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The Official HDMI 1.4 Receiver Thread

post #1 of 270
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Starting this thread as a catch all for receivers that are 1.4/3D compliant

Pioneer Adds First AVRs With 3D-Ready HDMI, ProLogic IIz, Bluetooth

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Long Beach, Calif. - Pioneer will make 3D-ready HDMI 1.4 inputs/outputs, Dolby ProLogic IIz post processing, proprietary Pioneer Front Wide post processing, and a stereo Bluetooth option available in its A/V receivers (AVRs) for the first time.

The capabilities will appear in all models in the company's mainstream series at prices starting at $229 street price. The features don't yet appear in the company's Elite series of AVRs.

The features will appear in two 5.1-channel AVRs shipping in March to April and in new 7.1-channel AVRs, whose details will be announced later this week. The 5.1 AVRs are the $229 5x110-watt VSX-520-K and $299 5x110-watt VSX-820-K.

http://www.twice.com/article/449417-..._Bluetooth.php
post #2 of 270
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Sony's First 3D-Capable Receiver, the STR-DN1010, Costs $500

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Featuring HDMI™ 1.4 3D pass-through technology, ample high definition connectivity and compatibility with all of the latest Blu-ray Disc™ audio formats, the new STR-DN1010 A/V receiver is designed to create a simple solution for controlling any high definition or 3D capable home theater.

The 7.1 channel STR-DN1010 A/V receiver (110 watts power per channel @8-Ohms, 1kHz, 1% THD) features full high definition 1080/24p support and seven HD inputs in total (four HDMI and three component) allowing for connection to a wide variety of HD devices. The receiver's HDMI 3D pass-through technology supports 3D video from connected devices and passes them through to a 3D compatible high definition television, while decoding high-resolution audio codecs.

The receiver also features an icon-driven menu system for simple device and content navigation and has the ability to upscale analog video sources to 1080p resolution via HDMI. The model also boasts a sleek piano black gloss design that matches Sony's line of Blu-ray Disc players and televisions.

http://gizmodo.com/5474837/sonys-fir...1010-costs-500
post #3 of 270
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

I don't see anything about HD Audio like True HD and DTS MA

All the new models have "decoding of all Blu-ray surround formats".
post #4 of 270
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Originally Posted by GregLee View Post

All the new models have "decoding of all Blu-ray surround formats".

OK - got it.

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True-to-Life, High-Definition Audio and New Dolby Pro Logic IIz
Of course all the latest Pioneer receivers support high-definition audio formats like Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Audio to give your Blu-ray Disc® movies a soundtrack that's true-to-life. But Pioneer adds an extra dimension with support for Dolby Pro Logic IIz across its entire 2010 line of receivers, which adds a "height" channel for an even more immersive experience

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...VSX-820-K.Kuro
post #5 of 270
Not a full announcement, but all new 2010 Onkyos will support HDMI 1.4

http://www.intl.onkyo.com/whats_new/2010_01/index.html
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

OK - got it.



http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...VSX-820-K.Kuro

Strange specs. I don't understand how you can do ProLogic IIz on a 5.1 channel receiver that doesn't have outputs for the height channels?? I looked at the image of the back and there are no outputs for height channels that I can see.

EDIT: nevermind, there are preouts for extra channels, they are just hard to see.
post #7 of 270
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RD-7505 – Sherwood’s First Receiver with HDMI 1.4 Capability

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The RD 7505 is a 7.1 channel receiver that’s is able to decode highest resolution audio format like Doby TruHD and DTS-HD Master Audio, in addition to the audio formats it can already process internally such as DTS 96/24, Dolby Pro Logic II, and Dolby Digital. This Sherwood receiver uses discrete amplifiers which deliver at 110watts RMS for all seven channels. By employing such amplifiers, high-quality audio is produced via 192 kHz/24 bit D to A converters and TI 32-bit DSP audio processing chips. Aside from the three HDMI inputs and one output, RD 7505 also receives two composite inputs and two component inputs. There’s one output for each video format while for audio inputs there are two digital coaxial and two digital optical.

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However, you have to wait till summer to get a hold of this product.

http://www.geekiegadgets.com/2010/rd...-4-capability/
post #8 of 270
There was a thread... "It's coming... from Pioneer" ... I'm guessing that was going to show case all the new receivers from Pioneer, those of which would have HDMI 1.4 I bet.... what happened to that thread?
post #9 of 270
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Originally Posted by ckellyusa View Post

There was a thread... "It's coming... from Pioneer" ... I'm guessing that was going to show case all the new receivers from Pioneer, those of which would have HDMI 1.4 I bet.... what happened to that thread?

