that Boyd recognized that she, not the brother was the real threat, and it's possible that Ellen May already confided in her so she knows that she can bring the heat down on Boyd/Ava. It will be interesting to see how this plays out - no doubt more blood will be shed.
Edited by ggsantafe - 1/30/13 at 7:59pm
post #1925 of 3237
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

the human race has been betting on Kock fighting world wide since the chicken has been domesticated eons ago.
It's been hugely popular in the Far East long before the Mayflower sailed smile.gif
True.

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not just a south OR a latino thing
In the U.S., it generally is the case.

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Originally Posted by Juan2watch View Post

that it wasn't believable that the bartender would be behind "investing" 20k worth of stolen cash and get back with her ex for the big score - roosters?
He is a dumba$$ hillbilly who gets hit in the head for a living...it makes perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

Didn't have HBO but then how could this forum have ever discussed "Deadwood"? smile.gif
LOL....yeah, that.wink.gif
post #1926 of 3237
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Originally Posted by ggsantafe View Post

That makes sense - the Sister certainly wasn't satisfied after meeting with the Sheriff; we already know that Boyd recognized that she, not the brother was the real threat, and it's possible that Ellen May already confided in her so she knows that she can bring the heat down on Boyd/Ava.
Good theory.smile.gif
post #1927 of 3237
Not a fan of this episode. The whole final fight scene was a little anti-climatic. Not much else going on in this episode of note.
post #1928 of 3237
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Not a fan of this episode. The whole final fight scene was a little anti-climatic. Not much else going on in this episode of note.

I'm in your camp. Wasn't really feeling this was up to their standard. Hope it was just an anomaly.
post #1929 of 3237
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Not a fan of this episode. The whole final fight scene was a little anti-climatic. Not much else going on in this episode of note.

Agree that it was a below the mean episode. What I liked was the byplay between Raylan and his partner. She was great with her non-commital skeptical looks at his lame replies. And I liked the non-lethal beanbag gun thingy.
post #1930 of 3237
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

Agree that it was a below the mean episode. What I liked was the byplay between Raylan and his partner. She was great with her non-commital skeptical looks at his lame replies. And I liked the non-lethal beanbag gun thingy.

Standard shotty with a bean bag round... Johnny Knoxville got shot for a Jacka$$ skit. Looks like it hurt - A LOT.
post #1931 of 3237
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

What I liked was the byplay between Raylan and his partner. She was great with her non-commital skeptical looks at his lame replies.
I think her Big Secret is she has a crush on Raylan....or she's gay.

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And I liked the non-lethal beanbag gun thingy.
+1
post #1932 of 3237
Agree that this was a weaker than usual ep, and it looks like this season might be more about Raylan getting a little seedier (with repercussions, and possibly with his marshal partners) than a new foe.
post #1933 of 3237
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Agree that this was a weaker than usual ep.

I would agree, those characters just weren't interesting enough to build an episode around. But based on the previews, it looks like they'll be back to basics next week (and that's a good thing).
post #1934 of 3237
I have enjoyed every one of this season's episodes, including this week's show. Each one has seemed like an Elmore Leonard short story. Raylan's having to deal with the gigantic thug, who Raylan wisely knew to be wary of, and at the same time with his beautiful wife, who Raylan is attracted to but knows is treacherous, tickled me to death. The use of the shotgun with beanbag rounds was inspired. I really enjoyed the way the thug's beautiful wife baled Raylan out at the end, sort of.smile.gif
post #1935 of 3237
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I have enjoyed every one of this season's episodes, including this week's show. Each one has seemed like an Elmore Leonard short story. Raylan's having to deal with the gigantic thug, who Raylan wisely knew to be wary of, and at the same time with his beautiful wife, who Raylan is attracted to but knows is treacherous, tickled me to death. The use of the shotgun with beanbag rounds was inspired. I really enjoyed the way the thug's beautiful wife baled Raylan out at the end, sort of.smile.gif
I like how Raylan said as he lay on the ground after being shot by her & saved at the same time , " I knew you liked me "
post #1936 of 3237
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I have enjoyed every one of this season's episodes, including this week's show. Each one has seemed like an Elmore Leonard short story. Raylan's having to deal with the gigantic thug, who Raylan wisely knew to be wary of, and at the same time with his beautiful wife, who Raylan is attracted to but knows is treacherous, tickled me to death. The use of the shotgun with beanbag rounds was inspired. I really enjoyed the way the thug's beautiful wife baled Raylan out at the end, sort of.smile.gif

Great comments, esp. about enjoying all the episodes. Justified can hit such high levels that a real good episode can almost seem like a letdown, even though its still better than 99% of whats on tv...this one was saved by all the things you mentioned, as well as the twist to the Ellen May story
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Both the wife and I laughed out loud when the fighter mentioned "chicken" again and Raylan shot him again. Not every minute of every episode is going to be great, but at least there are gems that stick out every week.[
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Great comments, esp. about enjoying all the episodes. Justified can hit such high levels that a real good episode can almost seem like a letdown, even though its still better than 99% of whats on tv...this one was saved by all the things you mentioned, as well as the twist to the Ellen May story
+1

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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Both the wife and I laughed out loud when the fighter mentioned "chicken" again and Raylan shot him again. Not every minute of every episode is going to be great, but at least there are gems that stick out every week.[
Same thing happened with my wife and me.wink.gif
post #1939 of 3237
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post



Great comments, esp. about enjoying all the episodes. Justified can hit such high levels that a real good episode can almost seem like a letdown, even though its still better than 99% of whats on tv...this one was saved by all the things you mentioned, as well as the twist to the Ellen May story

I was guilty of an oversight when I failed to mention the scene in the gas station at the end of the show, in which Colt lost Ellen May because he spent too much time in the men's room taking on enough chemical courage to carry out Boyd's order to kill her. It was chilling but it kind of moved me, Poor Ellen May! And in a weird way, poor Colt, too! It was another reminder, as if we needed one at this remove, that Boyd really is a monster.
post #1940 of 3237
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I was guilty of an oversight when I failed to mention the scene in the gas station at the end of the show, in which Colt lost Ellen May because he spent too much time in the men's room taking on enough chemical courage to carry out Boyd's order to kill her. It was chilling but it kind of moved me, Poor Ellen May! And in a weird way, poor Colt, too! It was another reminder, as if we needed one at this remove, that Boyd really is a monster.

