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post #31 of 270
3/6/10 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by DJ Matt View Post

I will definitely have to read the manual before setup if I do decide to get this receiver as I have not had any hands on experience with a new generation receiver.

You won't really have to. The MCACC system does it all, to a reasonable first approximation, at any rate. Connect the microphone and tell the receiver to calibrate itself. Wait a few minutes until it's done. That's it.
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post #32 of 270
3/7/10 at 9:26pm
What speakers would you guys use with it.
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post #33 of 270
3/8/10 at 4:49pm
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What speakers would you guys use with it.

Good speakers. I don't believe there is any natural matching of receiver to speakers. Being a rather frugal person, I shop on my local craigslist and just buy what becomes available and has a good reputation.
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post #34 of 270
3/8/10 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

The bottom line?

3D is not part of the specifications for HDMI 1.3. It is part of the specifications of HDMI 1.4.

Whatever Sony is doing or anyone else is doing - those are the facts

These facts are further confused by the fact that some HDMI 1.3 chips are now claiming to be HDMI 1.4 chips. The Sil9233, which is inside a lot of current AV Receivers, is now HDMI 1.4 according to Silicon Image. Perhaps that means that they are not all that different.
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post #35 of 270
3/8/10 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

These facts are further confused by the fact that some HDMI 1.3 chips are now claiming to be HDMI 1.4 chips. The Sil9233, which is inside a lot of current AV Receivers, is now HDMI 1.4 according to Silicon Image. Perhaps that means that they are not all that different.

And they will work as is without a firmware upgrade? Is that the same as the SiI9233A?

SiI9233A 4 input HDMI 1.3 receiver

http://www.sequoia.co.uk/components/...p=682&fmt=grid
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post #36 of 270
3/8/10 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

These facts are further confused by the fact that some HDMI 1.3 chips are now claiming to be HDMI 1.4 chips. The Sil9233, which is inside a lot of current AV Receivers, is now HDMI 1.4 according to Silicon Image. Perhaps that means that they are not all that different.

There is a telling little fact in the data sheet that Lee posted:

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It integrates the Extended Display Identification Data (EDID) block, which is stored in embedded Non-Volatile Memory (NVM). This memory can be programmed at the time of manufacture using the local I2C bus, similar to how existing EEPROMs are programmed today.

A couple of points:
  1. It is easy for a manufacturer to update the EDID data on this chip. (doesn't require a new chip - just update the data).
  2. It is entirely possible that a manufacturer has uses a I2C bus and has a method to update that data. I'm not saying everyone using the chip has done this.............but it is possible.
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post #37 of 270
3/8/10 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

And they will work as is without a firmware upgrade? Is that the same as the SiI9233A?

SiI9233A 4 input HDMI 1.3 receiver

http://www.sequoia.co.uk/components/...p=682&fmt=grid

Just go straight to the source:
http://www.siliconimage.com/products...t.aspx?pid=122

By the way, the SiI9134 transmitter which is pictured in the block diagram as the output from the AV Receiver is only 1.3, but "supports 3D over HDMI in the HDMI 1.4 specification".

This sounds like an upgrade path to me for existing products.
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post #38 of 270
3/9/10 at 6:53am
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Onkyo AVRs, HTiBs Get HDMI 1.4

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Upper Saddle River, N.J. - Onkyo introduced its first three A/V receivers (AVRs) and first three home theater in a box (HTiB) systems with HDMI 1.4 connections that support 3D video and Audio Return Channel (ARC).

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The AVRs are the $299-suggested 5.1-channel TX-SR308, $399 7.1-channel TX-SR508, and $599 7.2-channel TX-SR608. The $299 model ships in March, and the other two ship in April. None are in the HT series of more broadly distributed AVRs.

http://www.twice.com/article/449834-...t_HDMI_1_4.php
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post #39 of 270
3/9/10 at 1:02pm
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Samsung puts price tags on its next receivers, soundbars and Blu-ray HTIB systems

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/09/s...dbars-and-blu/
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post #40 of 270
3/9/10 at 2:59pm
I've already upgraded my decision to get the 520 to the 820. I feel if I want 7.1 someday in the future, I'll be good to go, and with the Anchor Bay upscaling and the OSD...screw it. I want something I'll be happy with for a long, long time and that'll probably be it for me.

