Samsung PNXXc450 Owners Thread *NO PRICE TALK* - Page 8

Picked up the 50C450 today from BB.....Wow....Picture looks great right out of the box....I sit about 10' away and I hear no buzz and see no lines...No phosphor lag on xbox 360 (that I can see) and HD DirectTV looks great as well.....SD stuff doesn't look to hot, but thats to be expected on a 50" screen...I have a Harmony remote and it did not recognize the C450 model so I used the settings for the B450 and everything seems to be working fine. I can't believe I was even considering getting an LCD....This TV rocks.

Ok, I went to Bestbuy to compare the 50 inch 720p sets which included the new Samsung PN50C450 and the Panasonic TC-P50C2, they were both on sale and priced the same. The sets were located above and below each other and I was able to look at them for over twenty minutes. It was quite apparent that the Panasonic had a softer and less detailed picture output compared to the Samsung. Also, there was more noise with the Panasonic, but the differences were slight. Overall, I would say the Samsung had a more pleasing picture with its increased sharpness which translated into more detail and slightly more vibrant output. I was kind of surprised that the Samsung had the better picture because I kept hearing how everyone raves about the picture quality of the Panasonic Plasma sets. Also, I placed my ear next to the Samsung and I heard nothing above the ambient noise in the store. Sitting next to the 720P Samsung was the 1080P Samsung PN50C550G1F and in my opinion there wasn't a significant difference between the two Samsung units. The 1080P Samsung had a slightly smoother output and it was more noticeable on facial features. The difference was minute, and I would not spend the extra $450 for the greater resolution. I was standing about 10 feet away from both sets. Bestbuy was completely out of stock of the 720p Samsung so I went over to Sears to check on availability. While I was at Sears, I was able to compare the 720p Samsung to the 720p LG50PJ350 set which were sitting next to each other. The LG definitely had a softer output compared to the Samsung and was less vibrant, although the LG did have an amazingly thin profile. The sales guy kept pushing the LG over the Samsung because of the swivel base and the thin profile. I placed my ear next to the Samsung and heard absolutely nothing. Sears had their Family and Friends discount tonight which discounted the price an extra 10%. I purchase the Samsung PN50C450 and the final price was $45 less than Best Buy. The set is supposed to be in on Wednesday for me to pickup. I used my Costco American Express card because I seemed to recall if you use their card they will cover warranties for an extra year. I think this is the case at Costco, is this true in general?

I'm glad I'm not a gamer...had my set for about 1.5weeks now and have not seen any signs of IR. I was running my settings low for the first few days but for the past week or so I have had them similar to other settings posted here.

PQ is really good (42C450) but does anyone know a way to get rid of the jaggies?

Is it easier to use the settings that are default, on here or to buy a calibration disc?

Has anyone tried this?
http://www.hometheatermag.com/advice...erts/407cali/#

I'm going to go check out the TV today and I'll see how it compares to the PNB650. I'll probably pick up today and I'll see if I like it.

These settings came from a Calibrated B450. i used it on the C450 and it looked awesome. all i did was put energy save on either off or medium but original settings is off.

I've noticed this too, but usually only when watching something on TV right before the commercial breaks start. Haven't figured out if its related to a power saving mode, cell light setting, etc...or if its inherent with the TV. It doesn't bother me when going to commercials and such, but it would certainly irk me if I would see it happen on my blu rays...haven't yet.

can anyone check to see if there is a 3D sync out on this TV?

I don't see a 3D-sync out on my 50"

For those interested:

This works:
With the set ON, press Power-Mute-1-8-2-Power in quick succession.
If the set is already off, press Mute-1-8-2-Power.

Still haven't figured out how to turn off the melody or even change it from medium

Any ideas?

Hmmm...do I upgrade to a C450 or do I buy a B450

I just got this swivel stand today and it is a cheap alternative to those tv's who give a swivel stand with the set (like my old LG50pq30)

Sanus Systems TV27 TV Turntable (Black, 27 Inch)
Less than $32.61 on Amazon - free shipping.

This can help swivel your tv away from a bright window right behind you. At least that's what I'm using it for here.

Hope this can help someone.

for some reason I must agree that the B450 is a better TV than the C450.

it was so obvious to me in the store and Best Buy.

both 50 inchers and side by side.

put it this way.... there is now way you can say the C450 is a better TV than the B450.

I wish I could of had the remotes to adjust the settings.... maybe next time I visit. Oh.... and the 3D Samung LED LCD Demo showed how much better the Plasma TV's are for showing 3D because the Samsung LED 3D looks like garbage.

I would upgrade your TV later to 3D when they get the price down and have it mastered. I don't think current models are going to give you the same kind of 3d as the true 3d sets. The B450 does something called stereoscopic-3D which my understanding isn't the same thing? Get the c450.

Purchased the pn50c450 last week at Best Buy. I'll give a quick run over my thoughts and touch upon some of the main concerns I'm seeing on the board.

There is a "screen door effect" at close viewing, no question. I step back to 6-8 feet and I can't see it. I view from 10-12 feet in my den normally. I do wear eye glasses; my eyesight is not 20/20, but I can't imagine SDE on this set will be a problem at normal viewing distances for the vast majority of people.