Boyd? He was the one initially dissuading Lady Macbeth from killing the girl, offering to send her away. It was Ms Macbeth who called Colt and changed the instructions to dispose of her rather than deliver her.
post #1941 of 3237
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I was guilty of an oversight when I failed to mention the scene in the gas station at the end of the show, in which Colt lost Ellen May because he spent too much time in the men's room taking on enough chemical courage to carry out Boyd's order to kill her. It was chilling but it kind of moved me, Poor Ellen May! And in a weird way, poor Colt, too! It was another reminder, as if we needed one at this remove, that Boyd really is a monster.

For some reason, I have never thought that Ellen May took off. She just wasn't at the car. She could have gone to the bathroom or in the store. I thought Colt was going nuts because he did blow.
post #1942 of 3237
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

Boyd? He was the one initially dissuading Lady Macbeth from killing the girl, offering to send her away. It was Ms Macbeth who called Colt and changed the instructions to dispose of her rather than deliver her.
My take too.

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For some reason, I have never thought that Ellen May took off. She just wasn't at the car. She could have gone to the bathroom or in the store. I thought Colt was going nuts because he did blow.
I can see where Ellen May could have been scared into running by the preacher's sister.
It doesn't take much to persuade EM to do just about anything, regardless how nutty it might be.wink.gif
post #1943 of 3237
I still think Boyd made the ultimate decision to have Colt kill Ellen May. Recall the scene with Ava and Boyd, which came immediately after Colt took the call in his car, in which Boyd said, "It'll be quick, Ava, she'll never know, she won't be afraid. One minute she's here and the next she's gone, just like that." That scene convinced me that Boyd made the final decision to have Ellen May killed, whether or not Ava really did make the call to Colt, as Colt claimed to Ellen May. Either way, if Colt does succeed in killing Ellen May both Ava and Boyd will have the poor, dumb, big mouthed girl's blood on their hands.

This week's episode was below average? Come on!smile.gif
post #1944 of 3237
I enjoyed this week's episode as well, and wasn't disappointed. It was almost like a stand-alone, or what's known in the serial show trade as a "bottle' episode. Sure there were callbacks to primary arcs, and the preacher's sister and Ellen May storylines have more in store, but the big story this season - the mysterious bag-in-the-wall and Arlo's connection to it - took the week off. That's fine with me. Also enjoyed the interaction between Raylan and Rachel.
post #1945 of 3237
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I still think Boyd made the ultimate decision to have Colt kill Ellen May. Recall the scene with Ava and Boyd, which came immediately after Colt took the call in his car, in which Boyd said, "It'll be quick, Ava, she'll never know, she won't be afraid. One minute she's here and the next she's gone, just like that." That scene convinced me that Boyd made the final decision to have Ellen May killed, whether or not Ava really did make the call to Colt, as Colt claimed to Ellen May. Either way, if Colt does succeed in killing Ellen May both Ava and Boyd will have the poor, dumb, big mouthed girl's blood on their hands.

This week's episode was below average? Come on!smile.gif

He was simply being supportive and reassuring as he knew she was having a seriously difficult time wrestling with the decision to murder a former "friend". Boyd has been there, done that, will again.
As to evidence supporting a viewpoint, we saw several scenes with her leaning towards killing the twit with Boyd dissuading her. No scenes with Boyd pushing her to kill the girl or simply taking matters into his own hands.

By definition, almost half the episodes have to be below average, unless you're asserting that every episode is just "average".
post #1946 of 3237
I still think it's Ellie May, and yes some eps have to be below average by definition - this was one of them IMO.
post #1947 of 3237
Graham Yost in EW on Aver & EM: "It went back and forth in the writing as to when Ava was going to make the decision that she was gonna kill Ellen May."
post #1948 of 3237
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

Graham Yost in EW on Aver & EM: "It went back and forth in the writing as to when Ava was going to make the decision that she was gonna kill Ellen May."

The bottom line is that Ava is not a free agent when it comes to decisions as momentous as killing an ex employee. That sort of thing is Boyd's call, always has been, always will be. Now, that's not to say that Ava having suggested it in the first place wasn't chilling. Ava is almost as scary as Boyd.
post #1949 of 3237
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

The bottom line is that Ava is not a free agent when it comes to decisions as momentous as killing an ex employee. That sort of thing is Boyd's call, always has been, always will be. Now, that's not to say that Ava having suggested it in the first place wasn't chilling. Ava is almost as scary as Boyd.

+!. There's also the fact that Colt was clearly uneasy about killing her, would he do it if the order didn't come from Boyd? Ava got worrtied when she realized EM was still thinking about what she knew. The smile vanished off Boyd's face when he saw the concern on Ava's. They both know she couldn't be trusted not to tell someone now the she knew it was important-EM is not exactly the brightest bulb in the world. I think it was a a decision they both reluctantly agreed to, thinking they had no choice.
post #1950 of 3237
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

I still think it's Ellie May...

That's how they pronounce it, regardless of the proper spelling.
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