Unless somehow it's poorly reviewed, of course.
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post #41 of 270
3/10/10 at 8:06pm
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Samsung Announces Pricing and Availability of 2010 Line of PREMIUM av receiver LINEUP

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In addition, Samsung’s line of receivers comes with 4 HDMI Inputs and supports HDMI 1.4 for 3D as well as iPod/iPhone docks.

http://www.samsungusanews.com/2010/0...ceiver-lineup/
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post #42 of 270
3/11/10 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by mbrennem View Post

Strange specs. I don't understand how you can do ProLogic IIz on a 5.1 channel receiver that doesn't have outputs for the height channels?? I looked at the image of the back and there are no outputs for height channels that I can see.

EDIT: nevermind, there are preouts for extra channels, they are just hard to see.

What are height channels?

I only ask because my setup is 9 years old (5.1 but I also ran wires for 7.2 future upgrade ) and never heard the term height channels until recently.

PS: I'm In the process of upgrading my AVR and DVD player so I need to know as much as possible.

Thanks
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post #43 of 270
3/11/10 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Blue Rain View Post

What are height channels?

I only ask because my setup is 9 years old (5.1 but I also ran wires for 7.2 future upgrade ) and never heard the term height channels until recently.

PS: I'm In the process of upgrading my AVR and DVD player so I need to know as much as possible.

Thanks

Dolby - What is Dolby Pro Logic IIz?

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/unders...logic-iiz.html
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post #44 of 270
3/11/10 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Dolby - What is Dolby Pro Logic IIz?

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/unders...logic-iiz.html

OK I heard of DD PL llz and wasn't aware it was the same as Height Channel.

Thanks..my Denon 3802 needs to be upgraded but not before my 480p DVD player which I don't even use anymore as I use my XBOX FOR MOVIES.

Blu ray player then AVR.

Thanks again
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post #45 of 270
3/12/10 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

Are we sure HDMI 1.4 is really necissary for 3D? Sony doesn't seem to think so, as their players are 1.3 spec, and they claim to output 3D 1080p 24hz.

I ask because I seriously wanna upgrade my receiver to the Denon 4310, and do not wanna wait for Denon to get off their arse and put one out in 6 months to a year. Considering my gorgeous JVC RS2 projector is on it's 1st bulb, I have the new Oppo BD player, and Avatar didn't blow my skirt up FX wise, I have no plans to upgrade everything to 3D capable until the projector breaks.

It is from my understanding you do NOT need 1.4 for 3D.

according to Andy Parson of the BD


It's not required to use 1.4 as long as everything in the signal path is capable of handling the 3D payload. This means, for example, that HDMI 1.3a can be used if all components, including cables and HDMI switching devices (such as A/V receivers) are "High Speed HDMI
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post #46 of 270
3/12/10 at 11:23am
You only need HDMI 1.4 if you plan on using the Full 3D capability of the new BLU-Ray 3D disks which require the packed buffer resolutions only aviailable with HDMI 1.4 chips. Other 3d formats supported by the new 3D HDTVs can have the content sent them with HDMI 1.3 chips.
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post #47 of 270
3/14/10 at 10:29am
Is the Audio Return Channel a 1.4 only feature? Does this indicate that this receiver is 1.4(?):

(from Sony's product page)
Audio Return Channel
Eliminate the need for extra cables connected to your TV. This feature allows audio to be sent from your compatible TV to your receiver through the same HDMI cable already being used to send audio and video to your TV.4

I couldn't find anything that actually said "HDMI 1.4".

