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post #2491 of 3220
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post

Ava came upon EM and Cassie and heard EM telling Cassie about her murder just before the late lamented Colt showed up.

But EM didn't say who else was involved. I don't think EM was ratting, she was just trying to clear her own conscience.
post #2492 of 3220
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I couldn't agree more. Color me romantic but I believe Ava and Boyd truly love each other and neither would ever do anything to harm the other.
+1

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On to the rest of the show. I loved the scene in which Raylan and Winona teamed up to take out the violent but terminally overconfident, not to say clueless, Detroit gun thugs. That was a Classic Elmore Leonard scene. Also thought the scene between Raylan and Augustine in which Raylan, after learning Augustine was not armed, decided not to kill Augustine in cold blood but told him, correctly, that he, Augustine, would still die in the limo. Wonderful stuff!.
As others have already commented, the arrogant undertaker power broker appears to have passed his sell by date. I guess he didn't learn a damn thing from his earlier encounters with Boyd. That makes sense though. Elmore Leonard's bad guys routinely end up paying with their lives for underestimating their opponents.
Absolutely classic EL.cool.gif
post #2493 of 3220
We need more Harlan County thugs and losers in the heavies roles next year and fewer interlopers from the city.
post #2494 of 3220
I thought this last episode started really really strong then kind of dropped off near the end. Surprised they didn't do a cliff hanger, I wonder if they did that because they weren't sure it would be renewed or not.
post #2495 of 3220
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

I thought this last episode started really really strong then kind of dropped off near the end. Surprised they didn't do a cliff hanger, I wonder if they did that because they weren't sure it would be renewed or not.

Um, no. Renewal was never in question.

It was a fitting way to end this different sort of season, if you examine the themes involved in the season. This year was all about Raylan coming to terms with who he really is, and putting an end to the Arlo chapter of his life. The final scene, with Raylan sitting there in his childhood home looking at the graves of his parents and thinking on his life up to that point, was a letter-perfect way to close out the season. Next year he'll be a father himself, and things will be different. He may moderate his behavior, take less risks. Should be interesting; this show always is.
post #2496 of 3220
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

But EM didn't say who else was involved. I don't think EM was ratting, she was just trying to clear her own conscience.

Cassie is no fool and could easily tell from Ava's reaction what was going on. She already knew there was a big secret. Now she learns the more specific details.
Just look at the near the end scene with her enjoying revenge for Boyd killing her brother. She knew. That's why they showed her looking on.
post #2497 of 3220
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I wouldn't underestimate Ava's instinct for survival. We did meet her shortly after she blew her 1st husband away.


Ava was an abused wife, which is why she shot and killed her husband, Bowman Crowder. Bowman should have known better than to get violent with Ava.smile.gif

In sharp contrast to Bowman's conduct, Boyd has always treated Ava with respect and clearly loves her more than anyone or anything else in his life. I think Ava knows and appreciates Boyd's love and loyalty and will stay the course for him. Despite his many other failings, Boyd is not an abuser of women.
post #2498 of 3220
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Despite his many other failings, Boyd is not an abuser of women.

That would conflict with his particular code of honor. Both Boyd and Raylan have them, and they're more similar than different.
post #2499 of 3220
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Um, no. Renewal was never in question.

It was a fitting way to end this different sort of season, if you examine the themes involved in the season. This year was all about Raylan coming to terms with who he really is, and putting an end to the Arlo chapter of his life. The final scene, with Raylan sitting there in his childhood home looking at the graves of his parents and thinking on his life up to that point, was a letter-perfect way to close out the season. Next year he'll be a father himself, and things will be different. He may moderate his behavior, take less risks. Should be interesting; this show always is.

+1000.
post #2500 of 3220
watched the finale last night... WOW. I wasn't let down.

Agree to most of what y'all are saying above. One of the better parts of the episode for me was the conversation b/t Raylan and Boyd in the van on the way to see Augustine. Both men are doing what they think they need to do, however, one has a badge and one doesn't.

Great show! Now I just need to catch up on Americans.
post #2501 of 3220
I agree that the season finale was a fitting end to what was a great season. As much as I love Justified, I have fallen in love with The Americans too. Just when I think the show can't get any darker or more intriguing, the writers top themselves. The latest episode was gut wrenching. A lot of crazy sh*t went on in the '80s.
post #2502 of 3220
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I agree that the season finale was a fitting end to what was a great season. As much as I love Justified, I have fallen in love with The Americans too. Just when I think the show can't get any darker or more intriguing, the writers top themselves. The latest episode was gut wrenching. A lot of crazy sh*t went on in the '80s.

It did. I remember Flock of Seagulls..eek.gif
post #2503 of 3220
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Originally Posted by philw1776 View Post


Just look at the near the end scene with her enjoying revenge for Boyd killing her brother.

Didn't her brother kill himself with his decision to handle the snakes? I guess since Boyd provided snakes that had not been bled, it could be argued that he "killed" her brother?

Nice finale, really great how the writers brought the story full circle, and allowed the final episode of the season to revolve around the primary characters.
post #2504 of 3220
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

Didn't her brother kill himself with his decision to handle the snakes? I guess since Boyd provided snakes that had not been bled, it could be argued that he "killed" her brother?

Sure he was a victim of his own hubris, but Boyd forced him into a position that he couldn't back down lest he lose everything he thought he had accomplished. There were other ways for Boyd to run him out of town that would have been less humiliating and lethal. In a private confrontation the preacher would probably have survived.
post #2505 of 3220
It's interesting that, back at the beginning of the season, many of us thought Cassie was going to be the Big Bad Mastermind this season in the mold of Mags. Instead, she had a largely peripheral role except for right at the end when she provided the final piece of the puzzle that led to Ava's arrest and her separation from Boyd that will serve as the launching point for next season.