Guess it didn't make the transition over to 3D Central.

If you look at the topic of each of the 3 forums, there really isn't a place for 1.4 receivers. So I started this thread as a "master" thread for all announcements and discussions of 1.4 receivers.
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

if you see threads that need to be moved, please PM me with a link

PM Sent
post #12 of 270
Should the relatively inexpensive nature of the Pioneer VSX-520-K throw me off a little? That seems like a hell of a good deal. I wanted a new receiver anyway...
post #13 of 270
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Originally Posted by UCFKevin View Post

Should the relatively inexpensive nature of the Pioneer VSX-520-K throw me off a little?

No. It looks to me like a good deal, and Pioneer makes good stuff cheap. I have two low end Pioneer receivers now, which I'm happy with. OTOH, this new receiver isn't actually available until April, so you might as well wait and watch until then. I think I'll get a VSX-1020, but not until this summer, after I've seen some reviews and when I can get some modest retail discount from the MSRP.
post #14 of 270
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Additional info on the new Pioneer receivers:

http://gizmodo.com/5485322/pioneers-...-it-via-iphone
post #15 of 270
Yeah, if the reviews are decent to good for it, I'll definitely scoop up the 520K, for THAT price? Hell...why not? I don't need any iPhone support for it at all, my roommates might, but my roommates ain't buying this thing, I am.

I'm just glad it's not too pricey. Yeah, I wanted a new receiver anyway, but I don't NEED one. When I get a Sony 3DTV this summer, though, I'll definitely need a new one for simplicity's sake. And new cables, too. Ugh. Here we go again. At least I'm happy with my speakers and subwoofer.
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post #17 of 270
Please excuse my ignorance :-)

I was looking for HDMI 1.4 compliant receivers so I found this thread, but I saw the thread right above saying that there is now an HDMI 1.4a standard (cant post the link as I am new here, but it is in the same forum)

I was looking at getting the Panny VT25 and a matching receiver (maybe the Onkyo offerings). Do I need to wait until the receivers are 1.4a compliant?


Thanks!
post #18 of 270
Are we sure HDMI 1.4 is really necissary for 3D? Sony doesn't seem to think so, as their players are 1.3 spec, and they claim to output 3D 1080p 24hz.

I ask because I seriously wanna upgrade my receiver to the Denon 4310, and do not wanna wait for Denon to get off their arse and put one out in 6 months to a year. Considering my gorgeous JVC RS2 projector is on it's 1st bulb, I have the new Oppo BD player, and Avatar didn't blow my skirt up FX wise, I have no plans to upgrade everything to 3D capable until the projector breaks.
post #19 of 270
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Originally Posted by ezlotogura View Post

Please excuse my ignorance :-)

I was looking for HDMI 1.4 compliant receivers so I found this thread, but I saw the thread right above saying that there is now an HDMI 1.4a standard (cant post the link as I am new here, but it is in the same forum)

I was looking at getting the Panny VT25 and a matching receiver (maybe the Onkyo offerings). Do I need to wait until the receivers are 1.4a compliant?


Thanks!

Old expression . . . "To foretell the future - look back to the past"

Q. What is the difference between HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.3a, or 1.3b?

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For consumers, there is no difference between HDMI version 1.3 and 1.3a or 1.3b. These minor revisions to the specification typically relate to manufacturing or testing issues and do not impact features or functionality. In addition, HDMI Licensing, LLC is actively working with manufacturers to reduce confusion for consumers by de-emphasizing version numbers and focusing instead on product features and functionality.

For Adopters, the latest HDMI Specification is v1.3a and the latest HDMI Compliance Test Specification (CTS) is 1.3c.

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#112
post #20 of 270
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

Are we sure HDMI 1.4 is really necissary for 3D? Sony doesn't seem to think so, as their players are 1.3 spec, and they claim to output 3D 1080p 24hz.

I ask because I seriously wanna upgrade my receiver to the Denon 4310, and do not wanna wait for Denon to get off their arse and put one out in 6 months to a year. Considering my gorgeous JVC RS2 projector is on it's 1st bulb, I have the new Oppo BD player, and Avatar didn't blow my skirt up FX wise, I have no plans to upgrade everything to 3D capable until the projector breaks.

The bottom line?