This receiver is selling for $330 at Newegg (according to hot-deals.org). It probably wouldn't satisfy your average AVSForum reader, but I thought I'd throw it out there, if it is a 1.4 unit.

BTW, thanks for this thread. I've been looking at it daily for weeks now as I'll be forced to replace my receiver pretty soon.
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post #48 of 270
3/14/10 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Steel69 View Post

Is the Audio Return Channel a 1.4 only feature? Does this indicate that this receiver is 1.4(?):

(from Sony's product page)
Audio Return Channel
Eliminate the need for extra cables connected to your TV. This feature allows audio to be sent from your compatible TV to your receiver through the same HDMI™ cable already being used to send audio and video to your TV.4

I couldn't find anything that actually said "HDMI 1.4".

This receiver is selling for $330 at Newegg (according to hot-deals.org). It probably wouldn't satisfy your average AVSForum reader, but I thought I'd throw it out there, if it is a 1.4 unit.

BTW, thanks for this thread. I've been looking at it daily for weeks now as I'll be forced to replace my receiver pretty soon.

Yes the ARC is part of the 1.4 specs:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdm...i_1_4_faq.aspx

The new Sony receivers and their specs:

http://gizmodo.com/5474837/sonys-fir...1010-costs-500
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post #49 of 270
3/14/10 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by Steel69 View Post

I couldn't find anything that actually said "HDMI 1.4".

This Cnet review gives "4 HDMI 1.4 inputs" as a step up feature of the dn1010, and clearly implies that the dh810 does not have HDMI 1.4.
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post #50 of 270
3/16/10 at 3:53am
Anyone know if Denon or Onkyo will release any of their higher end receivers this year with 1.4 ?
So far everything announced is on the low/mid side. I am looking for a 7.1 or 9.1 receiver with at least 140W/ch .

I assume this is on purpose so users purchase their existing stock
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post #51 of 270
3/16/10 at 4:20pm
I received an email back from Yamaha today and they mentioned that they will have HDMI 1.4 Capable receivers released by September. News of this will be released soon. So thats good news



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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

Anyone know if Denon or Onkyo will release any of their higher end receivers this year with 1.4 ?
So far everything announced is on the low/mid side. I am looking for a 7.1 or 9.1 receiver with at least 140W/ch .

I assume this is on purpose so users purchase their existing stock
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post #52 of 270
3/16/10 at 4:48pm
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Originally Posted by samendolaro View Post

I received an email back from Yamaha today and they mentioned that they will have HDMI 1.4 Capable receivers released by September. News of this will be released soon. So that's good news

September 2010 will be just about two years since the 1900/3900 line was announced near CEDIA 2008.

And hopefully Yamaha will announce replacements for the x65 series at the same time, or at least by Black Friday 2010 (somewhat before the x65 line's two year 'anniversary' around CES in January 2011).
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post #53 of 270
3/17/10 at 6:27am
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Onkyo Unveils First THX-Cert 3D AVR

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March 16, 2010 — Onkyo has introduced what it describes as the world's first THX-certified 3D-ready a/v receiver.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/news/031610onkyo/
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post #54 of 270
3/17/10 at 6:41am
^^^^
The Onkyo 608 may be Onkyo's first THX-certified 3D-ready receiver. The Pioneer 1120 is THX-Select 2+ certified and was up on Amazon for pre-order around March 5th along with the 1020 (not THX certified).
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post #55 of 270
3/17/10 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by ezlotogura View Post

I was looking for HDMI 1.4 compliant receivers so I found this thread, but I saw the thread right above saying that there is now an HDMI 1.4a standard

Do I need to wait until the receivers are 1.4a compliant?