Picture is top notch in my opinion for this price range. Picture adjustments are robust (white balance, gamma, cell lighting, black level adjustments). I'm not sure what is typical on higher end sets, but there are plenty of picture tweaks for my taste. Best Buy had the Samsung 1080p step up model side with the c450 and I could not see justification for the price difference with regards to picture quality, albeit comparisons were done on in-store settings. I could tell at 6 feet and less that lettering on the 1080 set had a smoother edge. Take a step or two back and the difference was virtually imperceptible. I'm not sure what additional feature set you get with the step up model, other than 1080p. I believe the price difference was near $500. Not worth it IMO.

My set does "buzz", slightly. You can hear it on mute if you put your ear up to the TV; at 6-8 feet, it disappears to my ear. It is not by any means bothersome to me. I would classify it as typical electronics noise, nothing more.

Stand does not swivel, and TV is not particularly sturdy (wobbles at slightest touch). It is not unsturdy to the point I worry about tipping, but with a 1 year old, I keep her away (not that I wouldn't anyway). It comes with a cord you can fasten to the TV and attach to the wall (which I have not done). Screws that attach the stand are difficult to line up and don't want to go in. I had this problem in set up, and have seen several other reviews that noted the same thing. Stand is not a long term issue, however, as it will be mounted on my wall shortly.

Screen is very reflective IMO. Not mirror like, but close. The 1080p set looked to have less reflection in the store than the 720p. My den has below average sunlight, so it is not a huge problem for me. All the light comes from behind the TV, but I still get some reflection during the day. If you have a windows across from your set or your room gets alot of light, you may want to look elsewhere.

Remote is not very responsive. Have to point it directly at the TV. Not backlit, but didn't expect it to be at this price range.

Despite some qualms, I am very satisfied with the set, other than one flaw which I hope is not a widespread problem with the model. While watching hours of NCAA bball this past weekend on CBS, I noticed frequent judder in commercials and periodically in live action. It was easy to notice in the commercials, as they repeat the same commercials over and over, and it would judder (looks like a frame skip) in the same place every time they aired. I have noticed this on both CBS and NBC broadcasts, but have not had one problem on Fox or ABC. I receive over the air signals with an antenna, but it is not a signal issue. The commercials are the easiest comparison, because certain ones judder in the same spot everytime on CBS and NBC, but are smooth on Fox and ABC. CBS and NBC both broadcast in 1080i, while Fox and ABC broadcast in 720p. Could the scaling mechanism in my set be defective? It doesn't appear to be handling the 1080i signal well. Has anyone else had a problem? I've posted this on other sites and have had no feedback. Best Buy and Samsung were no help. I'm leaning towards returning it for another set, and would like to get another C450. I just don't want to get another one home and have the same problem again. Feedback is much appreciated. Thanks.

the C450/B450 demo at BB clearly showed that the B450 is a much better TV.

so there is now way I would ever recommend a C450 until an EXPERT does a side by side review.

I'm guessing this is largely due to the new Energy Star 4.0 (instead of 3.0 on the b450) status the c450 has aquired. I'm led to believe this even moreso because you also mentioned that it was at BB, which has a very bright showroom floor to show off the LCDs. I think the set is still plenty bright - I get a good amount of sunlight in my room and I still keep my cell light somewhere around 8...At night or a dark room I often end up throwing power saving mode on as well because sometimes it seems a little too bright.

Also, the new TV may have its settings dimmer on default than the b450 as well. I was pretty surprised when I first turned on my c450 after auto programming channels and it had the cell light defaulted at "5" instead of "10".

Didn't notice this on OTA material myself, but during "The Dark Knight" on Blu-Ray I see flicker/judder during the full-screen slow camera pans (of buildings and over the city). This is connected through HDMI so I'm getting a 1080p signal, not a 1080i.

What is the difference(s) between a PN42B450 and the PN42C450? I bought my in-laws the "B" and other than the stand being different I see nothing else.

hey pendragon i have a little situation here. ive been researching plasmas since i happen to be moving this weekend. i was interested in the c450 and i was ready to pull the trigger. then i came across this forum and saw your post about burn in from playing final fantasy 13. now im am all freaked out about making the purchase cause i happen to be playin this game right now ( hour 15) i was anticipating playing it on this 50 inch plasma after moving. but now i am to paranoid to make the purchase. i am not a picture fanatic i just want decent picture and large size. but since i play a lot of 360 this whole burn in thing has got me spooked. should i just go for it? or should i go with the panasonic of similar class? is there a way to prevent that burn in from happening? if i do make the purchase i will post feedback. i just really want your opinion on it first since you have it already. as an average tv person but constant gamer will this tv work for me? and how bad is the flickering blacks you were talking about on the all blank screen? is it so obvious that the average person would notice it and think ( this tv is cheap)? or is it just noticed by the people who have a better understanding of how these tvs should operate. i know i am ranting a little bit. its just that before i did this research i would have been happy with any cheap 50 inch plasma purchase like the x1 our 450. but as i learn more about it i am second guessing everything.. should i pull the trigger on the c450?

p.s. is this game ever gonna let me choose my party memebers?

Pen, do you happen to have a copy of The Dark Knight on Blu Ray? I've noticed flicker/judder during some of the fullscreen panning shots and I'm trying to figure out if its a result of poor 3:2 pulldown, some software/firmware problem with the c450s, or if thats just how the movie shows with most HDTVs at 24fps.