This just in: this show is really well designed and written.
post #2506 of 3220
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

Didn't her brother kill himself with his decision to handle the snakes? I guess since Boyd provided snakes that had not been bled, it could be argued that he "killed" her brother?

Nice finale, really great how the writers brought the story full circle, and allowed the final episode of the season to revolve around the primary characters.
going with that train of thought , then Cassie killed her own brother by milking the snakes & Not telling her brother , there by letting the brother think he was given a gift from the God to handle snakes in the 1st place . rolleyes.gif
post #2507 of 3220
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Sure he was a victim of his own hubris, but Boyd forced him into a position that he couldn't back down lest he lose everything he thought he had accomplished. There were other ways for Boyd to run him out of town that would have been less humiliating and lethal. In a private confrontation the preacher would probably have survived.
Boyd had tried to do it behind "closed doors."
Unfortunately for the evangelists, they didn't take up his original offer and made a counter-offer, which was actually just simple extortion and Boyd wasn't going to buy into that.

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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

going with that train of thought , then Cassie killed her own brother by milking the snakes & Not telling her brother , there by letting the brother think he was given a gift from the God to handle snakes in the 1st place . rolleyes.gif
True.
post #2508 of 3220
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

This just in: this show is really well designed and written.

I watched S1E2/3/4 last night on BD (I apparently missed most of S1.) In E2, someone asks Raylan how well he knows Boyd Crowder. Raylan responds that they dug coal together smile.gif I'm almost glad I missed the first season mostly, because after gorging on S2/3/4, it's a hoot to see them all in the beginning.

In S1E4, Rachel describes Raylan as "A tall, good looking white guy with a sh!t load of swagger."
post #2509 of 3220
Saw the G.I. Joe today (ugh, don't bother!) The actor that plays Boyd was in it, acted and talked just like Boyd, was just as crooked too. smile.gif
post #2510 of 3220
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

Saw the G.I. Joe today (ugh, don't bother!) The actor that plays Boyd was in it, acted and talked just like Boyd, was just as crooked too. smile.gif

He played a similar character in Predators as well.
post #2511 of 3220
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Originally Posted by zeus33 View Post

He played a similar character in Predators as well.
May be a one-trick-pony?wink.gif
post #2512 of 3220
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Originally Posted by Fastslappy View Post

going with that train of thought , then Cassie killed her own brother by milking the snakes & Not telling her brother , there by letting the brother think he was given a gift from the God to handle snakes in the 1st place . rolleyes.gif

And taking it a step further, Cassie feels incredibly guilty as a result, and human nature being what it is, she seeks to deflect that kind of guilt by putting the blame elsewhere ... with a vengeance. biggrin.gif
post #2513 of 3220
Question about the shoot out at Winona's. I watched the scene several times and never could see/figure out where she had/got her pistol from ?? It looks like she got the first shot off into the guy that was hiding behind here and then got to Ralyn's side and they then both took care of the problem.
post #2514 of 3220
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Originally Posted by hopper810 View Post

Question about the shoot out at Winona's. I watched the scene several times and never could see/figure out where she had/got her pistol from ?? It looks like she got the first shot off into the guy that was hiding behind here and then got to Ralyn's side and they then both took care of the problem.

I thought that she picked it up from the guy Raylan shot in the head. She had it in the arm that badguy #3 had pinned behind her. When badguy #3 moved to try to get a shot at Raylan, that freed her to fire and the shot was to his groin area. Not sure why he did that since his plan was pretty shot at that point.
post #2515 of 3220
Now that the season is over, and you may have some spare viewing time coming up - check out "The Friends of Eddie Coyle" referenced in the last episode: http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/The-Friends-of-Eddie-Coyle/70117956?strkid=2025180954_0_0&strackid=7c75510ebcf15cdc_0_srl&trkid=222336. A great 70's flick with Robert Mitchum and a host of easily recognizable character actors. The book, by George V. Higgins is also a great read: http://www.amazon.com/Friends-Eddie-Coyle-Novel/dp/031242969X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365341752&sr=1-1&keywords=friends+of+eddie+coyle and served as inspiration for EL

And if you want to pass the endless months before "Justified" returns you can check out this listing of films based on EL's novels: http://www.elmoreleonard.com/index.php?/filmandtv/archives/
post #2516 of 3220
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

May be a one-trick-pony?wink.gif

Watched Lincoln the other night, Goggins is definitely not a one trick pony.
post #2517 of 3220
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

I thought that she picked it up from the guy Raylan shot in the head. She had it in the arm that badguy #3 had pinned behind her. When badguy #3 moved to try to get a shot at Raylan, that freed her to fire and the shot was to his groin area.
That's what I saw too.

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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

Watched Lincoln the other night, Goggins is definitely not a one trick pony.
Good to hear.smile.gif
post #2518 of 3220
I haven't seen Lincoln but I've watched The Shield 3 times. smile.gif There are similiar traits to both Shane and Boyd, but on the whole they are two very different characters and Goggins nails both of them. One of the best actors on tv, imo.
post #2519 of 3220
I haven't seen Lincoln but I've watched The Shield 3 times. smile.gif There are similiar traits to both Shane and Boyd, but on the whole they are two very different characters and Goggins nails both of them. One of the best actors on tv, imo.
post #2520 of 3220
I haven't seen Lincoln but I've watched The Shield 3 times. smile.gif There are similiar traits to both Shane and Boyd, but on the whole they are two very different characters and Goggins nails both of them. One of the best actors on tv, imo.
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