You probably won't have to wait. The challenges for the receivers are the new HDMI InfoFrames, the EDID tags for 3D and the "Frame Packing" timings. All of which have been specified in HDMI 1.4

HDMI 1.4a added some more mandatory 3D formats, but they use timings that are compatible with the 2D formats. The extensions to the EDID tags and the InfoFrame content are mostly within the limits specified by 1.4. If the receiver just passes through all the 3D tags from the display's EDID, and also passes through the HDMI InfoFrames from the player to the TV, without making any changes, then the receiver would work for both, HDMI 1.4 and 1.4a.

In the worst case, the 1.4 receiver would not understand the new 1.4a top-bottom format tags and will ignore them. This still allows you to play 3D blu-rays in frame packing modes. You only might have problems with set top boxes that try to to top-and-bottom, and maybe also side-by-side.
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post #56 of 270
3/17/10 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by scarabaeus View Post

You probably won't have to wait. The challenges for the receivers are the new HDMI InfoFrames, the EDID tags for 3D and the "Frame Packing" timings. All of which have been specified in HDMI 1.4

HDMI 1.4a added some more mandatory 3D formats, but they use timings that are compatible with the 2D formats. The extensions to the EDID tags and the InfoFrame content are mostly within the limits specified by 1.4. If the receiver just passes through all the 3D tags from the display's EDID, and also passes through the HDMI InfoFrames from the player to the TV, without making any changes, then the receiver would work for both, HDMI 1.4 and 1.4a.

In the worst case, the 1.4 receiver would not understand the new 1.4a top-bottom format tags and will ignore them. This still allows you to play 3D blu-rays in frame packing modes. You only might have problems with set top boxes that try to to top-and-bottom, and maybe also side-by-side.

What are HDMI InfoFrames?
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post #57 of 270
3/17/10 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

What are HDMI InfoFrames?

That is a data block, sent by the player to indicate the 3D format of the current video signal. This did not exist before HDMI 1.4, and does not have to be sent for 2D signals. The TV uses this to automatically enable the 3D presentation of a 3D signal.

It is defined in section 8.2.3, "HDMI Vendor Specific InfoFrame" of the HDMI 1.4a spec (in the publicly available 3D extraction as well)

Before this, only the "AVI InfoFrame", defined by the CEA 861 spec, was used to convey the meta data of the video signal. Since CEA and HDMI are different organisations, HDMI could not add the 3D tagging to the AVI InfoFrames. So, they created their own custom InfoFrame and are sending that alongside the AVI.

It will also be used for the 4K video modes, which as well are specified by HDMI and not by CEA.
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post #58 of 270
3/17/10 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by scarabaeus View Post

That is a data block, sent by the player to indicate the 3D format of the current video signal. This did not exist before HDMI 1.4, and does not have to be sent for 2D signals. The TV uses this to automatically enable the 3D presentation of a 3D signal.

It is defined in section 8.2.3, "HDMI Vendor Specific InfoFrame" of the HDMI 1.4a spec (in the publicly available 3D extraction as well)

Before this, only the "AVI InfoFrame", defined by the CEA 861 spec, was used to convey the meta data of the video signal. Since CEA and HDMI are different organisations, HDMI could not add the 3D tagging to the AVI InfoFrames. So, they created their own custom InfoFrame and are sending that alongside the AVI.

It will also be used for the 4K video modes, which as well are specified by HDMI and not by CEA.

Thank you.
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post #59 of 270
3/17/10 at 2:42pm
If anybody wants to download the 3D part of the HDMI 1.4 spec without going through the stupid registration process, I found a link to the PDF here.
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post #60 of 270
3/17/10 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by scarabaeus View Post

In the worst case, the 1.4 receiver would not understand the new 1.4a top-bottom format tags and will ignore them. This still allows you to play 3D blu-rays in frame packing modes. You only might have problems with set top boxes that try to to top-and-bottom, and maybe also side-by-side.

That's a pretty bad worst case, for me. When I do get a 3D TV, I'm surely going to want to watch DirecTV's 3D channels. If anyone finds out definitely whether the HDMI 1.4 receivers will also work for 1.4a, I hope they will post here.
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