3D is not part of the specifications for HDMI 1.3. It is part of the specifications of HDMI 1.4.

Whatever Sony is doing or anyone else is doing - those are the facts
post #21 of 270
I'm getting a new HDMI 1.4 receiver this summer and hope the Sony STR-DN1010 does SACD DSD too. Unfortunately, the press release doesn't mention it (not a good sign), the STR-DG920 I have doesn't have it and lately, only ES receivers have had it.

One thing not mentioned about about the STR-DN1010 is it's use of HDMI 1.4's audio return channel. In theory, with just one HDMI cable to the HDTV, over-the-air 5.1 surround programs will send the audio back to the receiver without the need of an optical cable. I'm still rocking an optical cable myself as I enjoy ota HD with surround. I have no problem letting it go.

The other models mentioned in the press release also have the audio return channel.
post #22 of 270
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

The bottom line?

3D is not part of the specifications for HDMI 1.3. It is part of the specifications of HDMI 1.4.

Whatever Sony is doing or anyone else is doing - those are the facts

Indeed. Also, Sony has been talking about how the PS3 3D firmware update will make use of and require HDMI 1.4.

I'm not sure what all the announcements around 3d in 1.3b were about, as it seems Sony isn't even going to do that.
post #23 of 270
So the PS3 will be able to update itself into HDMI 1.4? That's possible? Neat!
post #24 of 270
From Engadget:

Pioneer VSX-1020-K AV receiver with iPhone app up for pre-order

Amazon Product Link

By Joseph L. Flatley posted Mar 5th 2010 2:20PM



In the market for AV gear that "Works with iPhone?" Looks like Pioneer's trusty old VSX-1019AH (with its built-in iPod dock) just got a formidable ally in the form of the VSX-1020-K. This bad boy not only packs in the features you expect from an AV receiver (including connections for HD video, HD audio, wireless and analog components, 1080p video conversion and upscaling, support for 3D video and more) but the company throws in a free custom iPhone / iPod touch app for exploring your inner audiophile -- and getting your room to sound just so in the process. Up for pre-order now at Amazon for $549. Screenshots and further details after the break.



Product Features

* "Works with iPhone" certification (with free custom Pioneer iPhone app, downloaded separately) and front USB connectivity provide iPod, touch, and iPhone users ultimate plug-and-play integration of their Apple products with their home theater
* Simple connectivity of high-performance HD video, HD audio, portable, internet, wireless, and analog components makes this Pioneer receiver the ultimate A/V control center
* The latest version of HDMI inputs and outputs provide more HD connectivity options with "future-proof" 3-D capability
* 1080p video conversion and upscaling ensures the highest quality video from any source--even "legacy" analog and lower-resolution digital video sources
* High-Power Discrete Transistor (HPDT) multi-channel amplifiers and proprietary Pioneer room calibration technology combine to ensure best-in-class home theater and music reproduction in any home





Technical Specifications
# Channels: 7.1 surround sound
# Power: 110x7 watts
# HDMI Specification: v. 1.4, 3D, Deep Color and X.V. Color
# HDMI Ports: 6 in (including 1 front in), 1 out
# Component Ports: 2 in, 1 out
# Audio Codecs Supported: DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Pro Logic IIz with pre-out
# Video Modes Supported: 1080p and below
# Audio Modes Supported: Multi-zone (7.1, 5.1 + 2)
# Digital Formats Supported: JPEG, MP3, WAV, WMA
# "Works with iPhone"-certified
Product Description
Key Features are 110 Watts X 7, 7 Channel Configurable Amplifier, Surround Back. Dolby Pro-logic IIz or B Speaker, Dolby True-HD / DTS-HD Master Audio and Advanced MCACC. It has a 9 Band EQ. Auto Crossover Setting, USB to PC Graphs, PQLS – 2 Channel, Auto Level Control – Multi-Channel, Sound Retriever AIR – Multi- channel. It has a Internet radio. iPod Digital USB / USB Memory Audio. Its iPhone Certified, Sirius Satellite Radio, HDMI Repeater (6 In / 1 out), Analog to HDMI Video Conversion, HDMI to HDMI 1080p Scaler, Component Video (2 in / 1 out), Full Color GUI, iControl pioneer AVR iPhone / iTouch “APP” Multi-Zone A/V Pre-out, Preset Remote Control
post #25 of 270
Those iPhone/iPod controls, are they only active while plugged into the receiver or can they be used as another remote?
post #26 of 270
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Originally Posted by ckellyusa View Post

Those iPhone/iPod controls, are they only active while plugged into the receiver or can they be used as another remote?

If it's like the iPhone/iPod Touch app remotes (called BD Remote and also free) for the new Sony Blu-ray players, it will be over your Wi-Fi network. The Logitech TouchMouse app (wireless mouse pad and keyboard) works this way for any PC as well. I've used the TouchMouse for my HTPC and it works remarkable well and with better coverage that IR of course but RF too.

PS The VSX-1020K and VSX-1120K have ethernet inputs for on-line radio that will connect to your network. Once it is part of your network, any wireless part will allow the iPod/iPhone to be a wireless remote for them with a remote app (which Pioneer obviously has and appears to be a good one).

Update:

I just download the Pioneer iPhone/iPod remote app called iControlAVR version 2.0.0 14.5mb and it's pretty cool. I'm using the demo mode.

There's volume control for main, zone2, zone3 and they work like you think the would on a touch screen. Mute is easy to get to. There is quick access to the inputs and listen modes. There are even video tutorials. The balance is crazy, you hold the iPhone/iPod Touch horizontally and tilt it to move the blue circle Front, Back, Left and Right like a balance game.
post #27 of 270
Speaking of the Pioneer VSX-1120-K....

for a few dollars more...

Pioneer VSX-1120-K Audio Video Receiver

Amazon product page

Note: this one expressly says it has a HDMI 1.4 audio return channel, the 1020K might put it's descriptions are playing up the other features so much it may have got lost in the shuffle. I hope it has it.





Technical Specifications
# Channels: 7.1 surround sound
# Power: 120x7 per channel
# HDMI Specification: v. 1.4, 3D, Deep Color and X.V. Color
# HDMI Ports: 6 in (including 1 front in), 1 out
# Component Ports: 2 in, 1 out
# Audio Codecs Supported: DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Pro Logic IIz with pre-out, THX Select2 Plus
# Video Modes Supported: 1080p and below
# Audio Modes Supported: Multi-zone (7.1, 5.1 + 2)
# Digital Formats Supported: JPEG, MP3, WAV, WMA
# "Works with iPhone"-certified
Product Description
Key Features are I20 Watts x 7 – (20Hz – 20kHz @ 8 ohm w/ .08%THD) It has a 7 Channel Direct Energy Configurable Amplifier with Surround Back. Dolby Pro-logic IIz or B Speaker, THX Select 2 Plus Certified, Dolby True-HD / DTS-HD Master Audio, Advanced MCACC with 9 Band EQ , PQLS – Multi-Channel, Auto Level Control – Multi-Channel, Sound Retriever AIR – Multi- channel . It has a Internet Radio. It supports iPod Digital USB / USB Memory Audio, HDMI 1.4 (6 In / 2 out [typo on Amazon's site - it only has 1 output]), 3-D and Audio return Channel, Dual HDMI Output, front HDMi In Marvell I080p Video Scaler. Analog to HDMi Video Conversion. It has HDMI to HDMI 1080p Scaling. Component Video (2 in / 1 out). Full Color GUI. It has PC Control with Multi-Zone A/V Pre-out. 9.1 Channel Pre-outs, RS-232 & Detacheable Power and Learning Remote Control
post #28 of 270
I'm kind of intrigued by the 820K receiver. I have yet to purchase an HDMI receiver. My older one (Yamaha) has been working just fine. I am not buying a 3D HDTV, but would like to get a a new receiver and I know Pioneer makes a damn good product as everything I own from them still works flawlessly. Does anyone know this receiver has an audio delay settings of any sorts on it such as setting a 50ms delay or 100ms. Everything I have read about the 820 has said nothing about this and can't find any information on it.
post #29 of 270
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Originally Posted by DJ Matt View Post

Does anyone know this receiver has an audio delay settings of any sorts on it such as setting a 50ms delay or 100ms.

I'm sure it does, since setting delays for each speaker is a standard feature. It will be set in terms of distance in feet rather than time. I've just been reading the manual for the 1020, and in addition to entering distance or determining it automatically for each speaker, it also lets you match delays by ear, speaker by speaker.
post #30 of 270
Cool, sounds good. Might have to pick up the 820 when it comes out then, although I know nothing about adjusting anything by delay. I will definitely have to read the manual before setup if I do decide to get this receiver as I have not had any hands on experience with a new generation receiver.
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